Let's relive the Bush years!

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Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Dapper_Swindler posted:

KSA type Wahhabism. super radical puritans islam that is often used by AQ and ISIS and other types of those sort(though their are massive differences between those groups idiologically and poo poo) anyway,

it got mainstreamed in Saudi Arabia to keep the various clerics happy after the Grand Mosque seizure in 1979 by weird wahhabist outcast types and that scared the saudi royals out secularizing the country and then they started spreading that poo poo all across the world and has helped inspire various terrorists groups and acts though part of that is other obvious geo-political stuff/etc.

also your fine, goon friend. i don't even know what the gently caress id label myself outside general lefty person socially and fiscally. if i makes you feel better. i know nothing about Judaism outside like little history tid bits.

Does this make the Grand Mosque seizure the most succesful non-state act of terror in the past 100 years?

Also, the early Bush years were primetime for old white men yelling. Lewis Black, Keith Olbermann, liberals loving loved that poo poo.

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# ? Apr 24, 2024 03:11

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Orange Devil posted:

Does this make the Grand Mosque seizure the most succesful non-state act of terror in the past 100 years?

Also, the early Bush years were primetime for old white men yelling. Lewis Black, Keith Olbermann, liberals loving loved that poo poo.

that and Gavrilo Princip, pretty much.

# ? Feb 22, 2021 18:28

readingatwork: Jan 8, 2009; Hello Fatty!; Fun Shoe

Here are some stories from :siren:

September 2000 :siren:

. In exactly one year America will lose it�s God damned mind. It�s kind of a slow month so I don�t think 2 posts will be necessary.

So here�s a cool preview of things to come.

Sept 6 - Senate panel examines FBI Internet surveillance system

CNN posted:

By Mike Ferullo

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- FBI officials and privacy advocates squared off Wednesday on Capitol Hill as a Senate panel convened hearings on whether the agency's Internet surveillance system, dubbed "Carnivore," violates privacy rights.
Computer

"America's Internet users are legitimately concerned that surfing the Internet is like walking in a big city at night," said Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch, R-Utah. "The enjoyment is tempered by fears of what's lurking unnoticed in the dark alleys."

With the help of several Internet providers, Carnivore has been used by the FBI to intercept e-mail transmissions of suspected criminals. Assistant FBI Director Donald Kerr, who supervised the development of the Carnivore program, said it has been used to combat international terrorism, credit card fraud, child pornographers, and insider stock trading.

"While the FBI has always, as a first instinct, sought to work cooperatively and closely with computer network service providers, software and equipment manufacturers and many others to fight these crimes, it also became obvious that the FBI needed its own tools to fight this battle," said Kerr.

"As one example, convicted terrorist Ramzi Yousef, the mastermind of the World Trade Center bombing, stored detailed plans to destroy United States airliners on encrypted files on his laptop computer," he said.

FBI: strict guidelines limit potential for abuse

In the past, the FBI relied solely on pen-registers or "trap and trace" wiretaps to produce lists of the telephone numbers of people who placed calls to suspects. Those methods are now applied to the collection of e-mail or IP (Internet Protocol) addresses that are available, provided that investigators are armed with a court order[Remember, at this time the idea that the government would just grab any data they wanted without a warrant was unthinkable].

"These trap and trace orders, though, were not used to identify or record the contents of the communication," said Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the ranking Democrat on the committee.

"I want to hear ... what controls the FBI has in place when Carnivore is used to ensure the program is operated only as authorized by the court order. This keeping in mind the fact that usually the court order isn't going to be designed the way the government wants it to be."

According to Kerr, Carnivore only scans the identifying addresses in the 'to' and 'from' fields but not the content of electronic messages. It also can eliminate large volumes of data from categories of electronic traffic irrelevant to the investigation. In addition, he argued that illegally obtained evidence would only hurt the purpose of using Carnivore[LMAO].

"FBI employees fully understand that the unlawful interception of the content of private communications will lead to the suppression of any and all tainted evidence and any evidence or fruits derived therefrom. In short, the penalties for violating the electronic surveillance laws are so severe as to dissuade any such unlawful behavior, even if someone were so inclined," he said.[*sad trombone plays*]

But civil rights groups and privacy advocates argue that Carnivore could overstep the bounds of privacy rights, and demanded that its coding be released and reviewed in an independent manner.

"The first problem we have with Carnivore is that we don't know really know what it is and how it works. It is something totally controlled by the FBI. It is a black box they have refused to share," said Jim Dempsey of the Center for Democracy and Technology.

The Justice Department is currently accepting bids from U.S. universities that would like to conduct a private review of Carnivore and release the findings.

"The FBI and Justice Department have set out for this independent review so many restrictions and they have put such burdens ... that a lot of good people are backing out," Dempsey said.

Others raised concerns about the potential for abuse, whether court orders are in place or not.

"Although the FBI is legally forbidden from monitoring the communications of citizens who are not targets under Carnivore, the mere knowledge that government agents have the technical capacity to read e-mail messages will greatly increase the uncertainty of innocent citizens," argued Dr. Jeffrey Rosen, a law professor at Georgetown University.[spoiler: It turns out that intelligence agencies LOVE using these tools to dig through random people�s private data and they got caught doing it repeatedly.]

"The costs of social uncertainty about covert monitoring are simply too high to justify Carnivore in its current form."

What this tells me is that we�d by living in our current cyberpunk dystopia regardless of 9/11 or Bush winning. It was just a matter of how soon the intelligence agencies could get away with it.

Apparently at the time we were supporting a fascist military in Nigeria on behalf of oil companies (shocking, I know), so that�s cool:

https://www.democracynow.org/2000/9/4/drilling_and_killing_chevron_and_nigerias

Here was Bush�s healthcare plan for seniors at the time:

Sept 5 - Bush offers health plan for seniors

CNN posted:

September 5, 2000
Web posted at: 11:24 a.m. EDT (1524 GMT)

ALLENTOWN, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush announced details Tuesday of his health plan for seniors, a $158 billion program Bush said would strengthen Medicare, help seniors pay for all or part of Medicare premiums and subsidize prescription drug costs.

"Medicare is an enduring commitment of our country, but it must be modernized for our times," Bush said. "We will work to modernize Medicare, but we will not wait to help seniors without prescription drugs."[obligatory reminder that �modernize� here is code for �privatize�]

Perhaps not coincidentally, the Democratic National Committee unveiled an advertisement Tuesday criticizing the Texas governor for his record on children's health insurance and education.

Bush's plan will sharpen the debate over health care between the GOP nominee and Democratic rival Al Gore, who has proposed spending an estimated $253 billion over 10 years to add a prescription drug benefit to Medicare, the federal health program for elderly and disabled Americans.

Bush announced his proposal at a campaign stop in Allentown, Pennsylvania. In Washington, meanwhile, Democrats are releasing a television ad to "emphasize the issue of children's health care and concerns about the Bush administration's failure to cover more than one million children in Texas," the DNC said in a news release.

The 30-second spot opens with a narrator saying, "George Bush says he has a plan to improve children's health care. But why hasn't he done it in Texas?"

The DNC said it can show that as governor Bush fought efforts to expand coverage of children in Texas, the state that ranks second-worst in the nation in both the rate of uninsured children (24 percent) and the number (1.4 million)[drat, that�s a lot more than I thought there would be].

And, though Bush did approve health-care reforms covering children, "the governor fought us tooth and nail," the DNC quoted state Rep. Elliott Naishtat, D-Texas, as saying.

Benefits on a sliding scale

Bush's three-part plan for seniors would provide immediate drug coverage to low-income earners, shore up the solvency of the Medicare program over the coming decade and offer seniors a menu of health-care plans from which to choose, said Bush campaign adviser Ari Fleischer.

All of those plans would include at least some prescription-drug coverage.

The immediate drug benefit -- called Immediate Helping Hand -- would make prescription drugs available without charge to seniors who earn less than about $12,000 per year, or 135 percent of the poverty level. [this is a ridiculously low cutoff]

The cost of pharmaceuticals would be subsidized, on a sliding scale, for seniors who earn more. The benefit would pay 25 percent of drug costs for seniors who earn 175 percent of the poverty level or more[read: most peole], Fleischer said.

The poverty level for someone over age 65 living alone is $7,991 per year. For two people over age 65, it is $10,080, according to the U.S. Census Bureau [obligatory reminder that the �poverty line� is a joke and designed to disguise how many people in America are actually suffering].

The program was described by Bush aides as a stopgap to help seniors while Congress works out the details of an overall Medicare reform package that would also contain a prescription-drug benefit.

Immediate Helping Hand would cost $48 billion over four years, would be administered by the states and would kick in almost immediately after Bush takes office[I haven't dug too deeply but it looks like he actually tried to do this fwiw. I can�t tell if it passed though as there are lots of articles saying it was proposed but none yet saying it passed.], Fleischer said. A similar program is already offered by 22 states.

The second part of the Bush plan, called Fundamental Medicare Reform, would phase in, starting in 2002, and would give seniors the choice of several health insurance plans, including private plans. The menu offered would be modeled after the options currently available to federal employees.

Single-year expenses would be capped

The current Medicare plan would be one of those offered, Fleischer said, though it would be bolstered with a prescription-drug option.

Every senior, no matter the income level, would receive some prescription-drug subsidy. As in the stopgap plan, seniors making less than 135 percent of the poverty level would pay nothing for full coverage.

For those earning between 135 percent and 175 percent of the poverty level, the benefit would drop, from 100 percent to 25 percent. All seniors at higher-income levels would receive a 25 percent subsidy for prescription drugs.

In addition, a catastrophic benefit, to be called Stop-Loss Coverage, would cap the amount a senior would have to pay for medical expenses in any given year at $6,000. The feds would pick up the rest.[that�s a really high deductible. I wonder how many people would ever even touch these benefits]

Bush staffers touted the plan as a simplification of Medicare, in that it would require seniors to pay only one premium. Under Medicare's current structure, several premiums can be required.

The Bush plan envisions no changes in age of eligibility and no increase in payroll taxes.
Bush camp says surplus would fund program

Bush spokeswoman Mindy Tucker said Bush would attempt to speed the Medicare reform through Congress by the end of 2001, faster than Gore's incremental approach, which would take several years to phase in.

In addition to the $48 billion for the immediate prescription aid during the first four years, the cost of the Medicare plan would be $110 billion over 10 years, Tucker said. The budget surplus would pay for the plan, which would not necessitate an increase in the payroll tax, she said.

Under the Gore plan, the prescription drug benefit would be capped at 50 percent for people earning well above the poverty line.

Medicare enrollees would be able to change plans every year.

The vice president is promoting a $253 billion plan over 10 years that would provide a prescription drug benefit as an option under Medicare. It would pay half the cost of prescription drugs, up to a maximum of $5,000 per year.

Gore has also said he would alter the program so that people 55 to 65 years of age could buy into it.[It�s weird to me that Democrats don�t even really support ideas like this anymore]

CNN's Beth Fouhy and Pat Neal contributed to this report.

So basically if you�re making just over $0 Bush was willing to throw you a bone and everybody else gets a 25% off coupon for medicines (and nothing else) that I'm sure wouldn't be immediately absorbed into ever skyrocketing prices. Please remind me to keep an eye on this story when 2001 rolls around because I�m legitimately curious to see if this actually passed or not.

Here�s a bit on the media donating to politicians which is interesting because I�ve always thought of the media as working at the behest of politicians and it never occured to me that it could be a 2-way street:

https://www.democracynow.org/2000/9/21/corporate_contributions_and_the_media

In lighter news here�s Bush getting heckled on Oprah:

https://www.democracynow.org/2000/9/20/george_w_heckled_on_oprah

Apparently the guy was shouting about bombing Iraq which leads me to believe that we're dealing with a time traveler.

Let�s round out our news segments with an update on the state of the horserace:

CNN poll shows tightest presidential race in 20 years

CNN posted:

CNN Polling Director Keating Holland

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Saturday's CNN/USA Today/Gallup tracking poll continues to show a neck-and-neck race, with Democratic Vice President Al Gore at 46 percent to Texas Gov. George W. Bush's 44 percent.

Although this is the first time in a week that Gore has more support than Bush, it is important to note that this is because of a two-point shift in the numbers.

Because the shift is so small, the race can't be said to have changed at all since Friday -- or, for that matter, since the race tightened a week ago.

Saturday's figures show exactly the same pattern as previous polls have shown all week -- both candidates' support hovering in the mid-40s with neither one able to increase his strength for more than a day or so.

The race is tighter than any presidential contest for the past two decades and the new figures reflect that.

Saturday's tracking poll results, taken from interviews with 664 likely voters, conducted September 27 through 29, also show Green Party candidate Ralph Nader with 4 percent and Reform Party candidate Patrick Buchanan with the support of 1 percent of likely voters.

CNN will be releasing the results on its tracking polls every day until the November 7 elections. The polls monitor public opinion of the presidential race over intervals of two to three days.

CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
September 27-29
Likely Voters'
Choice for President

Gore 46%
Bush 44
Nader 4
Buchanan 1

Sampling error: +/-4% points

Going great!

Here�s what our old friend Donald Trump is doing at this point:

https://www.cc.com/video/57lqhz/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-this-just-in-casino-evil

God drat he has not aged well since then has he?

Could this be the first documented Bushism!?

https://www.cc.com/video/y9uczv/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-headlines-out-damned-spot

Somebody mentioned Lewis Black so here have a random LB segment:

https://www.cc.com/video/quk73e/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-back-in-black-flushing-olympics

Here's Bill Maher for 9/11 of this year (which should be interesting to contrast with 2001):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEA4-Jc2XqI

Hey look I found a poo poo ton of commercials from this month:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNlsPl_6XG0

Marge Simpson voice: I think they�re neat�

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Grammarchist: Jan 28, 2013

Pretty sure at this point 21 years ago I was way too busy playing Perfect Dark with my friends to watch television or follow the election. I also got hit with a crippling anxiety disorder that I'm now attributing to a psychic sense of foreboding.

# ? Mar 9, 2021 20:04

Feldegast42: Oct 29, 2011; COMMENCE THE RITE OF SHITPOSTING

Grammarchist posted:

Pretty sure at this point 21 years ago I was way too busy playing Perfect Dark with my friends to watch television or follow the election. I also got hit with a crippling anxiety disorder that I'm now attributing to a psychic sense of foreboding.

Hey thats me too! :smith:

# ? Mar 9, 2021 23:15

Grouchio: Aug 31, 2014

I was 5 and too busy reading my neighbors' college anatomy book (gifted) in a log house up on a hill after kindergarten.

# ? Mar 9, 2021 23:50

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Grammarchist posted:

Pretty sure at this point 21 years ago I was way too busy playing Perfect Dark with my friends to watch television or follow the election. I also got hit with a crippling anxiety disorder that I'm now attributing to a psychic sense of foreboding.

i was playing with star wars figures and probably excited for episode 2. i ended up going to the philly premier of it because adorable white disabled kid pass. god that movie sucked.

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readingatwork: Jan 8, 2009; Hello Fatty!; Fun Shoe

This was the first election I could vote in and I actually followed the news fairly closely.

I am old. :negative:

# ? Mar 10, 2021 00:32

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

readingatwork posted:

This was the first election I could vote in and I actually followed the news fairly closely.

I am old.

yeah, i was only 9 during the election and i didnt even give a poo poo because i had probably been through awful hospital stuff or was doing third grade school poo poo. all my politics came from my "cool" uncle. so i basicaly became a quiet conservative type until high school until i burned out of it with obama and video games.

# ? Mar 10, 2021 00:35

Freakazoid_: Jul 5, 2013; Buglord

readingatwork posted:

In lighter news here�s Bush getting heckled on Oprah:

https://www.democracynow.org/2000/9/20/george_w_heckled_on_oprah

Apparently the guy was shouting about bombing Iraq which leads me to believe that we're dealing with a time traveler.

Not necessarily! The Gulf War 9 years prior put a sour taste in some people's mouths because, as the US won't to do, we got into another war over oil. It was reasonable to believe we would do it again, doubly so because this was H. W.'s son and it was believed he harbored a secret desire to finish what his father started. As it turned out, the War on Terror gave him the excuse he needed.

This was also the first year I would be voting in a presidential election, but the truth is I barely cared. I only did it because my parents wouldn't stop pestering me about it. I had more important things to do, like playing video games.

# ? Mar 10, 2021 14:06

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Freakazoid_ posted:

Not necessarily! The Gulf War 9 years prior put a sour taste in some people's mouths because, as the US won't to do, we got into another war over oil. It was reasonable to believe we would do it again, doubly so because this was H. W.'s son and it was believed he harbored a secret desire to finish what his father started. As it turned out, the War on Terror gave him the excuse he needed.

This was also the first year I would be voting in a presidential election, but the truth is I barely cared. I only did it because my parents wouldn't stop pestering me about it. I had more important things to do, like playing video games.

yeah, alot of folks were mad at "not finishing what we started" in the gulf because the last major action with troops was Black hawk down and that had been an obviously giant shitshow. plus the various stories of saddams crimes were floating around so people wanted an "easy" target to gently caress up. plus the various air strikes. I was the dumb kid who also though iraq was gonna land paratroopers in my backyard so yeah.

# ? Mar 11, 2021 04:18

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

readingatwork posted:

This was the first election I could vote in and I actually followed the news fairly closely.

I am old.

I had just started my senior year of university :getin:

# ? Mar 11, 2021 05:37

Improper Umlaut: Jun 8, 2009

I love this thread idea and have (comparatively) good feelings about this time so I'm going to take a crack at posting.

Were in :siren:

October 2000 :siren:

, presidential debate month and just 30 days before the months-long debacle that lays bare the flaws with America's presidential electoral system.

The two Presidential candidates squared off three times, and the Veep candidates faced each other once. As a side note, Green Party candidate Ralph Nader who had a small but dedicated following, was not allowed to participate.

There is a lot of material here so I'm going to post the links below and just outline a few key moments from all the debates. If I missed anything, please post.

First Presidential Debate - October 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwQBeMUj_ps

Second Presidential Debate - October 11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irzSo578gmg

Third Presidential Debate - October 17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKDFcOfqGMQ

The consensus seems to be that Gore won the first and third debates, with Bush winning the second. Bush also pulled ahead after the debates coming across as more relatable.

During the first debate, Gore was heard audibly sighing and seen to be rolling his eyes during Bush's answers.

During the third debate, Gore tried to intimidate Bush while answering a question, and Bush just brushed him off. This is the famous "nod".

It was also during the debates that the term "fuzzy math" was coined and that Bush famously said we shouldn't be nation-building, a position he would absolutely stick with and not at all do a complete 180 on.

V.P. Candidates Dick Cheney and Joseph Lieberman - October 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrHX9woYl5w

And of course the S.N.L. Debates, I believe this is where the word "strategery" comes from.

Debate 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDgRRVpemLo

Debate 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY5YctdhmfE

Also this month, Candidate Bush speaks at a campaign rally in Wisconsin on October 18. Notable because he mentions the U.S.S. Cole right from the get-go.

Bush posted:

Today America honors sailors from the U.S.S. Cole. We honor the men and women who gave their lives. They were professionals in the best tradition of our military. But they're also sons and daughters and spouses and friends. And they leave behind shipmates in shock and families in mourning and parents who will bury the best part of their hopes.

These young Americans lived for a cause and died with a purpose. They were patriots and we're deeply in their debt. This tragedy is a reminder that peace is always fragile, the risk is always real, and hate in this world does not sleep. We remain in a contest of will and purpose. With enemies who hate America and Target those who defend her. We must always be prepared. And those who attacked our nation and his people must always be punished.

This is a commitment shared by all Americans. We wish the president every success in the advance of peace in the pursuit of justice. And we pray that every soul touched by this tragedy will find a measure of God's peace.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?159877-1/bush-campaign-speech

And the Newspapers weigh-in with their endorsements:

Washington Post posted:

Sunday brought another round of major newspaper endorsements for Vice President Gore and Texas Gov. George W. Bush as editorial writers attempt to sway voters in the final days of the presidential race.

Though a few of the country's top circulating newspapers have yet to weigh in on the White House campaign, most leading papers have now voiced support one way or the other. Three of New York's four major dailies � The New York Times, the New York Daily News, and Newsday � all threw support behind Gore in Sunday editorials (The New York Post previously endorsed Bush), while the Texas governor received backing from both Chicago heavyweights, the Chicago Tribune and the Chicago Sun-Times.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/early/archive/early103000.htm

Polls had the two candidates with just a few points of each other, in a CNN/Time Poll taken on October 4-5 had Bush with 47% to Gore's 45%.

https://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/06/cnn.poll/index.html

And as a Californian, I found this surprising:

CNN posted:

Some polls show Gore's lead in California has shrunk to single digits as Bush has challenged him across the diverse state. Gore is also trying to stave off a threat to his left in the Northwest and California, where longtime consumer advocate Ralph Nader's Green Party bid has appealed to some disaffected liberals.

https://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/30/campaign.wrap/index.html

Billionaires for Bush (or Gore):

One of the memorable things of the 2000 election (pre-election day, of course) was the group Billionaires for Bush (or Gore). I spent a surprising amount of time on their website.

Wikipedia posted:

During the 2000 U.S. presidential election the organization was led by Andrew Boyd and Jenny Levison as "Billionaires for Bush (or Gore)," with the message that whichever candidate became president, corporations and the wealthy were guaranteed to benefit. The group spoke out under the motto "Because Economic Inequality Is Not Growing Fast Enough".

The group appeared at the 2000 Democratic National Convention in Los Angeles, California, satirically praising major corporations for their financial support of the convention by attempting to deliver thank you cards to Fleet Bank, Fidelity Investments and Verizon Communications.

The Billionaires planned a "Million Billionaires March" at the 2000 Republican National Convention in Philadelphia held the day before the convention. Other activities included a "Vigil for corporate welfare" and an auction of corporate advertising rights for the Liberty Bell.

Democracy Now had an interview with a couple of the groups "spokespeople":
https://www.democracynow.org/2000/7/31/billionaires_for_bush_or_gore

Wayback Machine of what was a fairly cutting edge website at the time:
https://web.archive.org/web/20000815052937/http://www.billionairesforbushorgore.com/

Other things happening in the world:

The 2000 Summer Olympics were happening in Sydney, Australia.

Slobodan Milosevic leaves office after widespread protests in response to the U.S. led bombing campaign in Serbia.

The U.S.S. Cole attack on October 12 killed 17 crew members and wounded 39. The attack was carried out by al-Qaeda (more on them later).
ABC News Story (video)

Violence flares in Israel/Palestine as both sides fail to reach a peace agreement in Paris.

The NY Yankees won the World Series against the Mets.

Finally, an article in Slate that couldn't be more perfectly timed, like prophetic level timing:

Was Nixon Robbed?
The legend of the stolen 1960 presidential election.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2000/10/was-nixon-robbed.html

# ? May 13, 2021 23:31

Alikchi: Aug 18, 2010; Thumbs up I agree

Improper Umlaut posted:

The U.S.S. Cole attack on October 12 killed 17 crew members and wounded 39. The attack was carried out by al-Qaeda (more on them later).

Spoiler alert!

# ? May 14, 2021 19:50

Animal-Mother: Feb 14, 2012; RABBIT RABBIT
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This is a fantastic thread and I wish I had the resources and memory to meaningfully contribute to it. The big thing I remember from the W years was the generalized fear that fundamentalist Christian theocracy was right around the corner. Those people all became Trumpers instead. Wild.

# ? Jun 7, 2021 03:28

Polygynous: Dec 13, 2006; welp

Also at the debates Gore raised the issue of political meddling in Social Security funding. hahaha he said "lockbox". Well you'll never guess what happened.

Anyway Rumsfeld's dead. Burn in hell, fucker.

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# ? Apr 24, 2024 03:11

Animal-Mother: Feb 14, 2012; RABBIT RABBIT
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I feel like I remember the fundies threatening this sort of thing a lot during the Bush years:

# ? Feb 4, 2022 19:39

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