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A recent example - the international version of Dragon Ball Fusions removed all swords from the game and replaced them with sticks, for no discernible reason. Satan still shoots people with a gun.
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Let's post about Videogame Censorship: Satan still shoots people with a gun.
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Jan 27, 2020 15:44
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Do games that have most of their characters edited for didn't-want-to-pay-the-license reasons count as censorship? If so, look up Dragon Power for NES and Black Belt for Sega Master System. I bet you can't tell what games those were supposed to be!
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Jan 28, 2020 14:05
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Freakazoid_ posted:Do games that have most of their characters edited for didn't-want-to-pay-the-license reasons count as censorship? Dragon Power is totally going to be Dragonball isn't it? I'm just guessing because it's the funniest option considering Dragonball just got talked about. Looking at Black Belt's screenshots, is it Fist of the North Star?
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Jan 28, 2020 14:13
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Haha, “Black Belt, full game play through” 9 minutes. That’s some bang for your buck
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Kchama posted:Dragon Power is totally going to be Dragonball isn't it? I'm just guessing because it's the funniest option considering Dragonball just got talked about. yes and yes.
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Jan 29, 2020 11:08
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in dragon power isntead of giving bulma's panties to roshi you give him a ham sandwich
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mycophobia posted:in dragon power isntead of giving bulma's panties to roshi you give him a ham sandwich And they just turned the underwear sprite upside down to create the sandwich! Brilliant.
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Jan 29, 2020 22:08
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The weirdest example of game censorship I can remember was NES Bionic Commando. In the Japanese version, titled "Top Secret - The Resurrection of Hitler" you're fighting against a Neo-Nazi army whose goal is--unsurprisingly--to bring Hitler back to life, which they succeed in doing. Bionic Commando on the other hand had you fighting against the "Badds" who were trying to resurrect "Master D". What's weird is that the only graphical censorship they did was replacing all the swastikas in-game with eagles. They didn't make "Master D" look anything less like Hitler and, most bizarrely, they didn't censor the gory cutscene where Hitler's head explodes when you shoot him with a bazooka. How that slipped past the censors escapes me.
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Jan 31, 2020 02:01
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Kchama posted:Looking at Black Belt's screenshots, is it Fist of the North Star? See also Last Battle for Genesis. I always assumed that they were rebranded because fist of the north star was not well known or main stream in any way in the west. These were both in the 80s.
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Jan 31, 2020 03:38
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ColdPie posted:PROBOTECTOR
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Jan 31, 2020 03:39
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Join the army, become a robot killing machine.
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Genpei Turtle posted:The weirdest example of game censorship I can remember was NES Bionic Commando. In the Japanese version, titled "Top Secret - The Resurrection of Hitler" you're fighting against a Neo-Nazi army whose goal is--unsurprisingly--to bring Hitler back to life, which they succeed in doing. Best part is the manual being somewhere half between and calling the army the "Nazz". Subtle.
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Jan 31, 2020 07:29
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The Ace Attorney localization changing the setting to Los Angeles is so distracting that I mentally just replace every reference to America with Japan. Yeah there are multiple Japanese mountain villages in California with Shinto shrines. gently caress off
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Jan 31, 2020 19:47
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Is it true that instead of certain versions of Splatterhouse 1 being heavily censored, that it was because of system limitations that removed a layer of mutilated corpses from appearing in the foreground? The mask was still obviously censored another color.
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Wasn't the masked changed to be less obviously Jason's?
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Pablo Nergigante posted:The Ace Attorney localization changing the setting to Los Angeles is so distracting that I mentally just replace every reference to America with Japan. Yeah there are multiple Japanese mountain villages in California with Shinto shrines. gently caress off this owns tho
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I love the case entirely about yokai, it's like the Japanese authors wanted to deliberately mess with the localizers. "Here, have a case entirely about Japanese folklore, have fun making that work in California." So the NA version has the case set in a tourist trap town made by Japanese immigrants who claim their guardian spirits followed them to the new world. Almost felt like a cop out.
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Genpei Turtle posted:They didn't make "Master D" look anything less like Hitler and, most bizarrely, they didn't censor the gory cutscene where Hitler's head explodes when you shoot him with a bazooka. How that slipped past the censors escapes me. It’s very likely nobody in charge of monitoring that kind of thing played all the way to the end of the game.
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Miyamoto Musashi posted:It’s very likely nobody in charge of monitoring that kind of thing played all the way to the end of the game. Was Sega made aware of ABACABB and DULLARD before MK was released on the Genesis?
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Miyamoto Musashi posted:It’s very likely nobody in charge of monitoring that kind of thing played all the way to the end of the game. Could be, I guess. Though I can think of some other "missed censorships" in NES games that came earlier on. Like for example the first Golgo 13 game, which did remove the pixellated nudity in the sex scenes, but left in the blood spurts when you shoot people in the head. Also come to think of it that game was also about Neo-Nazis reviving Hitler from the dead, but when they changed Hitler to "Smirk", it was less noticeable because "Smirk" looked a lot less like Hitler than "Master D" did.
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I am still surprised how many games have nudity in them, because holy poo poo that concept was seen as the end of all humankind not that long ago.
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twistedmentat posted:I am still surprised how many games have nudity in them, because holy poo poo that concept was seen as the end of all humankind not that long ago. A large portion of this is because nudity isn't nearly as abhorrent in the rest of the world as it is in the mainland United States. I mean, generally you're not supposed to go around completely nude in other countries, but seeing a titty is not considered nearly as horrible as seeing a violent, gory decapitation is. The USA is the backwards rear end country, it's just that we have a stranglehold on media representations that is (slowly) loosening.
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There's a weird double standard even regarding violence, though. Even as adult content gets more and more violent, the Looney Tunes cartoons I grew up watching on Saturday mornings can barely be found anywhere other than DVD/blu-ray because they're now considered to be much too violent for children. The fact that they're now considered to be adult content means that almost no one is willing to air them anymore. 
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...! posted:There's a weird double standard even regarding violence, though. Even as adult content gets more and more violent, the Looney Tunes cartoons I grew up watching on Saturday mornings can barely be found anywhere other than DVD/blu-ray because they're now considered to be much too violent for children. The fact that they're now considered to be adult content means that almost no one is willing to air them anymore. Granted, a lot of those WERE more adult content in their originating years, and only became kids-only as culture started deciding that animation was only for kids.
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...! posted:Even as adult content gets more and more violent, the Looney Tunes cartoons I grew up watching on Saturday mornings can barely be found anywhere other than DVD/blu-ray because they're now considered to be much too violent for children. The fact that they're now considered to be adult content means that almost no one is willing to air them anymore. This is one of those situations that's actually a lot more complicated than it looks. It's not the violence that's keeping them off the air. Firstly, to my understanding, only one channel (or network of channels) can actually have the rights to air them at any given time. For almost as long as I've been alive, this has been Turner, which meant that you could find them relatively easily on Cartoon Network (and later Boomerang) but nowhere else. Secondly, from a technical perspective they're... not appealing. As a result of being old as hell, they're all 4:3 aspect ratio and only a fraction of them are available in HD (with transfer quality varying wildly across the remaining ones). Boomerang, of course, gives no fucks about this, because their entire reason for existence is to show classic cartoons that Turner has in their library, but there's more or less no way in hell Cartoon Network, which currently only runs HD material, will ever run them unless there's a large-scale restoration and remastering project for them. Thirdly, I just went and looked up specific edits that have been made to the cartoons over the years, because there's a page that lists them all in exhaustive detail. As it turns out, the vast, vast majority of the violence edits were done by syndication networks in the early 90s, with Cartoon Network showing nearly all of the affected cartoons uncut (aside from some edits to jokes surrounding suicide, which tended to stay). However, CN made some of their own edits, and while they aren't for violence, well... I'll just quote some of them, and you'll probably get the picture. quote:"Ain't That Ducky" (Freleng; 1945): quote:"Ali Baba Bound" (Clampett; 1940): quote:"Doggone Cats" (Davis; 1947): quote:"I Like Mountain Music" (Harman and Ising; 1933): quote:"Porky's Baseball Broadcast" (Freleng; 1940): quote:"Southern Fried Rabbit" (Freleng; 1953): They're... a little racist. And by a little racist, I mean holy loving poo poo they're racist. Other than this, the only edits CN retained (or made themselves) were to suicide jokes and references to tobacco and alcohol, which are generally way more minor.
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I think aside from the Censored Eleven (though they may have come out since I last checked), many are available unedited on official DVD releases. I was fairly impressed with the message given before the DVDs containing some of the more racist episodes.quote:The cartoons you are about to see are products of their time. They may depict some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that were commonplace in the U.S society. These depictions were wrong then and they are wrong today. While the following does not represent the Warner Bros. view of today's society, these cartoons are being presented as they were originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming that these prejudices never existed. Doesn't try to pretend it never happened, and acknowledges that it was messed up and wrong.
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Kurui Reiten posted:A large portion of this is because nudity isn't nearly as abhorrent in the rest of the world as it is in the mainland United States. I mean, generally you're not supposed to go around completely nude in other countries, but seeing a titty is not considered nearly as horrible as seeing a violent, gory decapitation is. Yea but like Mass Effect Andromeda had nudity, so did Dragon Age Inqusition. GTA5 is still of tits and you can see Trevors cock and balls a few times. Bunch of other games from the last 5 or so years have had nudity in it. AngryRobotsInc posted:I think aside from the Censored Eleven (though they may have come out since I last checked), many are available unedited on official DVD releases. I was fairly impressed with the message given before the DVDs containing some of the more racist episodes. This is super important because a lot of times people try to pretend these were some aberration or these attitudes were only held by a few. Any even cursory look into American history can show that racism was a big part of life and its language and imagery was everywhere. Those cartoons were as mainstream as the Simpsons.
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Anyone know why Japanese versions of games used to be quite violent and now they aren't?
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Turner is a Warner company, so I imagine they're never leaving now.
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twistedmentat posted:
Yeah, from what I understand, Disney just tries to pretend they never made any racist cartoons at all.
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Flannelette posted:Anyone know why Japanese versions of games used to be quite violent and now they aren't? Suda 51 posted:While doing these interviews, there’s been a lot of stuff I’ve remembered suddenly — one of those things is working on Moonlight Syndrome at Human, before we started Grasshopper. So a kind of strange thing happened while I was working on the game - it was known as the Sakakibara murders [or the Kobe Child Murders]. Basically a young guy in Japan murdered a bunch of little kids, cut their heads off, did some really hosed up stuff.
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Was it a gradual thing? I remember around that time the Japanese console and arcade things suddenly got less violent but there was still violence in a lot of there games around early 00's, now they don't even have decapitations usually.
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It's one more instance of Japan being the Bizarro US, basically. They had one or two high-profile murder cases around that time, and immediately responded by pretty much making gore in anything a hard no (aside from DVD/BD releases of anime and foreign movies). Also, parent-teacher associations there have a WEIRD amount of power over anything that might even slightly be targeted at kids.
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There was a crime in Japan, so Squaresoft censored Final Fantasy 6 by removing the scene of Celes getting beaten by a soldier, in their latest port of it at the time. This is something that happens every couple of years and I am sure the crime was some sort of terrible murder.
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TheBystander posted:I love the case entirely about yokai, it's like the Japanese authors wanted to deliberately mess with the localizers. "Here, have a case entirely about Japanese folklore, have fun making that work in California." At this point it's basically confirmed that they're doing it entirely on purpose: the next game in the series involves a case revolving entirely around rakugo, with the difference between various kinds of ramen noodles being a major plot point. You can read about the details yourself here, although there's some overall spoilers for the game, so take note if you haven't played the games yourself: http://www.capcom-unity.com/zeroobjections/blog/2016/10/01/one-grand-finale-weddings-rakugo-and-succession Ironically enough, since Japan is more strict when it comes to use of alcohol within the CERO rating that was given to the game vs. the rating the game got elsewhere, the localized version of the case was allowed to mention it directly, while the Japanese version had to resort to mentioning in a roundabout way via a specific rakugo routine about "liquified Castella cakes". Genpei Turtle posted:
What's great about this is that the remake of the game, Bionic Commando: Rearmed, is otherwise pretty similar to the NES version when it comes to overall level of violence, but the only reason the game got a M rating was most likely because they wanted to include the Hitler headsplosion in glorious HD CGI animation which is more or less the only prerendered cutscene in the entire game. AnotherGamer fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Apr 24, 2020 |
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AnotherGamer posted:At this point it's basically confirmed that they're doing it entirely on purpose: the next game in the series involves a case revolving entirely around rakugo, with the difference between various kinds of ramen noodles being a major plot point. You can read about the details yourself here, although there's some overall spoilers for the game, so take note if you haven't played the games yourself: http://www.capcom-unity.com/zeroobjections/blog/2016/10/01/one-grand-finale-weddings-rakugo-and-succession I mean, realistically speaking, this doesn't seem like evidence they're doing it to gently caress with the localizers; they're just writing for a Japanese audience, who would be fairly familiar (if not necessarily intimately so) with rakugo and would understand the ramen thing, and probably just aren't considering at all that it's a bastard to translate.
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USGamer caught up with Ted Woolsey to talk about the FF6 translation process, which was heavily affected by Nintendo's content guidelines at the time.quote:Major parts of Final Fantasy 6's storyline involve suicide, teen pregnancy, and mass slaughter. Its length, depth, and gravity make it a difficult translation under the best conditions. But when Final Fantasy 6 was being localized, Nintendo disallowed words like "die" and "death." Ted Woolsey was expected to tell North Americans a story about the Apocalypse, and he had to do it without inferring that anyone actually dies.
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kirbysuperstar posted:There was also the thing with Soulcalibur where Korea in particular shunned depictions of samurai, so Mitsurugi went blonde, got renamed to Arthur and..uh, that was it. New character, totally not a samurai. South Korea has a long history, only really easing up in the early 2000s, of censoring or disallowing Japanese media, and a number of Japanese games were altered as a result. As another example, the "Asia" version of Marvel vs. Capcom 1 (distributed in Asian countries outside of Japan) deletes all the Japanese-language voiceover from all of the Capcom characters, replacing most of them with just generic grunts or whatever English dialogue they remembered to record during development (and replacing Roll's theme with an instrumental version). I find all these little unexpected changes caused by the looming shadow of history to be oddly fascinating...
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