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its_my_birthday
Sep 18, 2020
im not religious is any way so there's probably more obvious poo poo i missed over the course of the series other than aslan being god or jesus or whatever

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Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Anne Whateley posted:

I kept going down the rabbit hole. Tl;dr it sounds like he was in an open relationship with someone and then got involved with this woman. She claims he did what sounds like sociopath poo poo (and, reading between the lines, probably kink) to make her love him and then he cut her loose. According to her, after she went public with it, lots of other women came to her with the same story of being manipulated/abused the same way.

The account is so vague because he sicced lawyers on her to save his reputation. Using the law as a weapon because he can afford lawyers and she can't - truly the actions of a true socialist champion and egalitarian.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

sweet geek swag posted:

The Chronicles of Narnia were written by C.S. Lewis.

lol welp

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

I loved “Horse and his Boy” as a kid because talking horses, and I liked the idea of a young woman running away to avoid being forced into political marriage and in her father’s armor to boot. I was completely ignorant of the racism, as I was to the Jesus allegories of the whole series. I do agree “Magician’s Nephew” was the best though, I still remember the descriptions of Polly walking over the roof slats to her “pirate’s cave” where she read books and drink ginger beer, and just the whole idea of there being previous events to the main Narnia stories. This was back when those were considered books 5 and 6 in the reading order, it got shuffled for some reason years ago.

LorneReams
Jun 27, 2003
I'm bizarre
I was always fascinated that he didn't go out of his way to write it out that way, but it just sort of happened and he went with it:

C.S. Lewis posted:

Since Narnia is a world of Talking Beasts, I thought He [Christ] would become a Talking Beast there, as He became a man here. I pictured Him becoming a lion there because (a) the lion is supposed to be the king of beasts; (b) Christ is called "The Lion of Judah" in the Bible; (c) I'd been having strange dreams about lions when I began writing the work. The whole series works out like this.

The Magician's Nephew tells the Creation and how evil entered Narnia.
The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe the Crucifixion and Resurrection.
Prince Caspian restoration of the true religion after corruption.
The Horse and His Boy the calling and conversion of a heathen.
The Voyage of the "Dawn Treader" the spiritual life (specially in Reepicheep).
The Silver Chair the continuing war with the powers of darkness.
The Last Battle the coming of the Antichrist (the Ape), the end of the world and the Last Judgement.

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

Clapping Larry
In retrospect though the heavy handed Christian allegory produced better books than horny people copying Tolkien.

its_my_birthday
Sep 18, 2020
he did susan dirty

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
the lion is a jesus

its_my_birthday
Sep 18, 2020

precision posted:

the lion is a jesus

that's what i thought from the resurrection but he makes his own world and i thought that was a god thing so i just considered him a mashup

rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe
Did anyone else read the iron tower by Dennis mckiernan

It was a book where a group of small people good at thieving went to try to destroy the last remnant of an evil sorcerer’s power before being accompanied by a stout axe-wielding fellow, a graceful archer man and a gruff swordsman

I think he had actually written it to literally be lord of the rings fan fiction or some poo poo but couldn’t get the rights and so settled for this

It was published as far as I can tell in the early 80s, flopped, then was republished in 2000 when tolkien fever really got going

Killingyouguy!
Sep 8, 2014

no but i did read the first book of the dark tower and that was pretty bad

(uhhhhh apparently dude re-did it in 2003? I read the original version)

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

sweet geek swag posted:

I agree, though I liked certain aspects of the first half of the Last Battle. Once they 'die' the story gets too heavy handed though. My favorite is The Silver Chair because I'm a sucker for Journey to the Center of the Earth type stories.

Yeah that's why I liked The Voyage of the Dawn Treader as well, a trip through strange lands. Reechicheep that little murdering fiend! The book with the not-Muslims weirded me out even as a kid though, he was a little heavy handed there.

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

its_my_birthday posted:

im not religious is any way so there's probably more obvious poo poo i missed over the course of the series other than aslan being god or jesus or whatever

Yeah lol the heathens who live south of Narnia are all thieving murderous savages with no hope of goodness in their hearts on account of being knockoff Moslems

Attitude Indicator
Apr 3, 2009

Killingyouguy! posted:

no but i did read the first book of the dark tower and that was pretty bad

(uhhhhh apparently dude re-did it in 2003? I read the original version)

The revised version won’t change your mind on the book. It’s mostly just added nonsense to make it connect better with the later books. Personally I really like the first dark tower. A grumpy cowboy plodding along in a post-apocalyptic western horror fantasy full of prog rock names written in the early King minimalist style. Thats some cool dumb poo poo!

Killingyouguy!
Sep 8, 2014

all i remember was "two guys walk across the desert, visions with Corn Boy" but i'm pretty sure that was the whole book

the blind guardiandemons & wizards track slays tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FDEcZ5ETA8

sweet geek swag
Mar 29, 2006

Adjust lasers to FUN!





Dr. Jerrold Coe posted:

Yeah lol the heathens who live south of Narnia are all thieving murderous savages with no hope of goodness in their hearts on account of being knockoff Moslems

C.S. Lewis really hosed up there, cause I thought they were really cool which was probably not what he was going for.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


rotinaj posted:

Did anyone else read the iron tower by Dennis mckiernan

It was a book where a group of small people good at thieving went to try to destroy the last remnant of an evil sorcerer’s power before being accompanied by a stout axe-wielding fellow, a graceful archer man and a gruff swordsman

I think he had actually written it to literally be lord of the rings fan fiction or some poo poo but couldn’t get the rights and so settled for this

It was published as far as I can tell in the early 80s, flopped, then was republished in 2000 when tolkien fever really got going

Yeah I remember reading it back in the late 80s/early 90s. IIRC its version of the Shire had a big hedge around it or something like that.

Cornwind Evil
Dec 14, 2004


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Attitude Indicator posted:

The revised version won’t change your mind on the book. It’s mostly just added nonsense to make it connect better with the later books. Personally I really like the first dark tower. A grumpy cowboy plodding along in a post-apocalyptic western horror fantasy full of prog rock names written in the early King minimalist style. Thats some cool dumb poo poo!

I read Dark Tower when I initially got into King in the late 90's and was trying every book of his I could find. I finished it, but it just did nothing for me.

Decades later I found myself enjoying the comic adaptions of what I believe was the fourth book, Wizard and Glass, so maybe I was just was too immature. Still, not a book I'd try and reread on my own.

Arven
Sep 23, 2007
Dark tower 2-4 are legit good books

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

sweet geek swag posted:

C.S. Lewis really hosed up there, cause I thought they were really cool which was probably not what he was going for.

Yeah, Tashbaan still seems a really cool city to me. But my favourite place in those is probably Charn. Dead and ruined and creepy with a giant red sun. Hell yeah.

Ruined City of the Giants probably second.

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Empty Sandwich
Apr 22, 2008

goatse mugs

Dr. Jerrold Coe posted:

Yeah lol the heathens who live south of Narnia are all thieving murderous savages with no hope of goodness in their hearts on account of being knockoff Moslems

the people who worshipped Tash faithfully and led virtuous lives were accepted into Aslan's heart, no? I think I remember a whole thing where Big A individually judged every sentient being in the world. even if I'm right, the whole point is that the idea of Tashlan is an abomination, so mixed messages, buddy.

I could easily have this wrong. the last time I read Narnia, some of you were in diapers. (you know... about 5 years ago, at that convention you like (no))

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