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Arianya posted:Well this seems highly relevant. I can't imagine Khun sticks with her for any amount of time. That said if you feel up for it starting from the beginning isn't the worst idea because there are enough details here and there that are interesting/of relative importance that might come up later.
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Arianya posted:Well this seems highly relevant. I can't imagine Khun sticks with her for any amount of time. The webtoon is also in seasons and this was the end of its season 1 so you can just find the start of season 2.
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Jun 24, 2020 18:27
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Jun 24, 2020 18:31
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This is the start of season 2: https://www.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/tower-of-god/season-2-ep-0/viewer?title_no=95&episode_no=80
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Jun 24, 2020 19:15
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If you are anime only and pick up the webtoon, don't read any comments. They are rife with spoilers, even for different series.
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Jun 24, 2020 19:19
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Christ, what an rear end in a top hat. (Could rabbit-guy even enforce his ruling? He let Rachel go on to the next floors, would he be allowed to go and get her back if she turned out not to be a dickhead?)
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Jun 24, 2020 20:44
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He's the administrator that travels anywhere in the tower to scoop up regulars. I'm sure he could find her.
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Jun 24, 2020 21:01
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so if I'm understanding this right Rachel's bodyguard was essentially an extra life for her? which is why he vanished when she got shanked?
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Jun 24, 2020 21:49
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Yep.
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CharlestonJew posted:so if I'm understanding this right Rachel's bodyguard was essentially an extra life for her? which is why he vanished when she got shanked? Basically yeah, Hedon gave her a bodyguard because apparently she has no actual ability herself and if she died he was her extra life which explains how she got shanked without actually ending up in critical care/wheelchair.
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Wow, I'm not sure I can not read the webtoon. Good season really enjoyed the show.
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CharlestonJew posted:so if I'm understanding this right Rachel's bodyguard was essentially an extra life for her? which is why he vanished when she got shanked? I will say, this is unique to the anime. That does seem to be the case.
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Two Tone Shoes posted:I will say, this is unique to the anime. That does seem to be the case. A bit spoilery but that also uh... would cause problems way down the road.
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AtomikKrab posted:A bit spoilery but that also uh... would cause problems way down the road. It is something that's pretty easy to write around tbh. Even if the show is popular enough to get that far that's also years and years away.
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Jun 25, 2020 03:14
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So is the image of Bam at the end from S2 or even further ahead?
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Who knows, S2 isn't coming out for a long long time. May as well break out the manwha. And since we already have a grasp of the setting and themes of the story, it shouldn't be an insurmountable task. Anyway I find Rachel more pitiable than hateable, her mistake is being unable to step back and assess the whole situation, making everything about herself, and letting herself become a pawn of greater powers. Who will throw her into a pit with much less hesitation than she ever could.
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Jun 25, 2020 14:25
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That was a good episode. I liked how it showed how annoying Bam's effortless powers were to Rachel.
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Jun 25, 2020 14:55
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I'm not sure there is any way to read the old blog posts for those who have decided to read the webcomic which is a shame because if you want to learn more about the setting you'd need to read the wiki and that has insane amounts of spoilers
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Rachel is legitimately one of my favorite characters in ToG and her story and meaning behind her presence and actions are a big part of what makes the dynamics at play very interesting. Like even if you do the understandable read of her being jealous, petty, and self-centered, Bam constantly inserts her into his life that robs her of a lot of perceived and real agency. He's basically a stalker! Chosen one or not, pure cinnamon bun or not, his protagonist powers of bringing other characters into his fold is completely antithetical to everything Rachel appears to want and that drives her mad.
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Nate RFB posted:Rachel is legitimately one of my favorite characters in ToG and her story and meaning behind her presence and actions are a big part of what makes the dynamics at play very interesting. Like even if you do the understandable read of her being jealous, petty, and self-centered, Bam constantly inserts her into his life that robs her of a lot of perceived and real agency. He's basically a stalker! Chosen one or not, pure cinnamon bun or not, his protagonist powers of bringing other characters into his fold is completely antithetical to everything Rachel appears to want and that drives her mad.
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She's just an incredibly jealous and self-centered person imo. Like I don't think she'd have any problem with Bam's behavior if she got to be the big superstar instead, but because she can't handle Bam being better than her, she decides to go full-on scheming, murderous psycho against him.
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Ya just Headon telling her she's not special broke her and then on top of that he tells her this boy she found in a hole is her savior?
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I can understand her motivations as hosed up as they are but that's no excuse for trying to murder Bam the human puppy
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At the same time everything Bam is now is because of Rachel. He is such a good hearted person because of what she taught him. He doesn't even have his own desires or dreams and really has to steel her's. He never would have went to the tower without her or has any desire to climb for his own sake. Then right when Bam is about to reach Rachel's dream to climb the tower she takes it all back from him. He is forced to start over and find his own way again. Good or bad Rachel has had the greatest effect of anyone on Bam. She didn't have to climb the tower or process great power. All she did was show a boy trapped in a hole kindness. If Bam is the chosen one that can change the fate of the Tower, Rachel will have more effect on how he changes it than anyone.
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Rachel did not start off bad. However her dream did not include Bam in it. Possibly for reasons we don't know yet in the webtoon but have been hinted at. Headon broke her will deliberately to use her as a pawn in his games. A Lot of the story in season is her being pushed mentally into doing what she did to Bam here. Really her story and journey into what she is, helps drive TOG and make it such a drat good read.
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Rachel wasn't the only victim of this anti-Jahad conspiracy, Hoh too was also manipulated into destroying himself. And if Bam could find it within him to forgive Hoh, he will be able to forgive Rachel. Not as easily, not as cleanly. He's not going to be the same kind innocent boy he was with Rachel and Khun and Rak, but neither do I see him behaving cruelly and destroy others with nary a thought. I see him slowly coming to an understanding of Rachel's perspective, and being mature enough to step back. He is not fully aligned with the anti-Jahadists that threw him off the tower to hide him from Jahad's eyes. He did not take the hand offered out to him, he stood up on his own. He'll train with these people for now, but will make no assumptions.
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Jun 26, 2020 04:42
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I gotta say a lot of this sounds like spoilers
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Reminder that there is a separate manwha thread for post anime spoilers https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3431936
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It sure does sound like spoilers up in here!Phobophilia posted:snip I ask that you delete this post, you explicitly mention things not said in the anime.
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Would you believe me if I say I haven't read any further? I'm only working off inferences: Headon and the girl who got her eye popped out by Bam powering up engineered Hoh's death and Rachel's attempt to murder Bam. The King seems like a tyrant who has angered a great many people. Bam is a very special boy who is important to people who want to use him against Jahad. Bam also doesn't seem like someone who'd turn into a Khun after something minor like a betrayal. The thing I really have no idea of is: are the people who oppose Jahad people who simply want to replace him, or do they want to straight up remove the systems of hierarchy that Jahad has implemented? If the former, then Bam not taking eyepatch girl's hand signifies that he wants to forge his own path. If the latter, then the fact that he didn't take her hand is an actual part of his training.
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rachel is awesome because of how petty and jealous she is. the shonen protagonist who supposedly succeeds because they work hard and makes friends but actually they have super wizard parents/a magic demon living inside them/whatever's going on with baam is bullshit and i would be pissed too
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It wouldn't shock me if Bam isn't the original owner of the tower or Jahad himself. He's called a savior and his name alludes to christmas so he's clearly some sort of jesus figure with all the references to his pureness/sinlessness.
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I know! But she’s still unbelievably short sighted, because Bam is not defined by his bullshit superpowers that he has hardly worked for, but by his genuine kindness and unwillingness to play into the brutal hierarchy games that everyone else has internalized and labor under. He’s less their leader, and more their mascot, their head of state. She should know, she raised him!
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My interpretation is that Jahad and his retinue were the first to climb this trans dimensional tower, past the floor guardians/administrators/whatever you call those monstrosities, leaving behind a trail of corpses and tears. The act traumatized Him so badly that he used his newly godlike powers to institute a brutal system of hierarchy. His subjects now must retract His steps to be deemed worthy to be slotted into His system.
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I realize that this is not exactly the most productive thing to bring up since obviously the anime had to skip over lots of little details and this is the anime thread and not the manwha thread, but there was some discussion of it earlier and I assumed they'd do this scene to at least add some flavor to that conversation but well they didn't: 
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That'd be weird to handle in the dub. They could use a translator note but that's gonna get meme'd like keikaku. Also do they ever mention Bam's full name in the anime? Edit: ok They did show his full name on the friend sheet of Hatz and Shibisu. Edit2: and the credits... Tipme fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Jun 26, 2020 |
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Jun 26, 2020 19:12
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They did translate his name for the Japanese dub
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the only disappointment I had with the last epsiode is they didn't have Rachel saying she's now the heroine of this story, then cut to the full intro with her replacing Bam in every scene
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