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I told a some people I know that I miss old Star Trek (another bad show for those unaware) and they recommend watching the Filoni star wars shows. Am I crazy or is this children's television show bad? As a kids show it seems boring and overly complicated. As television for discerning adults such as myself, it's boring and simplistic while being really dumb sometimes. Am I missing something? Are Jedi really stupid, and if that's the point of the show why? Should I just watch something more adult like Farscape or Porn?
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i found there were a few real good episodes throughout, but there was a lot of mediocre or downright bad to sift through. Clone specific episodes are generally the best. There are probably "best episode" lists that could help if you wanted to give it a chance. honestly though i wouldn't have recommended it as a fix for missing old Trek. i am watching old Trek now. nothing alike.
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Mar 12, 2020 15:52
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Plump and Ready posted:I told a some people I know that I miss old Star Trek (another bad show for those unaware) and they recommend watching the Filoni star wars shows. Yes it's very bad. Rebels is less bad, but is still pretty bad. There is nothing about either show that will fit a Star Trek shaped hole in your heart. The Mandalorian might since it's a space western and good, like OG Trek. Everyone should always watch Farscape.
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Mar 12, 2020 16:51
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Clones has some good episodes and two fantastic characters in Ahsoka and Hondo. decent background noise. Rebels is true garbaggio, however.
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Mar 12, 2020 20:33
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yeah Rebels is meh. Clone Wars has some aight stuff.
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Mar 13, 2020 00:21
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There's great tonal whiplash between Jar Jar defeating droid armies by bumbling at them, or that one where C-3PO and R2 saves a village of cute aliens by solving a child's riddle, and then episodes where villains just murder scores of people. I'm also curious about how these shows have more killing in some episodes than some more "serious" action cartoons do in their entire run.
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Mar 13, 2020 00:37
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the guy who voices the clones is terrible
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Mar 13, 2020 09:47
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The early seasons of The Clone Wars are ok at best. 3 is when it really gets going. I'll never understand why people think Rebels is bad. I find that while some individual episodes might be less good than some Clone Wars episodes, it hits way higher highs. I don't know how someone can recommend either one as a replacement for Star Trek though.
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Mar 16, 2020 00:06
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Roth posted:
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Mar 16, 2020 00:38
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also i bounced off of Rebels aftet a season and a half. when does it pick up? i assume it does... ive seen the ObiWan/Maul duel that was pretty solid.
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Mar 16, 2020 00:39
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I think the second half of season 2 is where it starts picking up. The finale is really good if you like Ahsoka, and then season 3 is very solid.
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Mar 16, 2020 00:44
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lmao so right where i stopped. i may have to check it out again
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Mar 16, 2020 00:46
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my impression is that the shows are for people who want more star wars
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Mar 16, 2020 00:55
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Mar 16, 2020 00:56
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cuntman.net posted:my impression is that the shows are for people who want more star wars Shut the gently caress up with your completely correct assessment.
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Mar 16, 2020 00:58
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at least Mandalorian gave me everything i wanted in a Star wars show (pathos in IG droids!)
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Mar 16, 2020 00:59
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I like that Mandalorian is completely divorced from the movie characters. For now.
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Mar 16, 2020 01:01
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wasnt the shadowy character in that one tatooine episode supposed to be a boba fett reference?
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Mar 16, 2020 01:03
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Maybe? I don't remember that episode too well. I'm going to rewatch it with some friends who haven't seen Mandalorian after we finish Rebels.
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Mar 16, 2020 01:04
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I don't want to talk about Star Wars: The Clone Wars: The TV Show I'd much rather talk about Star Wars: The Clone Wars: The TV Show
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Mar 16, 2020 02:10
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I like it a whole lot. It sometimes drags a bit, and I don't think Anakin ever really works well as a character, so it's better when he's not around. It's confusing how often Ahsoka goes on adventures without him, often with other jedi, but I'm not complaining about not having that block of wood around. The show has a weird retro pulp feel. It's never really like star trek, although it's not exactly action-focused either. Some episodes are about battles, a whole lot are about political intrigue. It reminds me of how slow old movies sometimes are, although it's also got the most death I've seen in a cartoon for a long time. Rebels was okay, but it takes a lot longer to get going and never strays from the main group of characters, as opposed to how varied Clone Wars got. reignofevil posted:I don't want to talk about Star Wars: The Clone Wars: The TV Show I'd much rather talk about Star Wars: The Clone Wars: The TV Show That was very good, but also a fairly different kind of show. Mostly action-focused, but also has a lot of Anakin's development from an angsty teen to an adult keeping all his fury and hate on the inside like normal. I like how the dogman that all the furries voted to be in the show got a meaningless bit part, while the two runners-up got much cooler sequences showcasing their abilities. Can't believe they never brought back Durge.
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Mar 16, 2020 03:48
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which clone warsior is the best durge!!  ventress!!  grievous!!
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Mar 16, 2020 04:50
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OK so my vote on the Clone Wars TV show generally is that it's always good to have on as filler while you're doing something else, and very occasionally is actually an interesting show, instead of a show where the writing is just galloping through a bunch of predictable B-plots while having no real A-plot. It's most effective when it's dark as hell and focusing on things other than the main event characters. So basically clone troopers and eventually Ahsoka Tano. When it focuses away from Jedi, it successfully portrays them as a decadent religion at the end of their decline, something which the movies only have people say, not show. In these arcs the show makes you actually care about the little people being hosed over rather than the Jedi, who are obliviously marching to their own deserved deaths. Otherwise the show is a Saturday morning cartoon with a little more violence. The Clone Wars cartoon miniseries doesn't really get into any of that but is pretty great at depicting vibrant action sequences in a way the CG show only occasionally bothers with.
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Mar 24, 2020 14:48
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Sym-Bionic Titan is really good and parts of that are a little star wars-y....but the whole thing isn't, which is neat. It's Sci Fi and there's still like a real sword fight. Pacific Rim ripped it off, in many many places.
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Mar 24, 2020 23:27
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Sodomy Hussein posted:OK so my vote on the Clone Wars TV show generally is that it's always good to have on as filler while you're doing something else, and very occasionally is actually an interesting show, instead of a show where the writing is just galloping through a bunch of predictable B-plots while having no real A-plot. I love how a clone finds out about Order 66 and dies trying to protect the Jedi from it, and they take Palpatine at his word that it's nothing to worry about and don't follow up. It's a wonderful show for building what the prequels should have built wrt Palpy being manipulative and the Jedi being idiots. E: Also Anakin and Padme have legitimate chemistry sometimes which is a hell of a thing, and Obi Wan and Anakin have a friendly relationship. He even knows about their ~romance~. The best parts of the clone wars series are what the prequels needed to have.
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Mar 31, 2020 06:14
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Obi-Wan kinda knows that Anakin has attachment to Padme, but he doesn't get that Anakin has a lot of stress and angst about it and keeping it secret. He's a very bad dad to Anakin because he just thinks of Anakin as a peer and brother. There's also the entire disconnect Anakin and Padme have on politics, where Anakin keeps on not getting that that Padme cares about peace and Padme doesn't get that Anakin is all about fighting. There's a whole two-parter where Padme is doing her peace thing and trying to stop the Republic from deficit spending to build up the war machine, and that all goes over Anakin's head because he's just jealous about Padme hanging out with this Banker guy that she's old friends with because he's a total skeeve, and he winds up sabotaging Padme's entire mission. It's such a perfectly doomed relationship. But honestly while it does nice things to fit in with the movies and fleshes out a lot of the Jedi Masters like Plo Koon and Evan Piell, I really like how the show feels free to go new places and do new things that maintains the feel of the galaxy being real big and the clone wars as wide-ranging.
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Mar 31, 2020 19:33
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The one where Palpatine takes Space Godzilla so he can study it left me with a pretty deep headcanon: He brought it there on purpose and taunted it to see if it could trace him through the force, and if it could then it could be used as an anti-jedi weapon. Got a little more than he bargained for though, and ironically the jedi saved his life like 3 times.
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Apr 1, 2020 06:26
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Clone wars is good but there's way too many 4 or 5 episode long story arcs which could have easily been 1 or 2 episodes. Multi-episodes arc should be for important stuff, like the Maul and Mandalore storylines, not for throwaway poo poo like the fish prince guy learning to be a leader or Anakin and Ahsoka training rebels in how to do terrorism. The one where they rescue some dobby looking dude from Jedi jail is good though because the majority of it is just Tarkin and Anakin talking about how cool war crimes are while the Imperial March plays, and that's really funny. Rebels is ok but suffers from having a single core cast who are almost entirely boring as poo poo. Ezra and Sabine are ok but not enough to carry a show on their own, and even they are still boring until like season 2 or 3.
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dordreff posted:Clone wars is good but there's way too many 4 or 5 episode long story arcs which could have easily been 1 or 2 episodes. Multi-episodes arc should be for important stuff, like the Maul and Mandalore storylines, not for throwaway poo poo like the fish prince guy learning to be a leader or Anakin and Ahsoka training rebels in how to do terrorism. The one where they rescue some dobby looking dude from Jedi jail is good though because the majority of it is just Tarkin and Anakin talking about how cool war crimes are while the Imperial March plays, and that's really funny. I'm pretty sure Babby Prince of the Fishpeople is the last really bland nothing storyline in the show, barring some unexpected and as always unwanted appearances by Jar Jar. I guess we were supposed to be impressed that they were able to shoehorn in Akbar somewhere.
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The Mon Calamari arc was 3 episodes. Not my a particular favorite of mine, but it did end with some hilarious violence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KodF2w1JMwQ
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Sodomy Hussein posted:I'm pretty sure Babby Prince of the Fishpeople is the last really bland nothing storyline in the show, barring some unexpected and as always unwanted appearances by Jar Jar. I guess we were supposed to be impressed that they were able to shoehorn in Akbar somewhere. I turned on an episode and it had jar jar and i felt so relieved
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The Onderon terrorists got special attention because of Saw Guerera being a weird orphan character from the live-action TV show that is still sitting in development hell. That's why he gets to be the special boy showing up in all this other material. I don't think I ever liked him though. I do kinda like the whole pulpy nature of some of the weird out-of-place episodes, even if they sometimes start to drag, because it's just a show where anything can happen. Maybe Ahsoka learns a lesson, maybe the entire main cast gets abandoned to follow a frog leading a squad of droids on a secret mission, maybe Anakin gets seduced by a slaver queen. Roth posted:The Mon Calamari arc was 3 episodes. Not my a particular favorite of mine, but it did end with some hilarious violence I forgot about that shark dude. He was cool. Although you'd think that the squid dudes would be more relevant in those episodes seeing as how they're aligned with the separatists and live on the same planet. I always felt a little weird about how so many worlds were ruled by some kind of hereditary monarch or nobility instead of any local democracy. They're always dealing with a king, queen, or duchess, and never a mayor, president, or prime minister.
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quote:Although you'd think that the squid dudes would be more relevant in those episodes seeing as how they're aligned with the separatists and live on the same planet. This is the 37th plotline where Dooku engineers a political crisis purely to cause widespread chaos and violence, or otherwise hand political power indirectly to Palpatine. The Quarren figure out just like every other backwater province that they made a deal with the Devil, well after the Devil has consolidated power.
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Roth posted:The Mon Calamari arc was 3 episodes. Not my a particular favorite of mine, but it did end with some hilarious violence Lmao drat that kids show just blew half a dozen people the gently caress up. Then the exploded head floats down in front of the camera! Thank you for sharing.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I always felt a little weird about how so many worlds were ruled by some kind of hereditary monarch or nobility instead of any local democracy. They're always dealing with a king, queen, or duchess, and never a mayor, president, or prime minister. Clone Wars is even more directly 30s-50s serial inspired than the prequels, and those are full of monarchs because of contemporary imperialism and transitive inspiration from knight fantasies mixed into the predominant settler-colonial age of sail motif. Relatedly it's really playing up both those aspects in the non-republican nature of the Republic (just like the elected child queen who rotates into perpetual senator in TPM), and a lot of a Korea-Vietnam proxy war themes especially in the early seasons, which meshes naturally with cooperating with local monarchs and despots. Also kids get kings and queens, and it's a kids show.
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