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I'd really appreciate it if you guys could spoiler tag Start of Darkness.
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Cowcaster posted:Did you just miss this whole past storyline where Redcloak realizes he's become exactly like Xykon and deliberately goes to save all these hobgoblins he was writing off as acceptable casualties? That's not really dissent though in fairness - he's still with Xykon's overall plan 100%, he just doesn't want to be exactly the same as him.
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Jul 26, 2007 16:48
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Affi posted:I'd really appreciate it if you guys could spoiler tag Start of Darkness. Seconded. Or at least start your post with something about Erfworld so no one will read it anyway.
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Jul 27, 2007 02:04
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Ashcans posted:Seconded. Or at least start your post with something about Erfworld so no one will read it anyway. Thirded. I really want to buy the book, they just don't have any available 
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Jul 27, 2007 02:21
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i found mine at brick and mortar store
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Jul 27, 2007 02:28
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New strip is up, finally we get to find out what happened to Vaarsuvius. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0478.html
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Jul 28, 2007 13:41
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So not only does Elan have a nifty new prestige class, but he's now being taught how to not be a total moron about his spells? This can only end well. Also, for when it goes down: 
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Jul 28, 2007 18:38
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Choke Babies Now posted:but he's now being taught how to not be a total moron about his spells? This can only end well. Well it is Elan. He could probably forget this tomorrow and it'd be in character, or he could remember it and it'd be character development. It can go either way! 
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Jul 28, 2007 20:50
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Choke Babies Now posted:So not only does Elan have a nifty new prestige class, but he's now being taught how to not be a total moron about his spells? This can only end well. It was always weird that his spells sucked anyway. The man's got at least an 18 Charisma, his save DCs are to be respected. Good that it's maybe changing.
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Jul 28, 2007 20:55
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I have to say that I was pretty surprised by Varsuvius. I mean, I realise that a caster without spells is pretty crappy for anything, but just slipping off and essentially abandoning the rest of the party still seems pretty cold. I can easily imagine that from Belkar, but somehow I thought that V had a little more loyalty or something.  I suppose he might have been intending to survive so that he could avenge any fallen comrades.
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Jul 29, 2007 00:11
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A wizard with no spells or magic items is a pretty pathetic thing. The best that he could have done is in fact what he actually did, get out of the way. The worst would be to either become a prisoner or hostage, or even worse some sort of undead spellcasting minion. Granted, it was fairly cowardly, but the dude didn't have many other reasonable or realistic options available to him.
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Jul 29, 2007 01:44
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I'm still hoping that Vaarsuvius happens to have a few scrolls of something-or-other tucked away for a rainy day like this. What wizard doesn't, really?
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Jul 29, 2007 03:39
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Choke Babies Now posted:I'm still hoping that Vaarsuvius happens to have a few scrolls of something-or-other tucked away for a rainy day like this. What wizard doesn't, really? It's certainly possible that at this point he's even out of them. It's been a long fight after all, and the last time he went scroll shopping it was only booster packs, so he may be left only with Feather Fall scrolls.
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Jul 29, 2007 04:28
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While you're waiting for the next OotS update, you should read Wonderella.
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Jul 29, 2007 05:44
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What are you guys talking about? Vaarsuvius is a chick.
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Jul 29, 2007 06:06
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Melvin is correct, you guys are obviously blind.
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Jul 29, 2007 06:21
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We should also keep in mind V is the only party member save Belkar who isn't very obviously good-aligned, so its not unreasonable for him to act less-than-heroic at a time like this.
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Jul 29, 2007 07:55
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Davethulhu posted:While you're waiting for the next OotS update, you should read Wonderella. no don't, this is an unfunny lump of poo poo.
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Jul 29, 2007 16:25
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Jeet posted:no don't, this is an unfunny lump of poo poo. This is true. If you want to read a good comic, try Goblins.
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Jul 29, 2007 16:28
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Go gently caress yourselves; Wonderella is fantastic.
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Jul 29, 2007 16:45
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Wolfsheim posted:We should also keep in mind V is the only party member save Belkar who isn't very obviously good-aligned, so its not unreasonable for him to act less-than-heroic at a time like this. Does being Good aligned prevent you from running in fear/self preservation?
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Jul 29, 2007 18:10
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No, good alignment has a big sacrifice yourself to save others thing to it, but that only really applies if the sacrifice would mean anything. Even if V stayed and the soldiers were of a mind to run it would just eave to V dead with the soldiers. It's not even Lawful Good it's more just the paladin's code.
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Jul 29, 2007 18:23
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Sam Hall posted:Go gently caress yourselves; Wonderella is fantastic. I'm with Sam Hall here, I enjoyed the crap out of Wonderella. Remember Order of the Stick? That's a great comic.
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Jul 29, 2007 18:25
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GigaPeon posted:Does being Good aligned prevent you from running in fear/self preservation? No Alignment prevents/compels you to do anything, it's an indication of how you are likely to act, perhaps even the way that your character should act by their own standard of measure. Really alignment works the other way, Alignment doesn't dictate actions, actions determine Alignment.
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Jul 29, 2007 18:34
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Jeet posted:no don't, this is an unfunny lump of poo poo. I thought it was cute. It's funnier than Erfworld.
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Jul 29, 2007 19:14
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I wasn't saying that because he isn't necessarily good-aligned that he isn't bound to die honorably like a chump (and believe me, I don't want to get wrapped up in anything like the Miko debacle again) I'm just pointing out that Vaarsuvius has never been particularly shown as good or courageous (more cocky than anything) and the fact that not only did he flee when his chances of survival dropped, but he remained hidden amongst the huddled masses while his friends arrived with Hinjo (which surely he would've seen, as people would've probably made a big deal when Hinjo arrived and the Order was with him) isn't at all going against his earlier character. However, if Haley had been in danger and he hadn't stepped in or something of that nature, that would go against his previous actions, but as far as I can tell, he has little in the way of strong emotional bonds with the rest of the Order, certainly so when his own life is at stake.
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Jul 29, 2007 19:17
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I thoguht Var was shown as true neutral somewhere?
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Jul 29, 2007 19:34
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Well I mean even if he's a sorceror his attack bonus ought to be pretty okay, just start chucking rocks at them or something. Also I had a few laughs at Wonderella and I have to agree goblins kick massive amounts of arse.
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Jul 29, 2007 22:14
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Affi posted:Well I mean even if he's a sorceror his attack bonus ought to be pretty okay, just start chucking rocks at them or something. I've never played a real game of D&D but I've always gotten the feeling the spellcaster classes shoehorn you into a single role pretty hard. Don't wizards and sorcerers not get weapon proficiencies and probably dump their lowest ability in strength?
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Jul 29, 2007 23:24
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They can use a crossbow pretty okay since a lot of casters have a high dex score for those pesky ranged touch Evocation spells. I've never played a caster without a clipped crossbow handy.
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Jul 29, 2007 23:27
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Cowcaster posted:I've never played a real game of D&D but I've always gotten the feeling the spellcaster classes shoehorn you into a single role pretty hard. Don't wizards and sorcerers not get weapon proficiencies and probably dump their lowest ability in strength? Wizards and Sorcerers have only a few weapons and low attack bonus, but even 1/2 BAB means that he has the attack bonus of a fighter of ~6th level.
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They get simple weapon proficiency.
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Jul 29, 2007 23:30
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bgaesop posted:They get simple weapon proficiency. Sorcerers do, but wizards only get club, dagger, heavy crossbow, light crossbow, and quarterstaff.
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Jul 29, 2007 23:35
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Piell posted:1/2 BAB What's that?
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Cowcaster posted:What's that? Their base attack bonus is equal to one half their level, so 0 at level 1, 3 at 6 or 7, and so on. The three standard base attack bonuses are 1/2, 3/4, and 1. There's also 0 and 5/4 but those are rarer.
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Jul 29, 2007 23:37
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Cowcaster posted:What's that? BAB is Base Attack Bonus, and is your base chance of hitting something before adding in feats, strength, etc.. Fighting types get +1 BAB, meaning it goes up every level. 1/2 BAB means it goes up every other level.
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Jul 29, 2007 23:38
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Yea, I guess its not the running away part as much as the staying hidden part. I mean, if V is a sorceror, then he probably has a decent Charisma score, and if he's a Wizard then he has to have a decent Intelligence. Either way, you would think that he would have been able to do something in terms of rallying the troops, helping to cooridnate their defense of the boat, or something. At least letting the others know that he was alive and so on, something. Oh well. Speaking of bows, do Elves use crossbows much? Do they still get the racial bonuses for longbows and longswords? Maybe V doesn't have a crossbow because its not very Elfy. He probably just has darts or something to interrupt enemy spellcasters.
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Jul 29, 2007 23:42
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Piell posted:Sorcerers do, but wizards only get club, dagger, heavy crossbow, light crossbow, and quarterstaff.
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In theory, V could pick up a longbow and be a more effective soldier than most of the troops on the field, just because he has the BAB of a sixth level fighter, at least a decent dexterity score, and more hitpoints. In fact, that commander guy who V deserted even said as much. However, that would probably lead to V dying and somehow he doesn't find the notion appealing. I always figured that V was True Neutral - he's loyal to his friends and possessed of enough conscience to avoid hurting othe people if he can, but pretty much without any concept of some higher moral duty that his actions have to conform to.
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Talkie Toaster posted:He's an Elf wizard, so he's got Longbow too. I have no idea how any other race wizard copes with levels 1-2, other than just sitting them out. As a 1st level wizrd, you stay behind the meatshields and cast magic missile sparingly until you find a wand of the same among random treasure. Seriously, doesn't V have any wands or scrolls? A wand of fireball should cost pocket change for a 12th level party.
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