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are any of yall good at identifying US medals and stuff like that? i have an old picture i found and itd be cool to know what they were for. quality kinda sucks rear end though because its a picture of an old picture.
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Post it and find out. The milhist thread would probably know for sure
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Jul 25, 2020 19:55
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I always thought it was neat how the Germans took the Iron cross and just kept "upgrading" it as soldiers levelled up, rather than spamming guy's uniforms with a million medals and patches.
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Jul 25, 2020 23:26
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Blistex posted:I always thought it was neat how the Germans took the Iron cross and just kept "upgrading" it as soldiers levelled up, rather than spamming guy's uniforms with a million medals and patches. Yea but then you don't look as cool as my avatar.
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Jul 26, 2020 00:24
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I'm just saying read "The Good War" there was very much this idea that if you served frontline you were a sucker. A lot of people tried to escape the worst of the draft in ways that would get them into a good spot away from combat, or at least in training for a long time by which the war would hopefully be over. Going into the Army, especially, was the last resort.
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Jul 26, 2020 00:36
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twistedmentat posted:Yea but then you don't look as cool as my avatar. Having shitloads of medals makes someone look gaudy and insecure and is now largely associated with dictatorships so it's actually kind of weird that the Nazis weren't all in on it
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Jul 26, 2020 02:09
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That's because the last 30 - 40 years have been filled with gaudy and insecure dictators awarding themselves medals. Prior to 1939, it was gaudy and insecure nobility overcompensating with medals.
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Jul 26, 2020 23:41
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Also I think the Nazis were all about sameness, and by giving someone a chest full of bottlecaps it elevated them above another. Plus they had an almost Simpons's level of all success springs from the Furher, so by saying General Von Krankenhaus was who beat the 69th Guards Regiment At Buttinsky, that breaks that idea. Like seriously, children born under the nazis were basically told thunder and lighting were created by Hitler, and he is the one that hung the moon. That reminds me on how ridiculous the indoctrination was in Jojo Rabbit, even though it was closer than some might think. Or in Downfall where the Hitler Youth are manning a field gun or something and they're all being willingly shot by their leader. I mean these are movies, but again, not far from the truth. I read a real good book on the fall of Berlin and it was by the same guy who wrote Enemy at the Gates, and that other scene in Downfall where the kid finds all the civilian hung is based on the fact during the Battle of Berlin, the Nazis still devouted manpower to punishing political enemies, in this case civilians that refused to go die to the advancing soviets. You know, rather than going out and fighting them. God they were stupid, its amazing that their ideology is still popular with people today. They're all weirdo losers who want to blame women on why they can't be laid, but its kept alive. Whcih reminds me of a recent Quinton Reviews vid where he talks about BAD NAZI DOCUMENTARIES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maeO6Isb_So I highly recomend watching it to the end becuase god drat is the end of HUNTING HITLER hilarious. For those of you who don't they are given a photo of what they say is an old Hitler, and using facial recognition software they prove 100% without a doubt that it is Hitler, but who is it really? MOE loving HOWARD. Also those Hunting Hitler guys are super horny over the idea Hitler escaped.
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Jul 27, 2020 07:34
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People who idealize nazis are idiots who don't know much about history or choose to actively ignore most of it
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Jul 27, 2020 10:30
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I think a lot of them get suckered in by the propaganda. They were good at advertising themselves.
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Jul 27, 2020 10:43
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Everyone in the world should read The Kindly Ones. It is of course a work of fiction (though brilliantly researched) but the effect on me was so profound, I am convinced in my mind that this is exactly how everything happened.
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Jul 27, 2020 11:30
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twistedmentat posted:God they were stupid, its amazing that their ideology is still popular with people today. It's important to remember that today's people are exactly as stupid as history's people. Maybe more so, since we've had their example to learn from and didn't. Hydroxychloroquine is the new posies in your pocket. Elite pedophile cabals are the next Witch Cult in Western-Europe. As humans, we don't learn. The nazis weren't uniquely sinister, but they lucked out by arriving as the world's collective pants were down.
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Jul 27, 2020 12:28
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Zzulu posted:People who idealize nazis are idiots who don't know much about history or choose to actively ignore most of it Much like the OG nazis themselves. As has been said: Those who do not study history are condemned to repeat it. Those who do study history are condemned to watch as everyone else repeats it.
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Jul 28, 2020 09:10
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Groke posted:Much like the OG nazis themselves. and those who reenact history are dweebs
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Jul 28, 2020 13:46
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twistedmentat posted:I read a real good book on the fall of Berlin and it was by the same guy who wrote Enemy at the Gates, and that other scene in Downfall where the kid finds all the civilian hung is based on the fact during the Battle of Berlin, the Nazis still devouted manpower to punishing political enemies, in this case civilians that refused to go die to the advancing soviets. You know, rather than going out and fighting them. God they were stupid, its amazing that their ideology is still popular with people today. They're all weirdo losers who want to blame women on why they can't be laid, but its kept alive. I assume you're talking about Beevor's Berlin book not Enemy at the Gates. I like the part at the beginning where he's talking about daily life in Berlin after years of war and continuous bombing.
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Jul 28, 2020 17:38
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Books/media on Churchill you’d recommend? Stuff I find online is either valiantly defending him or attacking him because the person has an axe to grind. Looks like he was a legitimately awful dude but it’s hard to find reputable looking information on him.
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Jul 28, 2020 18:22
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buglord posted:Books/media on Churchill you’d recommend? Stuff I find online is either valiantly defending him or attacking him because the person has an axe to grind. Looks like he was a legitimately awful dude but it’s hard to find reputable looking information on him. Churchill's Secret War is absolutely reputable. It's honest, thoroughly researched, and is non polemical.
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Jul 28, 2020 18:29
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he seems pretty cool, he got me £100 off my car insurance. oh yes.
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Jul 28, 2020 18:33
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buglord posted:Books/media on Churchill you’d recommend? Stuff I find online is either valiantly defending him or attacking him because the person has an axe to grind. Looks like he was a legitimately awful dude but it’s hard to find reputable looking information on him. Trying to divide historical figures into “awful” and “ok” is a difficult and usually pointless exercise. IMO, Churchill was legitimately the best possible wartime leader for the UK, from the available choices. This was especially true in the early going, because he had unimpeachable Conservative credentials and yet hated the Nazis with a white-hot fury, at a time when many Tories were like, “Well yes Hitler is a crude little man, but we can’t have *Communism* now can we? Let’s let him do his thing and scold him severely when he goes too far.” The UK public wisely booted him from power after the war and began building their welfare state, before he could proto-Thatcher the place up too much. The Guardian has an interesting list of books about him: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2005/apr/11/top10s.churchill
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Jul 28, 2020 18:41
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Chicken Butt posted:Trying to divide historical figures into “awful” and “ok” is a difficult and usually pointless exercise. IMO, Churchill was legitimately the best possible wartime leader for the UK, from the available choices. This was especially true in the early going, because he had unimpeachable Conservative credentials and yet hated the Nazis with a white-hot fury, at a time when many Tories were like, “Well yes Hitler is a crude little man, but we can’t have *Communism* now can we? Let’s let him do his thing and scold him severely when he goes too far.” Yeah i'm not trying to pin churchill or anyone into a single camp (though hitler and stalin and suck my dang balls) but it was just hard to find info on Churchill, warts and all, without there being an agenda. Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Churchill's Secret War is absolutely reputable. I'll check this out too, thanks homie.
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Jul 28, 2020 23:50
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Yeah the general consensus among historians that specialize in Churchill seems to be that he was an exemplary wartime leader and a lovely peacetime leader. The British public seemed to have agreed since they ejected him from government almost down to the very moment Germany surrendered. And despite what the internet would have you believe, it's possible to recognize his contributions to resisting fascism and defeating the Nazis while at the same time condemning his imperialistic beliefs and actions. Certainly a lot of people who despise Churchill have no problem doing this with Stalin.
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Jul 29, 2020 00:00
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Perhaps the Soviets would have defeated Germany more easily if they hadn’t had a ruthless paranoiac in charge?
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Jul 29, 2020 00:13
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invading Poland wasn't a great look for the Soviet Union. it's a frowny face from me.
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Jul 29, 2020 00:23
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Neither was ethnic cleansing multiple Caucasus area peoples at the slightest sniff that their eternal hatred for Russian imperialism would be taken advantage of by the Nazis.
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Jul 29, 2020 00:25
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Chicken Butt posted:Perhaps the Soviets would have defeated Germany more easily if they hadn’t had a ruthless paranoiac in charge? The purges heavily depleted the officer corps of the red army so probably. If Mikhail Tukhachevsky was still in charge red army communications may have actually been a thing. A lack of effective communication at the onset of Barbarossa dramatically helped the early German invasion.
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Jul 29, 2020 00:39
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Do you think after boomers die off the market for world war II dramas is going to tank?
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Churchill had the advantage because he literally wrote the history of his reign, and it wasn't just some memoir by a crank general.
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Jul 29, 2020 06:21
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Lil Peeler posted:Do you think after boomers die off the market for world war II dramas is going to tank? I hope so. The baby boomers have mythologized WW2 to the extent where its become parody and the actual study of what happened can only be advanced by all of them being loving dead
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Jul 29, 2020 06:23
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I imagine itll be pigeon holed to weird war nerds, historians and neo nazis, like the american civil war.
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Jul 29, 2020 07:47
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I can't see that ever happening because it's an evergreen public domain setting for media. You don't need to license the Private Ryan / Fury "Cinematic Universe" so to speak. That is, nbody owns the exclusive rights to ww2. Anyone can freely use the likeness of its uniforms, tanks, etc without owing royalties. You can set Calls of Duty in WW2 without having to explain who is battling whom. The context is already understood, and there's always going to be a built-in incentive to use a royalty-free, established setting.
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moths posted:I can't see that ever happening because it's an evergreen public domain setting for media. You don't need to license the Private Ryan / Fury "Cinematic Universe" so to speak. Plus it’s a clear good guys/bad guys situation (at least for most people....)
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Jul 29, 2020 09:44
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therattle posted:Plus it’s a clear good guys/bad guys situation (at least for most people....) But why skulls though?
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Jul 29, 2020 13:10
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therattle posted:
conversely its extremely important to understand the vastly hosed ideology of teh nazis and their utterly bereft souls, and trying to experience diet ww2 is extremely harmful to society
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Jul 29, 2020 13:19
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Slotducks posted:But why skulls though? Are… are we the bad guys?
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Jul 29, 2020 14:12
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Sekenr posted:Everyone in the world should read The Kindly Ones. It is of course a work of fiction (though brilliantly researched) but the effect on me was so profound, I am convinced in my mind that this is exactly how everything happened. I could barely stomach it, really repulsive book that made me actually feel queasy reading it. 5/5 would recommend. (Also I'm never going to be able to forget the line "and that's how I joined the SS with my rear end still full of a man's cum")
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Jul 29, 2020 14:23
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a lovely king posted:
this is why we banned fyad
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The Kindly Ones is trash compared to the author’s first novel, Bad Voltage, one of the most enjoyably poo poo cyberpunk books ever written, huge swathes of which are still lodged in my brain.
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