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rotor posted:When you release the product of your labors to the world how do you ensure that they are not used for evil? It's fairly easy, "will this thing be a good targeting system for a missile" yes/no. If yes, burn notebook, go and do something more boring. rotor posted:well gently caress you too It's your drat job too.
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state up front that your poo poo is licensed under agpl3 and commercial licenses can be negotiated and like thats it??? if a company reaches out to you and you want to let them use your poo poo for free without the agpl encumbrance then you... just let them???
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Bloody posted:if they want to clean room reimplement my library to avoid paying for a commercial license because it is agpl3 then they can fuckin go ahead and waste their time doing that, i don't care i don't want to deal with the money; on the rare occasions i release something that's about as much as i care to be bothered with it. i just don't like the idea that someone in ecuador or whatever likes it, but they can't afford to pay for it or whatever. i'd rather just do things strictly non-commercial, as the world should be
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Broken Machine posted:if palantir or the like wants to rip off your work, i don't think they're going to care how your software is licensed, they're going to rip you off because they're not good people and they can quote:also though, most any software or tech good can be used for good or bad. Yes, this is exactly why you are morally responsible for making sure your work is not used to imprison children and its exactly why just releasing it into the world with no way to prevent that is a lovely, lovely thing to do. quote:rather just release it for free, that way anyone can use it and hopefully they at least leave your license notice there rather just release it under agpl3 that way individuals can use it and companies can pay for it
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Broken Machine posted:i just don't like the idea that someone in ecuador or whatever likes it then they can use it per the terms of agpl3 or email you and say "hey i want to use this in my ecuadorian startup but i am very poor" and you can say "cool heres an unlimited license to use it for 3 years for free, talk to me again in 2 years"
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Hexyflexy posted:It's fairly easy, "will this thing be a good targeting system for a missile" yes/no. If yes, burn notebook, go and do something more boring. You need to think just a little harder about things because this is spectacularly shallow. quote:It's your drat job too. it is very much not, what capitalist conned you into thinking this?
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rotor posted:Palantir is, for now, still subject to copyright law. i think in the cases you're concerned with, what would likely happen is they would steal your code, and if ever asked about it, they'd just claim state secrets and that would be it if you develop some new non-trivial technology thing, it is incredibly difficult to prevent dumb humans from doing dumb things. a swiss patent clerk wrote a paper about the brownian motion swirls in his coffee cup, leading to modern quantum mechanics, huge advances in physics and so on, and we almost blew up the world a few decades later after. it's not always obvious the negative ramifications - i mean look at the internet today compared to its promise of the early 90s
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any tool you develop can be used for evil. this has been true for every tool in history. if you don’t want to make guns, don’t make guns. if you’re afraid to make a broom because someone might use it to sweep the shavings of the lathe in the gun factory, you might be going overboard. similarly, if you’re implementing a library that detects people in infra red scans and plots a course to their head, you shouldn’t make it free it if you don’t want it used to make missiles. if you’re creating a new version of grep with rad colors, you can chill the gently caress out.
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Sep 18, 2019 20:54
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The Management posted:it’s getting very GBS in this thread
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Sep 18, 2019 21:02
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i'm rotor's implication that evil cannot be non-commercial
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Sep 18, 2019 21:04
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open source it but under the MIT license
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The Atlas Public License (APL): Author may, at his sole discretion, dynamite any facility in which this software is used contrary to his values
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Sep 18, 2019 21:11
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if my LICENSE.md says “whoever you are, you are not licensed to use this software for anything absent express written agreement with me to the contrary” does that pass legal muster
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Sep 18, 2019 21:14
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i licensed it under creative commons which lets me show movies that are copyrighted for money
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Broken Machine posted:i think in the cases you're concerned with, what would likely happen is they would steal your code, and if ever asked about it, they'd just claim state secrets and that would be it The Management posted:any tool you develop can be used for evil. this has been true for every tool in history. if you don’t want to make guns, don’t make guns. if you’re afraid to make a broom because someone might use it to sweep the shavings of the lathe in the gun factory, you might be going overboard. I agree, its virtually impossible to predict. Which is why you should maintain control over who uses your software and for what purpose.
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Sep 18, 2019 21:16
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can't write evil softwares if you don't write any softwares! *taps forehead*
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rotor posted:I agree, its virtually impossible to predict. i mean, for myself i release typically asking for source attribution and that it be used non-commercially - so i'm not getting paid, but so long as it's not an evil company incorporated as a non-profit, i could still sue. it wouldn't prevent an evil individual acting alone, or a company that didn't care about breaking copyright law. often it's a moot point; a few weeks ago echinopsis released a shirt design, just a first initial test design and it had already been copied a day or two later
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raminasi posted:if my LICENSE.md says “whoever you are, you are not licensed to use this software for anything absent express written agreement with me to the contrary” does that pass legal muster in that case you can just say "copyright 2019 raminasi. all rights reserved"
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Endless Mike posted:can't write evil softwares if you don't write any softwares! JCR Licklider posted:Unemployment would disappear from the face of the earth forever, for consider the magnitude of the task of adapting the network’s software to all the new generations of computer, coming closer and closer upon the heels of their predecessors until the entire population of the world is caught up in an infinite crescendo of on-line interactive debugging.
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checking slashdot for hot takes, and its a lot more chuddy than I remember it and I was around when it was full of ron paul fans.
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Lain Iwakura posted:cancel this thread --------8<--------
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Hexyflexy posted:On the other hand I feel a deep desire to make all other programmers redundant. rotor posted:well gently caress you too
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