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Cerv posted:I can't remember a single thing that happened in 2 and never watched 3. since all of us have seen 4 we can give you a definitive answer to this question
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Timby posted:I think a large part of the sequels' issue is that the Wachowskis fell rear end-backwards into the first movie becoming a darling of philosophy teachers (and freshman philosophy students) seemingly across the world. Obviously there are plenty of themes and quite a bit of subtext going on in The Matrix, but a lot of its so-called philosophy is incredibly superficial stuff; however, people started digging into it like layers of an onion and considering it this deep, meaningful treatise. I've always been convinced that's why much of the dialogue in Reloaded and Revolutions is so stilted and hokey; they felt compelled to fulfill a promise that they didn't make regarding the philosophical undertones of the first movie. Yeah, it's interesting to compare the 1999 Reloaded script posted upthread to what it turned into after people had a chance to really start talking about the movie. None of the stuff people point to when talking about the overwrought philosophy stuff (like the Architect scene) is in there at all. Like, the original idea for the sequel was a movie where Smith grows a ponytail and turns a biker into Evil Neo.
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Robot Style posted:Like, the original idea for the sequel was a movie where Smith grows a ponytail and turns a biker into Evil Neo. Lol what
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Cerv posted:I can't remember a single thing that happened in 2 and never watched 3. we don't know. we're trees.
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first of all that neo biker scene sounds amazing secondly i kinda hope that 4 goes deep into the sequel lore. reloaded and revolutions are not, uh, good, but it'd be so easy for 4 to do the same thing as the terminator sequels or the batman movies and just basically ignore its predecessors. it's much more fun to see a writer try to get out of the hole they wrote themselves into without cheating
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:There is a slight shift in aesthetics; if the whole series could be described as "grungy techno goth" then Reloaded feels like it dials down the grunge in favor of the tech; the tint is more green, there's less of that late 90s Rage Against the Machine-type rock music and more electronic. I don't know if that's enough to cover it, though. It's really noticeable if you watch both movies back to back. Matrix has everything being more chaotic, dirty and more lived-in. The subways are messy, you can see trash on the streets, even the main characters ship feels like its been in use for a long time due to the dirt and small junk here and there. poo poo, Neo and Trinity have a meeting at a BDSM bar and you can see a pair of gimps in heavy bondage gear dancing in the background. Contrast that in Reloaded where everything's squeaky clean to the point of being sterile, both in the Matrix and in Zion. I'm not certain if there was a deeper meaning to it (I can imagine the Matrix being clean and sterile to underline its simulated nature), or the studio decided that clean things to make it more palatable to the audiences.
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kind of ruins the concept of “the one” if the agents have a binder full of people who can do the same poo poo
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Cerv posted:I can't remember a single thing that happened in 2 and never watched 3. Nah. Neo sacrificed himself for peace between the machines and the humans or something and it was all temporary and none of it mattered.
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indigi posted:kind of ruins the concept of “the one” if the agents have a binder full of people who can do the same poo poo strongly reinforces the cyclical and manipulated nature of their environment though.
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indigi posted:kind of ruins the concept of “the one” if the agents have a binder full of people who can do the same poo poo Eh, there were a bunch of potentials in the first movie that just weren't 'the one', so some degree of reality bending power isn't unique to neo. Really though they wrote themselves into a corner when they gave neo godlike powers at the end of the movie. I don't think (though haven't found any proof one way or the other) that it was ever intended to have a sequel.
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I'd always heard that they wanted to do a trilogy, but to make the first movie the middle chapter, and then do a prequel and one sequel to wrap things up. Apparently the studio didn't want to immediately dump all the first movie's characters for a bunch of new ones in the prequel, so they did 2 sequels instead.
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Apparently this movie is scrapping the sequels and acts as a continuation of the first film. Kinda like how the recent Halloween film did.
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banned from Starbucks posted:Apparently this movie is scrapping the sequels and acts as a continuation of the first film. Kinda like how the recent Halloween film did. any source for this e: isn’t Reloaded playing on a screen in the background in a trailer, plus the Merovingian is in it
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The Synopsis released by WB says it's "a continuation of the story established in the first MATRIX film" and "20 years after the first film, the franchise that helped define pop culture at the turn of the century is back for a continuation and extension of the original movie". This is probably just because they're trying to downplay the sequels since they weren't as well received, but I doubt they're going to be totally discounting them, since stuff like Neo's burnt out eyes are visible in the trailer.
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If they're really treating Morpheus dying in a goddamn videogame as canon, I don' think they're discarding the sequels.
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The Gregory Lowfield script is supposed to be fake. Which is good, because the script has him say I know Kung-Fu and then I quit reading
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:If they're really treating Morpheus dying in a goddamn videogame as canon, I don' think they're discarding the sequels. they made sequel games?
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indigi posted:they made sequel games? The Matrix Online MMO that launched a year or two after the sequels was touted at the time as being the canonical continuation of the series (one of those things where another group of writers had scripted out storylines for like a realtime year of in-game events and missions, and the Wachowskis had "reviewed" them and provided some level of input.) A lot of it was standard MMO warring faction crap, but one of the first major story events involved Morpheus staging bombings inside the Matrix and announcing that he wouldn't stop until the Machines returned Neo - or at least his corpse - to Zion. During one of these attacks Morpheus was killed by a mysterious figure who had a Neo-level ability to bend the rules of the Matrix. It definitely seemed like he was 100% dead, but Sega and Warner Bros. Interactive sold the game to Sony Online just a few months after it launched and the first thing Sony did was essentially disband the group that was responsible for the live story elements. So if Morpheus' death was meant to be a long-term fakeout, they never go to follow through on the twist. (Same goes for the multiple "Is Neo alive" teases; there were a lot of plot threads about how the Machines were evasive about what exactly had happened to Neo's body after Revolutions and rumors that Neo had somehow reconstituted himself as code within the Matrix.) JethroMcB fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Sep 23, 2021 |
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Cerv posted:I can't remember a single thing that happened in 2 and never watched 3. You need to rewatch all 3 films + the animatrix, watch a story recap of matrix online, then read the comics, and scour eBay and GameStop and find the old matrix games and a system to play them on. Play them To completion. Only then will you be truly prepared for the most important cinematic event in a generation
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Noob Saibot posted:You need to rewatch all 3 films + the animatrix, watch a story recap of matrix online, then read the comics, and scour eBay and GameStop and find the old matrix games and a system to play them on. Play them how will any of that help with Dune next month?
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Cerv posted:how will any of that help with Dune next month? Well knowing a lot about the Matrix might serve to prove that you are a human being without needing a pain box test and a death needle.
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Noob Saibot posted:You need to rewatch all 3 films + the animatrix, watch a story recap of matrix online, then read the comics, and scour eBay and GameStop and find the old matrix games and a system to play them on. Play them Cerv posted:how will any of that help with Dune next month? lol
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https://twitter.com/Niftys/status/1455521965180014597 New matrix avatar NFT's... you know what that means..... We can do new matrix avatars in here!
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No fuckin' thanks, wb!!!
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Wondering what they've done with metahuman creator here, because it creates very nice regular human faces and not much else.
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josh04 posted:Wondering what they've done with metahuman creator here, because it creates very nice regular human faces and not much else. I saw what I assume is a "sample" and yeah it was just a regular rear end person with a bit of tech on their face. I was gonna have the joke be that the avatars I'd give out would all be the actual matrix NFT's except I'd be assigning them for free but it honestly looks like the available choices are going to suck too much rear end so instead I'll make some extra special images for our fantastic users.
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I thought they were doing a tie in with chain restaurant Nifty Fifties
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reignofevil posted:The Moontrix.
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 This was in my inbox this morning.
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I mean the machines can do a lot of things but they can't give blood. That's just science.
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reignofevil posted:Nah. Neo sacrificed himself for peace between the machines and the humans or something and it was all temporary and none of it mattered. Small price to pay for Machine Peace.
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