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Schwarzwald posted:Wait a minute. Belkar clearly states that there are 22 hobgoblins, but Haley manages to kill 24. I'm only counting 22 as well.
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Zoolooman posted:Unsurprisingly, he remained in darkness the entire time. I think this eliminates him as a part of the Snarl, however. He is something very scary that used to be happy living in a jungle. Although, the setting they find him in may be a red herring, since the hunter says "I never expected to find one of these in this part of the world." Plus, that line suggests the hunter is at least aware of the species, yes is suprised to find it can talk. My guess is it's something from one of the monster manuals that Rich gave increased intelligence (relatively speaking, since 3 is the minimum for speech I believe, and it certainly isn't pushing double digits on that stat) so it can talk.
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Jun 28, 2007 22:57
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Zoolooman posted:Unsurprisingly, he remained in darkness the entire time. I think this eliminates him as a part of the Snarl, however. He is something very scary that used to be happy living in a jungle. At this point I dont care about the thing in darkness and whatever it turns out to be will be an utter let down. Its just been dragged out too far.
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Jun 28, 2007 23:33
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Taerkar posted:I'm only counting 22 as well. 
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Brannock posted:I believe 23 and 24 are the same hobgoblin. However, you also missed one on panel 5 - there's a third that she's shooting. So I agree with 24, but I think you've got a mistake or two.  I feel like an unbelievable geek right now.
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I'm starting to feel bad for the gobs now.  Though I guess I really shouldn't, if what that one hobgoblin said is to be believed then even after all the city defenders' tactics and planning they still took roughly 1-1 casualties.
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ZorbaTHut posted:I believe 23 and 24 are the same hobgoblin. However, you also missed one on panel 5 - there's a third that she's shooting. So I agree with 24, but I think you've got a mistake or two. There are 10 hobgoblins walking to her (14-23), and 10 crushed to death in the next panel- with another one living. I don't know where that eleventh one came from, but he's definately a number 24. Counting the missed one, that makes 25 hobgoblins altogether.
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Noonsaliwah posted:There are 10 hobgoblins walking to her (14-23), and 10 crushed to death in the next panel- with another one living. I don't know where that eleventh one came from, but he's definately a number 24. Hey, you're right. I'm guessing there's one standing behind the piece of rubble - there's easily enough space there for a hobgoblin, and in fact, originally I was assuming there was another one there. 25 it is.
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Jun 29, 2007 22:06
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Come to think of it, Gerald Ford would've made a pretty good bard.
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New Erfworld is up, unless that hurts anyone's feelings.
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Jul 1, 2007 01:27
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Halloween Jack posted:New Erfworld is up, unless that hurts anyone's feelings.
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Jul 1, 2007 02:58
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Tupperwarez posted:Haha, Ansom got pranked hardcore. The rest of the enemy column should be easy meat for the next turn or so. Then again, Stanley is batshit psycho about collecting Arkentools, and is probably going to flip out and order Parson to tighten the noose to grab the Arkenpliers.
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Robot Bastard posted:Ansom is currently in range of five hexes full of Dragons, plus whatever else Parson has snuck into the area while Ansom was dicking around in the woods. And, from what I can see, Ansom and Vinnie are the only big wheels in that particular stack; Ansom is going down, or at least about to be severly mauled. Ansom's probably going to be okay, I doubt they'd let a villain die that easily. We don't even know what his arkentool does. They do look like they're going to get a beating though.
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I so called that. I'm not sure if that means I'm a genius or if it means Rob Balder needs to go back to writing school.
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The Wondersaurus posted:I so called that. I'm not sure if that means I'm a genius or if it means Rob Balder needs to go back to writing school.
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Jul 1, 2007 06:46
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Robot Bastard posted:Pretty much anything that could have happened was "called" at some point. Happy that the elves didn't "fire" their bows, by the way? I thought that would get a few smiles from this crowd.
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SuperKlaus posted:Happy that the elves didn't "fire" their bows, by the way? I thought that would get a few smiles from this crowd.
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Robot Bastard posted:I think the next panel, with all the elves yelling 'woot!', kind of made up for it. I'd actually closed this tab before what you said fully hit me. I opened a new tab, opened the thread back up, and clicked the link to confirm what you said. This is one of the shittiest comics of all time. Why do you people read this?
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bgaesop posted:I'd actually closed this tab before what you said fully hit me. I opened a new tab, opened the thread back up, and clicked the link to confirm what you said. There are D&D comics, there are D&D derivative comics, there are FPS-derivative comics, but to my knowledge there is exactly one strategy-derivative comic. The world's interesting enough that I can forgive the story being told in it.
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The Wondersaurus posted:I so called that. I'm not sure if that means I'm a genius or if it means Rob Balder needs to go back to writing school. That's not really fair to Balder. Larry Niven once wrote that the art of writing good detective stories was to see that the reader should guess the ending, but doesn't. All the clues and information necessary to solve the mystery have to made available to the reader as they're made available to the detective, but only the detective should be able to put them together. Balder's writing a military tactics story, but the same rules apply. He's got two additional constraints, though. One is that he's having to teach the rules of the story/game explicitly, which makes it much harder to sneak thing by. And the second is that, fundamentally, tactics are a lot more straightforward than the character interactions of crime fiction. There's nothing he can or should do about the latter: the premise of the comic is that Parson is a tactical genius, and battles start getting won by non-military strategies, then Balder's losing focus. He's got a big problem with the first issue, however. The intelligence incident is a good example. Both Parson and the reader had enough information to figure out that Ansom's intel was inferior to Stanley's -- we'd seen the hat in play, we'd seen the Lookamancers, and we know Parson knew about the hat. But Balder went out of his way to make sure we knew the difference between the sides, and in doing so, let the reader know, "Hey, we're going to see Ansom's side get some intel, and guess what? that intel will be MISLEADING." If Parson hadn't shouted, "They can't see us!", if he'd kept quiet or just said, "This makes my plan better," then it wouldn't have been obvious what was going to happen. Anyway. There's a few things that could happen at this point, but for storytelling purposes, the most likely is that Ansom and the Arkenpliers get captured. Stanley was on the verge of disbanding Parson, and an overwhelming victory is the thing most likely to dissuade him. Stanley gets another Arkentool, the invading army retreats (probably in return for having Ansom and Vinnie ransomed back), Parson is the official Warlord, prologue ends, and chapter one starts. bgaesop posted:This is one of the shittiest comics of all time. Why do you people read this? Because I like strategy and tactics. The dressing is irritating, but so far the tactics part of the story is pretty solid.
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bgaesop posted:This is one of the shittiest comics of all time. Dude, you read the Webcomics Megathread, right? What you're saying is not even close to true - I'd agree it's got some really unfortunate parts, but claiming it's remotely on the same level as the Hall of Shame entries? I mean, it's not. It's quite a bit better than those, and I'd argue that it's quite a bit better than the average, even with the leetspeak. (Consider how bad the average is, after all.)
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I sort of agree. I think all the animosity towards it stems from the fact that its hosted right alongside OotS, which is a much, much better comic. If Erfworld was just out there existing on its own site, I probably wouldn't feel as irritated about its little quirks. Then again, I probably wouldn't read it much at all. But hey, there are a handful of webcomics that I read sporadically to rarely, and a lot of them are, to be fair, a lot worse than Erfworld (Questionable Content, Girls With Slingshots, etc.). I think that the strip is certainly helped by being on Burlew's web-site simply in terms of building a reader base and getting exposure, but its also, at this point, kind of in OotS' shadow. If it moved off to its own site sometime I think it could still carve out a little niche for itself, based on the responses and interest its generated in this thread alone.
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So, I finally got and read Start of Darkness, and Xykon is a dick. Like, he's seriously the biggest rear end in a top hat in the world. You guys don't even know. That book puts a lot of his and Redcloak's interactions in a new light.
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Archyduke posted:I sort of agree. I think all the animosity towards it stems from the fact that its hosted right alongside OotS, which is a much, much better comic. If Erfworld was just out there existing on its own site, I probably wouldn't feel as irritated about its little quirks. if it were on its own site we also wouldn't be talking about it in this thread though v  v
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I actually hate Erfworld a lot more because it isn't completely lovely. I mean when some poor retard with zero writing ability or artistic talent is vomiting up his own webcomic monstrosity, its sort of hard to even care about it. Ok it might be horrific, but he's a talentless hack so its not like you can be disappointed or surprised. Erfworld seems like it has enough talent and skill behind it that it could be a pretty good comic if it got its act together, but it keeps making GBS threads itself up. Its like having a friend who is smart and talented but keeps failing classes and gets a job at Blockbuster because he can't get his poo poo together. You get irritated at him, not with the downs guy who is trying to master shoelaces. Thats all he can do.
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Archyduke posted:I sort of agree. I think all the animosity towards it stems from the fact that its hosted right alongside OotS, which is a much, much better comic. If Erfworld was just out there existing on its own site, I probably wouldn't feel as irritated about its little quirks. However I don't think that it deserves that exposure, as I find it to be pretty bad. There are certainly worse webcomics out there, but that doesn't say much since abominations made by people that have deluded themselves into thinking they're artists are quite plentiful on the web. And saying that it isn't the worst webcomic isn't much of a defense, since that doesn't imply it's worth reading. Personally I think it isn't; from what I had read of it the plot was predictable, the attempts at drawing interest in the comic, e.g. lesbian S&M, were clumsy and unfunny and the Internet catchphrases (An owl that says o rly? Where does this man get his material?) are both tired and stupid. And let's not forget that there were strips that were mere infodumps, which indicate an inability on the part of the author to present the relevant information within the story, and the stupid cutesy names. Erfworld might not be the worst webcomic, but it's certainly a bad one.
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Factor_VIII posted:If it weren't for the discussion in this thread, then I'd have never bothered reading any of it at all, so I guess I know who to blame. The info dump strips were bonus comics. I also think I was one of the only people to... enjoy would be too strong a word, maybe appreciate, the info dumps. There's a decent comic hiding in there somewhere, but it moves at such a glacial pace and the loving internet poo poo popping up in almost every strip just makes me groan.
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Guys, we need to stop making GBS threads up this thread with Erfworld discussion, so we can get back to arguing over D&D rules minutiae or whether Haley killed 23, 24, or 25 hobgoblins. Anyway, I still really hope Doombats doesn't get croaked, and btw, those treant things are loving creepy. "Uhuhuhuhuh!"  (neck snap)
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Halloween Jack posted:those treant things are loving creepy. "Uhuhuhuhuh!" "Heh heh eheh, cool!" "Uhhh huhuhuhuh!" 
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So what's the deal with updates? Has he fallen out of step and is now updating just 3 times a week whenever he feels like it, or is there some underlying method to his madness?
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He had, I quote, "sort of a health flare-up this weekend" so his schedule is all screwed up.
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New strip is up. Also thanks for this thread. I never would have found OotS without it.
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Cecotroph posted:New strip is up. New strip is loving weak. Weak, but still better than Erfworld.
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Yeah that was really stupid. I don't care about (formerly) no-name soldiers from Azure City...show me Roy god dammit! What the gently caress is going on with Roy!? I really hate obvious filler strips.
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Jul 3, 2007 18:06
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Pssh, you guys are cranky-pants. I liked this strip
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Seluin posted:Pssh, you guys are cranky-pants. I liked this strip I sort of like the soldiers! Now that all the other soldiers are dead, their character designs aren't even generic any more! 
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Cyon posted:He had, I quote, "sort of a health flare-up this weekend" so his schedule is all screwed up. I've never seen someone who gets sick as often as this guy does. Guess he shouldn't have used CON as his dump stat.
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Rincewind posted:I sort of like the soldiers! Now that all the other soldiers are dead, their character designs aren't even generic any more! I thought it was a good joke about genre conventions. It's really an Elan strip, if you think about it.
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