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littleorv posted:I will be voting for the NDP this upcoming election and I'm a far right nationalist Maybe reconsider voting for the Nazi Deutschland Partei.
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Man catching up with family has been wild. So far I learned my dad sold insurance to the former mayor of Eckville in the 80s, James Keegstra noted anti-semite former teacher and how the Jewish Defence League stood outside his property waiting to rightfully fracture Keegstra's skull. Also heard another Ralph Klein is drunk story, this time that he was passed out drunk at an alcoholic relatives funeral during the service, both of them frequented the same Calgary bar. Then in more recent news I had a teacher (decent person) who is a family member of the current education minister (lord howdy she and most of her family sucks) and that my stepdad has gotten into arguments and fights with her in public before about the Catholic school board. Also my mom is seriously considering the possibility of striking for the first time in her 30 odd year career as a teacher because of how scared she is of the UCP, and my stepdad is suggesting they do it with the nurses union. Now I'm gonna go check in on my Alex Jones conspiracy theorist sister in Calgary. Alberta!
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Aug 24, 2019 03:12
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Weird BIAS posted:Man catching up with family has been wild. So far I learned my dad sold insurance to the former mayor of Eckville in the 80s, James Keegstra noted anti-semite former teacher and how the Jewish Defence League stood outside his property waiting to rightfully fracture Keegstra's skull. Also heard another Ralph Klein is drunk story, this time that he was passed out drunk at an alcoholic relatives funeral during the service, both of them frequented the same Calgary bar. Then in more recent news I had a teacher (decent person) who is a family member of the current education minister (lord howdy she and most of her family sucks) and that my stepdad has gotten into arguments and fights with her in public before about the Catholic school board. Also my mom is seriously considering the possibility of striking for the first time in her 30 odd year career as a teacher because of how scared she is of the UCP, and my stepdad is suggesting they do it with the nurses union. The CanCon version of the Aristocrats joke is weird but I'm digging it.
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Weird BIAS posted:Also my mom is seriously considering the possibility of striking for the first time in her 30 odd year career as a teacher because of how scared she is of the UCP, and my stepdad is suggesting they do it with the nurses union.
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Aug 24, 2019 05:01
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Pallister going full Trump it seems. "That loving indian grew up with indoor plumbing!!" https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/pallister-kinew-benefits-comment-1.5258179?cmp=rss quote:Claims by Progressive Conservative Leader Brian Pallister that he grew up poorer than his NDP rival are being called "offensive" by an Indigenous leader, and will only draw attention to Pallister's frequent jaunts to Costa Rica, says a political scientist.
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Aug 24, 2019 05:17
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Weird BIAS posted:Man catching up with family has been wild. So far I learned my dad sold insurance to the former mayor of Eckville in the 80s, James Keegstra noted anti-semite former teacher and how the Jewish Defence League stood outside his property waiting to rightfully fracture Keegstra's skull. Also heard another Ralph Klein is drunk story, this time that he was passed out drunk at an alcoholic relatives funeral during the service, both of them frequented the same Calgary bar. Then in more recent news I had a teacher (decent person) who is a family member of the current education minister (lord howdy she and most of her family sucks) and that my stepdad has gotten into arguments and fights with her in public before about the Catholic school board. Also my mom is seriously considering the possibility of striking for the first time in her 30 odd year career as a teacher because of how scared she is of the UCP, and my stepdad is suggesting they do it with the nurses union. I feel for you. I'm kinda in the same boat. I'm laid off for the time being (building trades SUCK with the economy at this point,) my brother in law was an accountant with Capital Health at the Royal Alex but he's been let go due to "uncertainty." My sister meanwhile is a principal with a Charter school that works with a local Tribal Band, and she's been cursing the misbegotten name of Kenney and the reactionary assholes who voted him in. My mom's retired, but was a nurse for decades, and we all remember the Bad Old Days of BC under Van Der Zalm: rolling strikes as far as the eyes can see. With my older relatives retired we're all on pins and needles at this point. I'm fortunate almost no one in my family is truly Conservative, aside from my Dad who's a true Blue Tory from all the way back to the 70's at least. He still rants about Pierre Trudeau when the mood strikes. I don't want to have to cut friends or family off because of politics, but it's basic survival at this point.
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Aug 24, 2019 05:56
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just another posted:I think it would be very good if the Ontario, Alberta and BC teachers unions all went on strike. Saskatchewan teachers may also go on strike. And possibly SaskTel and the other Crowns. Casino Regina workers already voted to strike.
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Aug 24, 2019 07:45
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My buddy more up to date on BCTF news said the BCTF leadership promised not to strike. Is that true cause if so talk about shooting your self in the foot.
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Aug 24, 2019 13:10
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just another posted:I think it would be very good if the Ontario, Alberta and BC teachers unions all went on strike. And then Kenney and Ford will ram through a back to work legislation
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Aug 24, 2019 14:52
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Hi everyone I'm working on the election OP right now and I would like people to suggest some of the big things Trudeau has done or not done that might be important in the upcoming election. Topics I've already covered are: electoral reform, marijuana legalization, weapons sales to dictatorships, carbon tax, pipelines, SNC-Lavalin. What am I forgetting?
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Aug 24, 2019 15:35
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vyelkin posted:Hi everyone I'm working on the election OP right now and I would like people to suggest some of the big things Trudeau has done or not done that might be important in the upcoming election. Topics I've already covered are: electoral reform, marijuana legalization, weapons sales to dictatorships, carbon tax, pipelines, SNC-Lavalin. What am I forgetting? First Nations reconciliation, or lack thereof.
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Aug 24, 2019 15:38
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Middle class tax cut, mmiwg
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Aug 24, 2019 15:38
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Lars Blitzer posted:I feel for you. I'm kinda in the same boat. I'm laid off for the time being (building trades SUCK with the economy at this point,) my brother in law was an accountant with Capital Health at the Royal Alex but he's been let go due to "uncertainty." My sister meanwhile is a principal with a Charter school that works with a local Tribal Band, and she's been cursing the misbegotten name of Kenney and the reactionary assholes who voted him in. My mom's retired, but was a nurse for decades, and we all remember the Bad Old Days of BC under Van Der Zalm: rolling strikes as far as the eyes can see. With my older relatives retired we're all on pins and needles at this point. I'm fortunate almost no one in my family is truly Conservative, aside from my Dad who's a true Blue Tory from all the way back to the 70's at least. He still rants about Pierre Trudeau when the mood strikes. I don't want to have to cut friends or family off because of politics, but it's basic survival at this point. Why is it basic survival to cut off friends and family because of politics? I have heard this from others, but have never understood it. If I cut off every member of my family that felt differently from me politically, I would never speak to the majority of them. That sounds like a tremendous waste to me.
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Aug 24, 2019 15:40
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Entorwellian posted:First Nations reconciliation, or lack thereof. Yes, there will be something on First Nations stuff, I'm just waiting for a poster who kindly offered to do a writeup on that so I can copy/paste their research. Also still need a thread title, best I've got so far is Dehumanize yourself and face to the 2019 Canadian federal election
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Aug 24, 2019 15:46
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vyelkin posted:Hi everyone I'm working on the election OP right now and I would like people to suggest some of the big things Trudeau has done or not done that might be important in the upcoming election. Topics I've already covered are: electoral reform, marijuana legalization, weapons sales to dictatorships, carbon tax, pipelines, SNC-Lavalin. What am I forgetting?
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Aug 24, 2019 15:47
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vyelkin posted:Hi everyone I'm working on the election OP right now and I would like people to suggest some of the big things Trudeau has done or not done that might be important in the upcoming election. Topics I've already covered are: electoral reform, marijuana legalization, weapons sales to dictatorships, carbon tax, pipelines, SNC-Lavalin. What am I forgetting? Canada Child Benefit is pretty huge, like massive huge, for poor/lower middle class people with kids. They basically pay zero tax net of benefits now even if they did pay tax before, getting far more money than under previous regime until incomes are > 160k or so. Putting stake through heart of small business income splitting. Edit: I guess they also did the father-only parental leave to reduce discrimination against women plus 18 month thing to try and alleviate problem of finding childcare for <18mo kids. James Baud fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Aug 24, 2019 |
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Aug 24, 2019 15:48
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vyelkin posted:Also still need a thread title, best I've got so far is Dehumanize yourself and face to the 2019 Canadian federal election I keep trying to riff on the SNC-Lavalin stuff but all I have so far is 2019 Canadian Election: Deferred Persecution Agreement.
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Aug 24, 2019 16:02
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vyelkin posted:Hi everyone I'm working on the election OP right now and I would like people to suggest some of the big things Trudeau has done or not done that might be important in the upcoming election. Topics I've already covered are: electoral reform, marijuana legalization, weapons sales to dictatorships, carbon tax, pipelines, SNC-Lavalin. What am I forgetting? Queer rights seem to be something they're playing on this election, so it's worth pointing out that they passed the federal trans rights bill but are refusing to pass one banning conversion therapy.
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On the topic of teachers I was having a discussion recently with a friend about the Ontario teacher's union. They pointed out that the quality of our teachers suffers as a result of the protection they receive from the union and I found myself agreeing with them. Generally I'm pro-union and believe in empowering labour but I'm trying to reconcile this and failing. I don't have a better solution but was curious if anyone had given this more thought and had a better answer.
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Corte posted:On the topic of teachers I was having a discussion recently with a friend about the Ontario teacher's union. They pointed out that the quality of our teachers suffers as a result of the protection they receive from the union and I found myself agreeing with them. Generally I'm pro-union and believe in empowering labour but I'm trying to reconcile this and failing. I don't have a better solution but was curious if anyone had given this more thought and had a better answer. thats the kind of sweeping generalized statement that is completely political and unprovable. How does the quality of teachers suffer? Which teachers? Which grades? Because they can't be fired on a whim? Because the principles can't play favourites? It's just a totally lazy, anti union hand wave.
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Aug 24, 2019 16:33
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It's kind of amazing how hard the media and the Conservatives tried to make this into a thing. The fact we literally haven't heard anything about it since then really emphasizes how much of a manufactured story line that was. Meanwhile the basically contemporary images of Trudeau dancing around in a sari turned out to be one of his worst PR moments so far.
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Aug 24, 2019 16:36
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Corte posted:On the topic of teachers I was having a discussion recently with a friend about the Ontario teacher's union. They pointed out that the quality of our teachers suffers as a result of the protection they receive from the union and I found myself agreeing with them. Generally I'm pro-union and believe in empowering labour but I'm trying to reconcile this and failing. I don't have a better solution but was curious if anyone had given this more thought and had a better answer. Any way of regulating employment is going to create trade offs. The harder it is to fire a worker the more likely that worker is to abuse their position. The easier it is to fire a worker the more likely that management is to abuse their position. Given how almost every field without decent labour representation is treated I think you'd have to be really naive to think that the long term impact of removing teacher unions would be anything except a more precarious and poorly compensated workforce. Also teacher unions consistently are advocates for their students: in the 1990s teachers unions helped lead the charge against textbook shortages or lack of maintenance for school buildings. Teachers unions advocate for smaller class sizes. They call for greater investment in special education and extracurricular programs. Obviously a lot of that is due to self interest but balancing out different expressions of self interest is more or less how our entire system is designed to function. And besides all of these debates always happen in a specific context. Attacks on teacher unions happen in the context of a world where the government and private sector is relentlessly pushing for smaller government and fewer worker protections. We can debate whether a wise and benevolent philosopher king designing society from scratch might not set up teachers unions the way they've been designed. We might talk about how in some hypothetical future the job of teachings could be set up very differently than it is now and perhaps we could find better ways than the current labour-management setup to run our schools. Or we could at least imagine substantially reforming unions as they exist right now. But we can never ignore the real world political struggles that are happening right in front of us and at the moment one of the most significant struggles we can be involved in is the battle over whether working people should have any say in their work conditions. So while it's important to be critical of the unions, we need to also be cautious about attacking one of the few powerful non-corporate institutions left in Canada. Now in that context, my biggest complaint about Ontario teacher unions would be this: they have donated millions of dollars to the Ontario Liberal Party while it was in office and helped bankroll expensive third party advertising campaigns designed to help the Liberals get re-elected. Rather than demand the government increase revenue and reverse the cuts made in the 1990s the teachers have effectively gotten the government to simply redistribute those cutbacks onto workers with weaker labour representation. They are in this way symptomatic of the decomposition of the labour movement back into its constituent elements. Go back to 1990 and those unions that bothered to be active politically were united behind the NDP: fast forward a few decades and the labour movement is now split between those who support the NDP, those who support the Liberals, and those who float between these two options. Whatever unity or coherency labour in this country had is gone and as a result the wealthier and harder to challenge unions like the teachers act as a labour aristocracy who can use their professional pedigrees and advantageous bargaining position to extract benefits for themselves that come at the expense of other workers.
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Corte posted:On the topic of teachers I was having a discussion recently with a friend about the Ontario teacher's union. They pointed out that the quality of our teachers suffers as a result of the protection they receive from the union and I found myself agreeing with them. Generally I'm pro-union and believe in empowering labour but I'm trying to reconcile this and failing. I don't have a better solution but was curious if anyone had given this more thought and had a better answer. How are you determining the "quality" of teachers? How would this differ in a non-union environment? What is it you believe the union affords them that reduces their overall "quality"? Helsing posted:Now in that context, my biggest complaint about Ontario teacher unions would be this: they have donated millions of dollars to the Ontario Liberal Party while it was in office and helped bankroll expensive third party advertising campaigns designed to help the Liberals get re-elected. Rather than demand the government increase revenue and reverse the cuts made in the 1990s the teachers have effectively gotten the government to simply redistribute those cutbacks onto workers with weaker labour representation. They are in this way symptomatic of the decomposition of the labour movement back into its constituent elements. Go back to 1990 and those unions that bothered to be active politically were united behind the NDP: fast forward a few decades and the labour movement is now split between those who support the NDP, those who support the Liberals, and those who float between these two options. Whatever unity or coherency labour in this country had is gone and as a result the wealthier and harder to challenge unions like the teachers act as a labour aristocracy who can use their professional pedigrees and advantageous bargaining position to extract benefits for themselves that come at the expense of other workers. OSSTF and ETFO repeatedly telling their members, election after election, to vote Liberal, even in the face of strike-breaking back to work legislation has been a real head scratcher, for sure. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Aug 24, 2019 |
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infernal machines posted:OSSTF and ETFO repeatedly telling their members, election after election, to vote Liberal, even in the face of strike-braking back to work legislation has been a real head scratcher, for sure. Yeah and then you get stories like this one from 2013: quote:OSSTF leader to run for Liberals
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Aug 24, 2019 17:10
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Election thread here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3896994
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Helsing posted:It's kind of amazing how hard the media and the Conservatives tried to make this into a thing. The fact we literally haven't heard anything about it since then really emphasizes how much of a manufactured story line that was. Meanwhile the basically contemporary images of Trudeau dancing around in a sari turned out to be one of his worst PR moments so far. Well, it wasn't a non-issue: they softened the actual implementation to fix the most egregious problems around screwing people retroactively for things they can't undo, but even going forward it leaves a lot of ambiguity that will lead to lots of people having disputes with the CRA for the next decade or two. What remains is just too boring for the media to run with, not to mention being impossible to cover in a way that gets sympathy from the majority of viewers. (Small business owners want to pay less tax than employees on the same income, like before!)
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Aug 24, 2019 17:38
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Keep your city nice and clean.
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Aug 24, 2019 18:32
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Ha, idiots. Dominion is Metro now, the battle is already lost.
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Aug 24, 2019 18:35
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TerminalSaint posted:Keep your city nice and clean. That's... not how you handle a poisonous snake?
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