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I do want to say that while I haven't completely finished the "true route" (I'm like 90% done though - in the epilogue, just haven't done two of the scenes), I actually am liking it quite a bit less than the Mizuki ending. While it sucks that Iris is dead in that one, I find the Mizuki-Date relationship infinitely more engaging that the Iris-Date relationship. Sure, the latter is cute, but I never really got attached to Iris the way I did with Mizuki. Part of it might be how neglectful Date was being of Mizuki during all the right paths. When even loving Ota is rightfully lecturing you on not paying enough attention to your surrogate daughter, you know you've screwed-up. Plus, I'd played through the left routes first, so I knew how badly she was doing behind her "tough guy" facade. The other part of it, I think, is the different relationship. In the Mizuki ending she acts more "soft," for lack of a better word. She's still a sassy gremlin tsundere, but she's also more open with Date. In the true ending, she seems more distant despite her adoption. Just makes me feel a bit  I dunno, am I the only one who feels this way?
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I am disappointed that she doesn't have as much presence in the true ending but I still think the true ending is the best regardless.
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Oct 27, 2019 12:20
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I agree with that a lot, but since the relationship between Date and Mizuki on her route included flashbacks to their interactions, it tells me that they're essentially in the same place they were in the true route. The last couple days haven't been as eventful between them, but Date is still the only one that gave a poo poo about her, and they still do the training and stuff. What I'm saying is the Date/Mizuki scenes feel like they still happened on the true route offscreen.
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Oct 27, 2019 14:35
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Yeah I think so too. After all, in the true route Date becomes her legal guardian so it’s not like her abandoned her or anything. Plus isn’t Saito still alive in the Mizuki Route? Or was he in So’s body when he died?
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Oct 27, 2019 14:47
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I think it's just a matter of the game not wanting to repeat things we already had on the other route.
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Oct 27, 2019 14:52
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He was almost definitely in So's head when it caught that bullet. So is an rear end in a top hat, but not a gloating-about-murders type of rear end in a top hat.
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Oct 27, 2019 14:52
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Considering Date brings Saito's body directly to him in that route, it is kind of strange that Saito just tries to kill them instead of switching bodies back. Of course, Saito is also an idiot, so I guess it makes sense.
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Oct 27, 2019 14:56
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:Yeah I think so too. After all, in the true route Date becomes her legal guardian so it’s not like her abandoned her or anything. Plus isn’t Saito still alive in the Mizuki Route? Or was he in So’s body when he died? No Saito dies in So's body However that does mean that when "Iris" regains consciousness it's gonna he So in there.
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Oct 27, 2019 15:10
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Regy Rusty posted:No Saito dies in So's body And then is going to die soon due to the brain tumor.
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Oct 27, 2019 15:12
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Momomo posted:Considering Date brings Saito's body directly to him in that route, it is kind of strange that Saito just tries to kill them instead of switching bodies back. Of course, Saito is also an idiot, so I guess it makes sense. If I remember right, at one point So takes Mizuki hostage and commands Date to put down his gun and surrender. I assume if Date actually did give up, Saito would have gotten them to the abandoned factory. It IS a little weird that So calls Date his son during that whole exchange. I know at that point Saito was playing in-character as So, but it was an odd thing to reveal considering there was no reason for him to do that.
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Oct 27, 2019 18:23
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:It IS a little weird that So calls Date his son during that whole exchange. I know at that point Saito was playing in-character as So, but it was an odd thing to reveal considering there was no reason for him to do that. He probably just thought it was funny
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Oct 27, 2019 18:30
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Speaking of little nitpicky things that bother me: In the Mizuki route epilogue (which can't take more than a few days after the ending), Date is the one to bring up his promise and take Mizuki to go get some food with him. In the true route, it's been three months, and he still hasn't done it yet. Mizuki has to actually remind him. I'm not gonna claim that Date is a deadbeat "dad" or anything - it's very obvious the two care about each-other, no matter what the route - but I really don't like the more distant relationship the two have in the right routes. It really feels like her and Date's relationship was devalued there for the sake of Iris's, and I just never felt as strongly attached to her as I did to Mizuki. Regy Rusty posted:No Saito dies in So's body 1-800-DOCTORB posted:And then is going to die soon due to the brain tumor. If So comes to before Iris's brain craps out, she's probably going to fall into denial that her adoptive daughter is really gone, and that a completely unrelated man is living in her body. Honestly, it would kind of be humanizing if So just decided to pretend to be Iris to give this poor woman some closure, but considering the guy's only redeeming qualities are not actually killing his lover and kind-of-sorta admitting he was a bad father, I highly doubt he'd have the empathy to even consider that plan-of-action. jadebenn fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Oct 27, 2019 |
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This game is fantastic. I didn't think Uchikoshi had it in him still, after ZTD. Between this and Disco Elysium, it's been.a great year for story-games. But yeah, do you reckon we could convince him to do a musical next? That ending was *chefs kiss*.
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Oct 27, 2019 20:47
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It’s kind of embarrassing how many times I’ve re-watched the ending dance number. It’s just the worst on so many levels but I loved it anyway.
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Oct 27, 2019 21:01
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There's nothing the worst about it it's perfect and wonderful
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Oct 27, 2019 21:07
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Even Iris's singing? 
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I have to be honest, when Iris first sang I thought that it was supposed to be... a bit bad on purpose, especially when she mentions that Renju told her to work on singing and stop dancing.
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Clara posted:Even Iris's singing? Iris's singing is perfect because it reinforces a central theme of the game: sometimes, the people you love will embarrass you, and that's okay. Seriously, though, I was ruined enough to listen to the Japanese ending dance, and it gave me a slightly better dopamine hit initially, but I think it works less well because it's a more polished performance. Iris's amateurish intro just works better with the spontaneous escalation of the last sequence. "tadaima"/"okaeri" is better than "i'm home/welcome back" though (and hopefully harder to totally miss the callback on!).
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:I have to be honest, when Iris first sang I thought that it was supposed to be... a bit bad on purpose, especially when she mentions that Renju told her to work on singing and stop dancing. Yeah, my first thought when she sang was "Oh, I guess Renju had a point..." Momomo fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Oct 28, 2019 |
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Oct 28, 2019 00:51
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It switched to English automatically for the ending song and hearing Iris' singing for the first time there was hilarious.
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Oct 28, 2019 01:03
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I think the fact that So isn't in the ending dance is what most convinces me that it isn't some weird dream sequence and actually canonically happens.
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Oct 28, 2019 02:02
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Dancing in AI shares the same anime zone as combat.
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CottonWolf posted:This game is fantastic. I didn't think Uchikoshi had it in him still, after ZTD. Between this and Disco Elysium, it's been.a great year for story-games. But yeah, do you reckon we could convince him to do a musical next? That ending was *chefs kiss*. Both AI and Disco Elysium star trash detectives too.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Both AI and Disco Elysium star trash detectives too. And ghost trick phantom detective features a detective who wakes up in trash and deadly premonition features a detective that'll smell like trash (cause almost nobody does regular cleaning). Seems like it's trash+detective makes for a good story!
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MonsieurChoc posted:Both AI and Disco Elysium star trash detectives too. They’re disastrous in very different ways, but yeah.
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Yeah, there were a couple lines that were just blatantly wrong when I played. I also had the problem of things taking a while to load on the PC version.
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I was absolutely convinced that Aiba was using Wadjet to generate the parallel worlds we were playing through, and used this to generate a million Date corpses every time she analyzed a situation to figure out the one reality where Date survives. It fits in too well with the Nonary games, and c'mon how else could you get Date to shoot a pipe he just threw through the air in the right way to hit So? This would also explain the coalescing memories, at least partially. And then it didn't happen. Atoramos fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Nov 1, 2019 |
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I haven't actually finished the game yet but is flour really sold in cartons in Japan??
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Atoramos posted:I was absolutely convinced that Aiba was using Wadjet to generate the parallel worlds we were playing through, and used this to generate a million Date corpses every time she analyzed a situation to figure out the one reality where Date survives. It fits in too well with the Nonary games, and c'mon how else could you get Date to shoot a pipe he just threw through the air in the right way to hit So? This would also explain the coalescing memories, at least partially. I was absolutely expecting that the entire game takes place in date's somnium and that would explain all the crazy stuff like super power 12 year old or the amazing accuracy/planning of aiba or the hyper porn reflexes. It would have been cool that you're using all the parallel timeliness to rebuild the actual memories of the case, then you get out from the somnium and get the real killer.
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https://s.famitsu.com/news/201911/08186514.html Uchikoshi on some questions about the story. However I refuse to accept that Hitomi moving her arm is mere fantasy. She was healed with the power of music.
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quote:The most-asked question about Mizuki was, "Why is she so strong?" According to Uchikoshi, it is a result of "atavism." According to legend, Mizuki's grandpa was raised by dolphins. This sounds like a made-up story, but it's true. He had super powers that allowed him to live while being raised by dolphins.
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Oh so that's why that Somnium was so hard... I didn't eat the stew Well now I just feel like a dick
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Momomo posted:Yeah, there were a couple lines that were just blatantly wrong when I played. I also had the problem of things taking a while to load on the PC version. The loading issue happens on the Switch too sadly, especially near the ends of both right routes and the Annihilation ending. didn't shotgun the game but finished it over a couple of weeks. One of my favorite characters to interact with was the taxi driver. I wish he had actually shown up more considering how many times people mentioned taking taxis to follow someone. Also when I heard Ota's Father's voice it was driving me nut trying to figure out where I had heard him before. I eventually figured out it was Detective Baker in Detective Pikachu,
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Clara posted:It’s kind of embarrassing how many times I’ve re-watched the ending dance number. It’s just the worst on so many levels but I loved it anyway. when Aiba starts tapping her foot and then shows up dancing next to Iris  It's worth the 500MB to keep the whole ending dance saved on my PS4 hard drive forever. edit: shamelessly bumping this from a month ago
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mateo360 posted:The loading issue happens on the Switch too sadly, especially near the ends of both right routes and the Annihilation ending. 428 Shibuya Scramble is another VN with powerful cabbie energy Ota's dad was voiced by D.C. Douglas, who is obviously best known for his role in Persona 4: Dancing All Night
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