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counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.
Maybe instead of viewing your relationship with your church and it's god as a parent/child thing, it's more of an abusive spouse thing. Just keep crawling back and making excuses for them, sure.

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Deadbeat Poetry
Mar 6, 2004

Sorry if my costume scared you
God is real and doesnt owe you poo poo; people are garbage and are the reason this dumb gay earth sucks

any other questions op

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

Deadbeat Poetry posted:

God is real and doesnt owe you poo poo; people are garbage and are the reason this dumb gay earth sucks

any other questions op

can you imagine how much worse people would be if there wasn't a threat of an eternal cavern of fire lmao

Saint Drogo
Dec 26, 2011

Away all Goats posted:

can you imagine how much worse people would be if there wasn't a threat of an eternal cavern of fire lmao
threatening people with an eternal cavern of fire for not being in your gang is p much humanity at its worst in itself though. just removing that (or the underlying twatty impulses that give rise to it) would even the scales a little.

imagine having genuine influence over someone's beliefs about reality and telling them that lol.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Away all Goats posted:

can you imagine how much worse people would be if there wasn't a threat of an eternal cavern of fire lmao

Literally no one considers this when they're doing bad. That's just a post hoc rationalization

OMFG FURRY
Jul 10, 2006

[snarky comment]

Away all Goats posted:

can you imagine how much worse people would be if there wasn't a threat of an eternal cavern of fire lmao

can you imagine how many people wouldn't do what you say if there wasn't a threat of an eternal cavern of fire lmao

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
I mean if nothing else is true it's self evident that the existential threat of eternal torture doesn't even prevent monstrous crimes from the most devout believers... Priest are loving kids all the time

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

I'm not saying it works for everybody, but it does work sometimes

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth
It literally never works

Gaunab
Feb 13, 2012
LUFTHANSA YOU FUCKING DICKWEASEL
Jesus was a socialist

Literally A Person
Jan 1, 1970

Smugworth Wuz Here
Jesus would have been cooler if he had a jetpack.

I mean, just saying.

5er
Jun 1, 2000

Qapla' to a true warrior! :patriot:

Ocean Book posted:

are there any other sensible reasons why a world would be intentionally created?

Think of it this way. The concepts of 'creation', and 'intent', don't really apply to the actual functioning of the known universe. People live finite lives, and can't conceptualize past that, so they put these contained notions on the surrounding universe, because that relates to the duration of human life, and other life on earth as we know it too.
Try to suggest to a person that perhaps we don't know and we can't say we know right now, and most people will go so poo poo-and-fuckless horrified by that idea that they will band together, shriek heresy, and kill you over it, and burn anything you've ever written to try and erase your mark and impression from history.

counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.

5er posted:

Think of it this way. The concepts of 'creation', and 'intent', don't really apply to the actual functioning of the known universe. People live finite lives, and can't conceptualize past that, so they put these contained notions on the surrounding universe, because that relates to the duration of human life, and other life on earth as we know it too.
Try to suggest to a person that perhaps we don't know and we can't say we know right now, and most people will go so poo poo-and-fuckless horrified by that idea that they will band together, shriek heresy, and kill you over it, and burn anything you've ever written to try and erase your mark and impression from history.

Actually telling people that god is beyond their understanding and that they should stop asking questions and just go along with what they're told is one of the key points that religions like to make, and one of the things they'll eagerly burn you at the stake for disagreeing with.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
The gently caress's a God?

Lamebot
Sep 8, 2005

ロボ顔菌~♡
god is the ecstasy i get from orgasming

cardiacarrest123
Apr 10, 2016
If god is everywhere does that mean his mouth is wrapped around my cock right now

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Lamebot posted:

god is the ecstasy i get from orgasming

Not real then

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon

Lamebot posted:

god is the ecstasy i get from orgasming

Actually your foul Sorcery is nothing like god, who looks down upon wizards.

Ocean Book
Sep 27, 2010

:yum: - hi

5er posted:

Think of it this way. The concepts of 'creation', and 'intent', don't really apply to the actual functioning of the known universe. People live finite lives, and can't conceptualize past that, so they put these contained notions on the surrounding universe, because that relates to the duration of human life, and other life on earth as we know it too.
Try to suggest to a person that perhaps we don't know and we can't say we know right now, and most people will go so poo poo-and-fuckless horrified by that idea that they will band together, shriek heresy, and kill you over it, and burn anything you've ever written to try and erase your mark and impression from history.

if god has will, knowledge, and the ability to choose between actions, then necessarily god will choose actions based upon reasons, guided by their will and knowledge..

it is possible that god doesn't have all of these things, but that would be more of a blind idiot god than a divine agent.

5er
Jun 1, 2000

Qapla' to a true warrior! :patriot:

Ocean Book posted:

if god has will, knowledge, and the ability to choose between actions, then necessarily god will choose actions based upon reasons, guided by their will and knowledge..

it is possible that god doesn't have all of these things, but that would be more of a blind idiot god than a divine agent.

Or you're so drat desperate for some anthropomorphic superbeing that promises you affection and afterlife that you'll go to any length to preserve the hosed up logic that lets that poo poo exist for you.

Telebite
Aug 23, 2018

Jain texts reject the idea of a creator, ruler or destroyer god and postulate an eternal universe. However, Jainism believes in the world of gods and hell beings who are born, and who die to be reborn like living beings in the earthly realm of existence. Those souls who live in the body of a god do so because of their positive karma. They have a metamorphic body, that is they are believed in Jain thought to be able to change their body at will. The gods live a life of happiness, fun and frolic, whose wishes are automatically fulfilled. They also possess a more transcendent knowledge about material things and can anticipate events in the human realms. However, once their past karmic merit is exhausted, the souls leave the "god body" and are reborn again as humans, animals or other beings.



Three dots on top = three jewels mentioned in ancient texts = correct faith, correct understanding, and correct conduct.

Four arms = four realms of existence in which rebirth occurs according to Jainism: humans, heavenly beings, hellish beings and non-humans (plants and animals).

old beast lunatic
Nov 3, 2004

by Hand Knit
god is definitely not real you idiots

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Seriously though, it was definitely aliens

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
Alien gods who came on great burning sky chariots and fought great battles on earth's plains.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
god sucks rear end and also doesn't exist

old beast lunatic
Nov 3, 2004

by Hand Knit
I know some god havers. They're retards. I wouldn't think too hard about god.

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

old beast lunatic posted:

god is definitely not real you idiots

He's real, I saw him bussin' nutskis at the Royal Farms.

old beast lunatic
Nov 3, 2004

by Hand Knit
dog is a much better use of the three letters

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

cardiacarrest123 posted:

If god is everywhere does that mean his mouth is wrapped around my cock right now

it means your cock IS God

old beast lunatic
Nov 3, 2004

by Hand Knit
Show me your god bitch. Where is he? huh? h uh? Oh you can't. That's what I thought. owned. :smug:

reignofevil
Nov 7, 2008
God bless america?


I say God drat america!

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

cardiacarrest123 posted:

If god is everywhere does that mean his mouth is wrapped around my cock right now

Yes, consequently your mouth is also around his cock

Pitdragon
Jan 20, 2004
Just another lurker
IS GOD A SOUL-EATER?????

CozySoul of God and Science.org posted:

I know that subject title sounds ridiculous, but please let me explain.

My boyfriend came home from work today and told me about a conversation he had with a Satanist coworker.
He said that the coworker expressed his religious point of view and it goes like this:

He believes that Satan is a justified rebel. He believes that God makes souls so that he can consume them and the sense of peace and feeling of being content that near death experiencers claim to experience in God's presence is similar to the same tactic that certain predators use to subdue prey. He believes that we are being raised like "lambs to the slaughter" and so I suppose they view Satan as their knight in shining armor. He doesn't view God as the creator but just as a powerful being.

The problem I'm having is that I have no good, compelling argument against this theory. I have nothing to disprove it. I haven't been on this forum in years but this is bothering me greatly.
I believe this theory is an assumption based on word choices in the Bible, among other things, but I just can't think of anything that disproves this theory as a possibility, and this is troublesome.

I argued that angels would have told us.
My boyfriend argued that they are either afraid or are just an extension of God himself, like a lure or puppet, and that a Satanist would point at the fallen angels.

I argued that such an elaborate creation such as this universe and life and such wouldn't be necessary to serve that purpose.
My boyfriend argued that maybe experiences enhance the "flavor" of souls.

It all seems very ridiculous, yet I'm disturbed by it. I've prayed for guidance. I'm hoping one of you will know something that I don't and will be able to help. Thank you.

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Ocean Book
Sep 27, 2010

:yum: - hi

5er posted:

Or you're so drat desperate for some anthropomorphic superbeing that promises you affection and afterlife that you'll go to any length to preserve the hosed up logic that lets that poo poo exist for you.

yes for affection, but i dont believe in an afterlife. god loves humans and doesnt make us suffer for eternity (see buddha regarding existence and suffering).

to me its more fun to imagine that there is a god that enjoys when i live my life well and is disappointed when i dont. if it turns out not to be the case thatll be fine too, im an adult. and when it really matters ill also be dead.

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