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SuperKlaus: Oct 20, 2005; Fun Shoe

Wolfsheim posted:

And plus, his new outfit is homage to Locke from FFVI, so you better reco'nize

needs more bandana

# ? Mar 25, 2007 20:14

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# ? May 3, 2024 10:44

NorgLyle: Sep 20, 2002; Do you think I posted to this forum because I value your companionship?

Fuego Fish posted:

Which is good, adds character depth.

It's people like you that ruined Sluggy Freelance. :argh:

# ? Mar 25, 2007 23:22

Kahrytes: Jun 4, 2004; Now I need a drink. Not this one. Another one. And in a different place.

Wow, there's some horrible or extremely creepy stuff going on in Erfworld.

"If you've held anything back, you're almost in the clear for now."

"I haven't held anything back, mistress."

"I know. If you had, I woulda croaked you. You've been very good, Jillian."

"Tonight you'll be rewarded properly."

And then they just start shooting the poo poo, talking about how one another has been doing. They've done this torture stuff before, most likely... :gonk:

# ? Mar 25, 2007 23:46

Fuego Fish: Dec 5, 2004; By tooth and claw!

NorgLyle posted:

It's people like you that ruined Sluggy Freelance.

I'm not Pete Abrams.

# ? Mar 25, 2007 23:50

CoolCab: Apr 17, 2005; glem

Kahrytes posted:

Wow, there's some horrible or extremely creepy stuff going on in Erfworld.

"If you've held anything back, you're almost in the clear for now."

"I haven't held anything back, mistress."

"I know. If you had, I woulda croaked you. You've been very good, Jillian."

"Tonight you'll be rewarded properly."

And then they just start shooting the poo poo, talking about how one another has been doing. They've done this torture stuff before, most likely...

I don't mean to harp on or appear like I'm defending Erfworld, but again, lesbians and implied fetishism in a webcomic, saints preserve us.

# ? Mar 25, 2007 23:55

Kojiro: Aug 11, 2003; LET'S GET TO THE TOP!

CoolCab posted:

I don't mean to harp on or appear like I'm defending Erfworld, but again, lesbians and implied fetishism in a webcomic, saints preserve us.

It's creepy as gently caress when they're half-midget mittenhands, though

# ? Mar 26, 2007 01:39

Efreet saiid: Jan 29, 2006; by Lowtax

I think the idea of that bit in erfworld was that they're all going through the motions of this "Game" but there's also other stuff going on under the surface. The problem is that i've got no interest in what's going on on any level.

# ? Mar 26, 2007 02:03

Kahrytes: Jun 4, 2004; Now I need a drink. Not this one. Another one. And in a different place.

CoolCab posted:

I don't mean to harp on or appear like I'm defending Erfworld, but again, lesbians and implied fetishism in a webcomic, saints preserve us.

I've no problem with the lesbians. The fetishism is a bit weird, but the sheer quickness they swap from "TELL ME SECRETS!" *whip whip whip* to "So. How's the other side treating you?"

That's hosed up.

# ? Mar 26, 2007 02:15

Spaceship Zero: Jul 24, 2006; The soul of vengeance is a robot dinosaur

Leikr Elferston posted:

I think the idea of that bit in erfworld was that they're all going through the motions of this "Game" but there's also other stuff going on under the surface. The problem is that i've got no interest in what's going on on any level.

The guy that created the world is a fat, sweaty, virgin.

Of course it has creepy lesbianism.

# ? Mar 26, 2007 14:07

Vanadium: Jan 8, 2005

Kahrytes posted:

I've no problem with the lesbians. The fetishism is a bit weird, but the sheer quickness they swap from "TELL ME SECRETS!" *whip whip whip* to "So. How's the other side treating you?"

That's hosed up.

Perhaps they just stopped being In Character v :shobon:

# ? Mar 26, 2007 14:51

Jeet: Jul 12, 2001

Kahrytes posted:

I've no problem with the lesbians. The fetishism is a bit weird, but the sheer quickness they swap from "TELL ME SECRETS!" *whip whip whip* to "So. How's the other side treating you?"

That's hosed up.

I love how you all go "oh god woman torturing woman its KINKY".

I'll call that they are sisters.

# ? Mar 26, 2007 17:37

BexGu: Jan 9, 2004; This fucking day....

Kahrytes posted:

I've no problem with the lesbians. The fetishism is a bit weird, but the sheer quickness they swap from "TELL ME SECRETS!" *whip whip whip* to "So. How's the other side treating you?"

That's hosed up.

It�s hosed up because it completely goes against every single expectation a reader would have in this type of situation. And the comic is even better for breaking that type of pacing/storyline convention. What the two posted above me are probably right: The whole point of this comic seems to be exploring the set pieces of the standard D&D genre and break them when ever possible.

I�m just surprised every one jumped to the lesbian�s angle once torture was brought up. I think most of us gotten bitter to web comics after reading the crap found in Web comic thread, i.e. expect the worse.

BexGu fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Mar 26, 2007

# ? Mar 26, 2007 19:04

bgaesop: Nov 1, 2005; by Y Kant Ozma Post

BexGu posted:

What the two posted above me are probably right: The whole point of this comic seems to be exploring the set pieces of the standard D&D genre and break them when ever possible.

But it has almost nothing in common with DnD :confused:

I see it much more as a spoof of wargames.

# ? Mar 26, 2007 19:12

Jon: Nov 30, 2004

I hope Roy grapples Xykon and screams "Homer Simpson" over and over again.

# ? Mar 26, 2007 19:15

Tupperwarez: Apr 4, 2004; "phphphphphphpht"? this is what you're going with?

you sure?

Kahrytes posted:

the sheer quickness they swap from "TELL ME SECRETS!" *whip whip whip* to "So. How's the other side treating you?"

That's hosed up.

I remember an old Warner Brothers cartoon with a wolf and a sheepdog, only they treated their jobs like human jobs. They would come in at the start of the day, do small talk, punch in their cards, etc. Then they would pretty much kick the crap out of each other, until the whistle blew at the end of the day.

This is like that, only instead of wacky cartoon hijinks, it's wacky medieval torture hijinks :gonk:

# ? Mar 26, 2007 19:43

Tag Plastic: Jun 10, 2006; Not organic.

SuperKlaus posted:

I don't think Roy's gonna die. I certainly hope he doesn't, anyway, because this new "competent" Elan bugs me somehow. It's the outfit. I have no desire to see him leading the Order.

But Elan isn't second in command, Haley is. Elan's pretty much last in command, new PrC or no.

I don't think Roy will perma-die, but I just feel the ebb and flow of narrative demands a big setback for The Heroes right now, and a temp-dead Roy would be just that. Hell, torch the city, 'kill' Roy, and have Hinjo hook up with the Order for a while.

# ? Mar 26, 2007 20:27

clockworkjoe: May 31, 2000; Rolled a 1 on the random encounter table, didn't you?

NorgLyle posted:

It's people like you that ruined Sluggy Freelance.

OOTS is nothing like Sluggy. For one thing, the two fated lovers are now in a relationship and it took only like 3 years for that to happen. :colbert:

# ? Mar 26, 2007 20:31

Empress Theonora: Feb 19, 2001; She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.

While the mitten-hands are pretty off-putting in the context, I actually found how fast they switched from bizzare, fetishistic torture to cheerful small talk kind of hilarious.

# ? Mar 26, 2007 22:32

Wanderer: Nov 5, 2006; our every move is the new tradition

Tag Plastic posted:

I don't think Roy will perma-die, but I just feel the ebb and flow of narrative demands a big setback for The Heroes right now, and a temp-dead Roy would be just that. Hell, torch the city, 'kill' Roy, and have Hinjo hook up with the Order for a while.

Actually, the ebb and flow of narrative here suggests that since there are three gates left beyond this one, Xykon fails to take Azure City.

Kragor's Tomb is a pretty blatant Final Dungeon.

# ? Mar 27, 2007 00:06

Scaramouche: Mar 26, 2001; SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

Rincewind posted:

While the mitten-hands are pretty off-putting in the context, I actually found how fast they switched from bizzare, fetishistic torture to cheerful small talk kind of hilarious.

Yeah as someone else has already said, I think it's more that the "game" narrative requires the torture scene so they got it out of the way and now are just chilling since it's accomplished what it's supposed to. I think there's some good ideas in it but it's all still a bit strange to me.

# ? Mar 27, 2007 00:59

Fuego Fish: Dec 5, 2004; By tooth and claw!

I didn't see anyone mention that

:siren:

NEW STRIP IS UP :siren:

so there we go.

Our conjecture has apparently proved to be correct.

# ? Mar 27, 2007 03:34

Taerkar: Dec 7, 2002; kind of into it, really

What's a Huecuva?

# ? Mar 27, 2007 04:23

Vanadium: Jan 8, 2005

I see the Monster Manual and the Book of Vile Darkness, but what is "FF"?

Also:
http://www.enworld.org/cc/converted/special/death_knight.htm
http://www.enworld.org/cc/converted/undead/huecuva.htm
http://www.enworld.org/cc/converted/outsider/eye_of_fear_and_flame.htm

Neither of these look like Redcloak could just create them from arbitrary skeletons, so it does not quite work, though.

Vanadium fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Mar 27, 2007

# ? Mar 27, 2007 04:31

Iggy Johnson: Mar 11, 2007; It doesn't work if you beg.

Fiend Folio would be my guess.

# ? Mar 27, 2007 04:37

Kramer: Aug 31, 2001; Do you know what it's like to fall in the mud and get kicked in the head with an iron boot?

Vanadium posted:

I see the Monster Manual and the Book of Vile Darkness, but what is "FF"?

Fiend Folio

# ? Mar 27, 2007 04:41

Vanadium: Jan 8, 2005

Thanks

# ? Mar 27, 2007 04:47

clockworkjoe: May 31, 2000; Rolled a 1 on the random encounter table, didn't you?

Man, I thought I was a huge D&D nerd, but I had never heard of eyes of fear and flame. Did they actually appear in any modules?

# ? Mar 27, 2007 05:16

Efreet saiid: Jan 29, 2006; by Lowtax

I've heard of them somewhere, I think they were in the MC. Anyway redcloak doens't really need all this plan poo poo if he's powerful enough to whip up a death knight then he may as well just conjure up an apache from some d20 modern sourcebook and strafe the walls with rockets. The delivery was good, but the power level is getting a bit ridiculous.

# ? Mar 27, 2007 10:43

Jon: Nov 30, 2004

Leikr Elferston posted:

I've heard of them somewhere, I think they were in the MC. Anyway redcloak doens't really need all this plan poo poo if he's powerful enough to whip up a death knight then he may as well just conjure up an apache from some d20 modern sourcebook and strafe the walls with rockets. The delivery was good, but the power level is getting a bit ridiculous.

Well, a death knight can be as little as CR 4 so it's not that big of a deal.

e: The eye of fear and flame is much high of a CR, but I'm guessing that he's depowered based on what we've seen of him. It's okay to bend the D&D rules if it means a better game (or comic).

# ? Mar 27, 2007 14:08

Cowcaster: Aug 7, 2002

Leikr Elferston posted:

I've heard of them somewhere, I think they were in the MC. Anyway redcloak doens't really need all this plan poo poo if he's powerful enough to whip up a death knight then he may as well just conjure up an apache from some d20 modern sourcebook and strafe the walls with rockets. The delivery was good, but the power level is getting a bit ridiculous.

The first and foremost goal of Order of the Stick is to be an entertaining comic strip. The second goal is to be set within the world and rules of Dungeons and Dragons.

Cowcaster fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Mar 27, 2007

# ? Mar 27, 2007 18:07

Efreet saiid: Jan 29, 2006; by Lowtax

I'm not fixating on the rules, but the power these guys has makes a lot of the plot seem arbitary. For instance, who cares if they die? They can come back. Why can the lich blast his way through a dungeon full of angels and yet has to sneak a flanking manuver to take out a castle full of normal humans? What is that super-mega tough shadowy monster even for if they already vastly out-gun their enemies?

I'd be saying the same things in a comc with a bunch of superhumans doing similarly inconsistant poo poo.

# ? Mar 27, 2007 19:17

Jon: Nov 30, 2004

Leikr Elferston posted:

I'm not fixating on the rules, but the power these guys has makes a lot of the plot seem arbitary. For instance, who cares if they die? They can come back.

If the city is destroyed, who will revive them? What garuntee do they have that the god(s) will see fit to bring them back?

Leikr Elferston posted:

Why can the lich blast his way through a dungeon full of angels and yet has to sneak a flanking manuver to take out a castle full of normal humans?

In this story, angels aren't that tough, wereas there are many, many more humans who all have training and (presumably) PC levels.

Leikr Elferston posted:

What is that super-mega tough shadowy monster even for if they already vastly out-gun their enemies?

They don't vastly out-gun their enemies, and they didn't have anywhere near the amount of peons when the shadowy-guy was introduced.

# ? Mar 27, 2007 19:24

RickoniX: Dec 4, 2005; A human or elf?

NO NOT A BADGER YOU GOON

Leikr Elferston posted:

I'm not fixating on the rules, but the power these guys has makes a lot of the plot seem arbitary. For instance, who cares if they die? They can come back. Why can the lich blast his way through a dungeon full of angels and yet has to sneak a flanking manuver to take out a castle full of normal humans? What is that super-mega tough shadowy monster even for if they already vastly out-gun their enemies?

I'd be saying the same things in a comc with a bunch of superhumans doing similarly inconsistant poo poo.

Yeah that's Dungeons & Dragons for you.

# ? Mar 27, 2007 19:25

Cowcaster: Aug 7, 2002

Leikr Elferston posted:

I'm not fixating on the rules, but the power these guys has makes a lot of the plot seem arbitary. For instance, who cares if they die? They can come back. Why can the lich blast his way through a dungeon full of angels and yet has to sneak a flanking manuver to take out a castle full of normal humans? What is that super-mega tough shadowy monster even for if they already vastly out-gun their enemies?

I'd be saying the same things in a comc with a bunch of superhumans doing similarly inconsistant poo poo.

Man, you were one of those people who got all upset when the science-fiction-bullshit plot to Y the last man was resolved through science-fiction-bullshit, aren't you?

# ? Mar 27, 2007 20:34

Boggus: Mar 26, 2007; A yellow jumpsuit makes all the difference.

So what is up with Redcloaks 1000gp telescope? While I am familiar with D&D it feels like I am missing something out here.

# ? Mar 27, 2007 21:08

bgaesop: Nov 1, 2005; by Y Kant Ozma Post

Boggus posted:

So what is up with Redcloaks 1000gp telescope? While I am familiar with D&D it feels like I am missing something out here.

That is how much spyglasses cost in DnD.

# ? Mar 27, 2007 21:13

SuperKlaus: Oct 20, 2005; Fun Shoe

And presumably something the author finds ridiculous if he's making that tag so obvious.

# ? Mar 27, 2007 22:53

Sock: Oct 8, 2001; Do me. Do me.

SuperKlaus posted:

And presumably something the author finds ridiculous if he's making that tag so obvious.

Redcloak's going to return it to the store and get his money back after getting use out of it. Because he's evil.

# ? Mar 27, 2007 22:56

Pieces of Peace: Jul 8, 2006; Hazardous in small doses.

Boggus posted:

So what is up with Redcloaks 1000gp telescope? While I am familiar with D&D it feels like I am missing something out here.

I think it's just to emphasize how freaking expensive the thing is. I know I've had several moments playing D&D where I have this exchange:
"...50 ft. of silk rope, a grappling hook, and... I want a spyglass."
"1000 gold."
"drat!"

To me, it looks like it's just a little mini-gag based on the item itself (not its context or use), just saying "drat, that's expensive!"

# ? Mar 28, 2007 03:23

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Gyges: Aug 4, 2004; NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Cowcaster posted:

Man, you were one of those people who got all upset when the science-fiction-bullshit plot to Y the last man was resolved through science-fiction-bullshit, aren't you?

Hey now. We don't have anything to do with Happy Elf, and think his list of complaints are as silly as you do.

# ? Mar 28, 2007 03:28

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