Al! posted:

global dictatorship of the proletariat imo

exmarx posted:

i like these pieces on the question of nationality + the left. they don't come to a definitive answer, which is probably the real answer.

https://www.peacelandbread.com/post/how-should-socialists-approach-nationality

https://www.peacelandbread.com/post/how-should-socialists-approach-nationality-1

DesertIslandHermit posted:

If America got to rule the world government would that make them happy?

Animal-Mother posted:

Joe Rogan asked Alex Jones what his ideal future would look like and Jones said he hopes we make Star Trek a reality. Joe did not follow up with a question about Earth having one government in Star Trek, let alone the United Federation of Planets, those commies.

ClassActionFursuit posted:

The United Federation of Planets is simply what imperialism looks like post-scarcity. Your planet invents warp drive and Starfleet shows up and you can join them (and adopt their values wholesale) or you can remain independent and be surrounded in all directions by "Federation space". I'm sure your independence will be respected when you want to make a trade deal with the Romulans or the Tzenkethi or any other planetary cohort with whom the UFP has poor/no relations.

At least the Romulans, Cardassians, and Klingons are honest when they call their realms empires. The Federation does the same thing, with their military being 99% Terran. And when the Federation expands into territory occupied by a power with the will and ability to defend itself (i.e. The Dominion) you'll notice plenty of "Federation worlds" destroyed in the blowback when they had nothing to gain and no say in the imperialist actions that prompted it.

ClassActionFursuit posted:

The United Federation of Planets is simply what imperialism looks like post-scarcity. Your planet invents warp drive and Starfleet shows up and you can join them (and adopt their values wholesale) or you can remain independent and be surrounded in all directions by "Federation space". I'm sure your independence will be respected when you want to make a trade deal with the Romulans or the Tzenkethi or any other planetary cohort with whom the UFP has poor/no relations.

At least the Romulans, Cardassians, and Klingons are honest when they call their realms empires. The Federation does the same thing, with their military being 99% Terran. And when the Federation expands into territory occupied by a power with the will and ability to defend itself (i.e. The Dominion) you'll notice plenty of "Federation worlds" destroyed in the blowback when they had nothing to gain and no say in the imperialist actions that prompted it.

StashAugustine posted:

Thanks, Eddington

Karl Barks posted:

Racism, sexism, globalism... See a pattern?

mawarannahr posted:

ClassActionFursuit posted:

The United Federation of Planets is simply what imperialism looks like post-scarcity. Your planet invents warp drive and Starfleet shows up and you can join them (and adopt their values wholesale) or you can remain independent and be surrounded in all directions by "Federation space". I'm sure your independence will be respected when you want to make a trade deal with the Romulans or the Tzenkethi or any other planetary cohort with whom the UFP has poor/no relations.

At least the Romulans, Cardassians, and Klingons are honest when they call their realms empires. The Federation does the same thing, with their military being 99% Terran. And when the Federation expands into territory occupied by a power with the will and ability to defend itself (i.e. The Dominion) you'll notice plenty of "Federation worlds" destroyed in the blowback when they had nothing to gain and no say in the imperialist actions that prompted it.