The General posted:

The Something Awful Forums › Main › General Bullshit › Moderator from Somethingawful uses too many words for lazy goons

ArbitraryC posted:

Moderator spends entire workday for a week straight insisting people inherently desire to be productive.

signalnoise posted:

Funny as hell to me when people tell on themselves like this

I can't wait to see how you quote this post thinking you have a gotcha

ArbitraryC posted:

I don't actually think people are inherently lazy or unmotivated or w/e, it was just a zinger because by post alone you're almost 10% of this 20+ page thread, and by wordcount it's probably even higher.

Disco Pope posted:

Well, I don't agree that laziness is a Virtue, but what I would argue is that what we call laziness is usually a stick to beat the depressed, anxious, alienated or unmotivated with.

Why isn't management hiring more people? Do they know or care what's happening at the coalface? Is the employee reporting it and would they feel heard? Does the screaming customer have anger issues or do they understand conflict resolution and does the store give staff the autonomy and training to deescalate?

I feel that you've fallen into a circular trap of "lazy people are bad therefore bad people are lazy" while describing a range of lovely behaviours. Like, only one of your examples is a workplace example, which is what this thread is about.

signalnoise posted:

Do you genuinely consider it to be a zinger to tell an autistic online forums moderator and academic editor that they write a lot of words when they are interested in a topic

The General posted:

It was a zinger, just not a great one. A little too abrasive IMHO. I am not sure if I would rate it a C+ or B-.

Edit: Rereading it. C+. I can see what they were going for, just missed the mark. Not every shitpost is going to be gold.

Disco Pope posted:

Well, someone is too lazy to read!

The General posted:

It was a zinger, just not a great one. A little too abrasive IMHO. I am not sure if I would rate it a C+ or B-.

Edit: Rereading it. C+. I can see what they were going for, just missed the mark. Not every shitpost is going to be gold.

Panfilo posted:

I don't think it's a circular trap at all. I think you might be a little too charitable about why people are lazy, since you conveniently come with explanations that absolve a 'lazy' person of all agency.

Someone who doesn't pay their child support because they flat out refuse to support their child is being lazy. That's bad. You don't need to sugar coat it. "Unmotivated" can be so broad as to be indistinguishable from lazy. A deadbeat dad is 'unmotivated' to pay his child support. How is that any different than lazy?

Similarly, someone who thinks they are more privileged than others is going to rationalize why they shouldn't have to contribute in the same way as others. In a mixed gender group the men might shirk tasks that they consider 'women's work'. When we factor both emotional and physical labor, women typically do more cumulative work in a household than men. Even in households with a stay at home dad, the women still do more. How is that not laziness on the man's part? Hiding behind privilege /gender roles/etc to shirk tasks is absolute laziness in my opinion.

How about the ultimate boogeyman in here-landlords. Is a landlord who uses tenant rent to pay his units mortgage lazy? After all, technically it's the renters who are paying his mortgage, not him. The only ultimate difference is a piece of paper that says the property belongs to him, not the people laboring to cover the actual expenses of ownership. Now in theory, a landlord is going to keep the property in rentable condition and maintain it on a level that keeps people willing to pay rent. But as many goon anecdotes will attest, a lot of them neglect this. Perhaps to the landlord, laziness is a virtue; sheet all, they are incentivised to maintain as much of a profit margin as possible and to put as little actual time and labor as possible.

Methanar posted:

pet ownership is bougie poo poo

Disco Pope posted:

There's maybe an argument that the left has in recent years been more focused on identarian issues, but I think the labour chickens have come home to roost as the amount of people working (often multiple) lovely jobs has grown and encroached on people who would have formerly expected to middle-class. I mean, I personally don't think you can disentangle material concerns from identarian ones despite the best efforts of people who post pastel inforgraphics to Instagram or joyless socialist bros.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, that, yeah, work felt like something the amorphous left seemed to kind of ignore for a while, but there were always people focused on it and it seems to have re-emerged as a focus.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

(And hilariously, apparently a big part of why England is so insane about the existence of trans people is specifically, literally because of noble titles and inheritance laws)

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Thing is those issues weren't 'forgotten' or 'ignored' so much as 'actively, violently repressed' and completely cut out of the discourse. The stereotypical useless college communist is because those are the only people allowed to openly be communists without getting arrested and shot by the cops. (especially since they're usually cops or led by them in the first place) A lot about modern discourse also makes sense when you realise a lot of the online voices grew up in the end of history when material problems were assumed to be going away after we just tweak and adjust things wisely and carefully, and liberal capitalism would obviously take over and rule in peace and stability forever. Things like LGBT+ rights were gradually allowed to enter the discourse in part because they weren't specifically threats to the ruling class. (And hilariously, apparently a big part of why England is so insane about the existence of trans people is specifically, literally because of noble titles and inheritance laws)

Panfilo posted:

How many communists were shot this past month in the US exactly?

There was a goon that ran in the CA recall election who openly ran as a socialist, and was pretty direct and blunt in an interview about his political views and outlook. Yet he didn't end up with 2 bullets in the back of his head.

signalnoise posted:

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Do you know what happened to the Ferguson protestors?

Strategic Tea posted:

There's a lot of terminal engineer brain ITT where any job you don't immediately understand must be useless busywork.

The General posted:

You need to reach down inside yourself and find your inner shitposter. Once you embrace that posts that would never be with your rational mind you will find the source and joy of the drive-by zinger.

Panfilo posted:

Can you give me a number?