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Steve Yun posted:Any French speakers in here wanna verify: does Heloise talk to Marianne using formal language for most of the film and switches to informal at the end? If so at which point does this happen I kept an ear out for this when I saw the film back in October, and I’m not sure there is a switch. I can guarantee that even when they have sex after getting high, Heloise says “vos yeux” (your eyes) using the formal second-person.
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Saw this last night, incredible movie. I’d thought that the second-to-last was an excellent ending, and was a bit disappointed when it started up again, but then wow, what a perfect way to close. About the language: I heard an interview with Sciamma where she said there were two moments when they switched to informal, but didn’t say where they were! Also language related, but I thought it was a really cool bit when the Countess realized that Marianne spoke Italian and switched for the rest of the conversation—it really helped in fleshing her out as a character, I thought.
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Yeah, the countess was married away to a French dude and now that he died she’s bored in France and wants to go back to Italy so she’s using the patriarchy (the fact that she can force her daughter to marry an Italian dude so they can both move back to Italy) for her own benefit ***** In other news: It should be pointed out that Marianne is bisexual. She’s been pregnant before by a man she loved, as she told Sofie, the maid. Marianne has found a way to survive in society. As a bisexual she can pretend to be heterosexual, and as a middle class person she has less societal pressure to get married to a guy. She’s able to get by with a job as a painter because her dad supports her and let’s her use his name for business (BTW probably the most supportive man in the whole story despite never showing up) So when they read Ovid’s Orpheus and Eurydice: Sofie takes the most basic interpretation, where she gets upset at Orpheus for being impatient (this is a long shot but this might also be informed by her being made pregnant by some impatient boy whose baby she doesn’t want) Marianne changes the subtext of the tale. She suggests that Orpheus had a different motivation for his action, that he wanted the memory of Eurydice more than Eurydice herself. Because Marianne has found a way to survive in 1760’s France, her desire to change reality is less than Heloise’s: Heloise outright wants to change the text of the myth into one where the woman has agency. Heloise is the most wronged by society, so she has the most motivation to change reality. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Feb 27, 2020 |
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Feb 26, 2020 22:10
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Is tourner autour formal
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Steve Yun posted:Is tourner autour formal I’m not entirely sure what you’re asking here. “Tourner autour” literally means “to revolve around” — it’s not formal because it’s not conjugated at all. Do you mean “retourne-toi”? That’s an informal command.
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Oh poo poo I misheard Heloise’s last line then Edit:  this loving movie
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https://twitter.com/monaeltahawy/status/1233753611101974530?s=21
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Steve Yun posted:In the original myth, Orpheus has the goal of getting above ground with Eurydice to look forward to. The cinematography reminded me of Bergman. Like this scene from Persona.
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How are the rest of Sciamma’s movies? I see Girlhood is on bluray
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Mar 6, 2020 10:37
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This was a really good movie in every respect. I loved the zooms during the painting sections and other scenes. Erotic armpit drugging!
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Steve Yun posted:How are the rest of Sciamma’s movies? I see Girlhood is on bluray Water Lilies should still be available to stream on Criterion Channel. I thought it was pretty decent.
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I just saw this, the final scene absolutely ruined me. Amazing. I was very dumb and got up to go pee during the bonfire scene and completely missed everything between that and the first kiss. Oops!!
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Mar 10, 2020 07:41
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Strong username post combo
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Definitely one of the prettiest movies I have seen in a long time. The onscreen chemistry between the ladies was incredible!
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It was pretty good. Wasn't blown away but I wasn't blown away by parasite either. So I guess my brain is just broken.
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A) Are you in lockdown B) Do you like lesbians C) Do you have Hulu D) Do you want to watch the greatest romantic film ever made
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Unique little gem I'm glad I saw on the big screen in the days theaters were a thing. The before times. A, uh... shocking amount of hair tho.
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Really enjoyed this. The end destroyed me. It was nice to see a lesbian romance that doesn't get all male gazey. Very much looking forward to the prequel, "Portrait of a Lady Standing Dangerously Close to a Flame." Old school Photoshop Phriday represent!
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Apr 5, 2020 01:15
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Really wonderful movie. The stuff with Sophie and her pregnancy was surprisingly compelling and added a nice group dimension to the interactions. The art gallery scene was poignant and sweet and the actual finale was a masterclass. I loved how sparse the use of music was, and how expression driven the interactions between the two leads were. I think as time goes on this might end up being my favourite film of 2019.
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Apr 9, 2020 16:35
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Bought and watched Girlhood. It’s a good slice of life peek into someone’s life movie but not nearly the tour de force that Portrait is.
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Finally watched this last night and still mulling over it in my head. It just struck a chord with me in a way I wasn't expecting. Yes, this is a film about love between two women, but it's transcendent in a way that I believe anyone can connect with the way it presents memory and love. But that is what makes it special, as it's using every trick in the book used by male filmmakers in terms of the gaze and Sciamma makes it her own. Just the way that so much of the film is shot in a way that we're seeing through the perspectives of Marianne and Heloise. And this has some of the most beautiful photography I've seen in a film, just with the use of color, framing, etc. There's a shot of Heloise with embers from a fire over her face. I'm going to have to watch this again soon, but I feel safe in saying this is one of the greatest cinematic works I've ever seen. It's been a while since I've seen a film that just shook me to my core like Portrait did. And that final shot - yeah, no dry eyes here.
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Oh yeah public service announcement the bluray and dvd are out
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Steve Yun posted:Oh yeah public service announcement the bluray and dvd are out Can confirm this looks incredible on a 4K OLED
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I never saw the poster for this until recently and it's drat good. Movie is amazing to of course
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Jenny Agutter posted:I never saw the poster for this until recently and it's drat good. Movie is amazing to of course
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Wow there's a lot going on in such a simple poster
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Jenny Agutter posted:I never saw the poster for this until recently and it's drat good. Movie is amazing to of course Oh now I get it
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Oh my god, what a movie! I love the final shot, which is something that could go really awry but all the information has been given to us and it arrives at just the right time for us to be able to go along with her on her emotional journey as she listens to the music, and instead of being wan and ambiguous it's thrilling and powerful. I love the way it connects to the faltering harpsichord-playing in the first part of the movie, which is such a sweet moment on its own. But then you have her hearing the orchestra playing it, and much like love, music is something that you have and you experience at the same time as you can never really "have" it - it passes through you, at best. What they actually had together was like the harpsichord - small and incomplete - but nonetheless still representative of the love they could have had, the fully orchestrated performance. The music at the end is like a picture of the life they could have had, but also an affirmation of how powerful what they did have was. I don't know if that makes sense to anyone else but that was the little epiphany journey I went on.
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Magic Hate Ball posted:Oh my god, what a movie! I love the final shot, which is something that could go really awry but all the information has been given to us and it arrives at just the right time for us to be able to go along with her on her emotional journey as she listens to the music, and instead of being wan and ambiguous it's thrilling and powerful. I love the way it connects to the faltering harpsichord-playing in the first part of the movie, which is such a sweet moment on its own. But then you have her hearing the orchestra playing it, and much like love, music is something that you have and you experience at the same time as you can never really "have" it - it passes through you, at best. What they actually had together was like the harpsichord - small and incomplete - but nonetheless still representative of the love they could have had, the fully orchestrated performance. The music at the end is like a picture of the life they could have had, but also an affirmation of how powerful what they did have was. Nope, you nailed it. It's an unforgettable sequence.
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