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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Remember that drives pull the most power at spinup, and I'm pretty sure a 3.5" hard drive will pull more than 8 watts at spinup. Anyone happen to have a killawatt, an external sata drive cage, and several hard drives from varying brands and capacities that they could use to test this for me? Will buy platinum upgrade (or whatever else if you already have that) for someone who can do a thorough test. Email me through the forums if you are interested. Sorry but this is something I can do only once, not for 5 people as this is a hobby project.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Remember that drives pull the most power at spinup, and I'm pretty sure a 3.5" hard drive will pull more than 8 watts at spinup. How do you stagger the spin up of drives? Does this require a BIOS that supports staggered spin ups?
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hi guys, i am building a file server in the next two months and i am pretty set on this: Motherboard - 6 sata-ports - gigabit - cheap as chips with 2g RAM and a AMDX2 5600+ my question is for you ZFS/solaris wizards i have been confused by what raidz1 means does it give redundancy if one of the drives fail (i.e. four drives = 750 x 3 + one redundant like raid 5) or more like raid 1 with mirroring. also what is opensolaris like with on board graphics and the rest of the board in general, i tested opensolaris out on an older machine with a old nivida 7600GS and everything except the sound card worked fine (hell it even added my cannon printer on first boot :\ )
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RAID-Z is equivalent to RAID-5, RAID-Z2 to RAID-6. The number just indicates how many parity stripes per row. Actually, no one says RAID-Z1. As far as onboard goes, what chip? Xorg in it comes with drivers for all sort of Intel chips. It also comes with the opensource ATI driver, but I'm not sure if it's on the initial LiveCD or in one of the updates. If you chose to pkg image-update to get the driver or just get the newest bits, be sure to head over to opensolaris.org and go to the Indiana forum, because there's some manual work required (scoll down to IMPORTANT in the OP) due to ZFS boot changes. Each pkg image-update creates a new boot environment, if the update doesn't please you, you can boot back to the pre-update boot environment and pretend you never updated.
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CheeseDog posted:my question is for you ZFS/solaris wizards i have been confused by what raidz1 means The former. With 4 750GB drives you can expect ~ 2.25TB (3 x 750GB) of usable space. CheeseDog posted:also what is opensolaris like with on board graphics and the rest of the board in general, i tested opensolaris out on an older machine with a old nivida 7600GS and everything except the sound card worked fine (hell it even added my cannon printer on first boot :\ ) Don't know too much about OpenSolaris' support of the Radeon HD 2100. I'm sure it will at least support high resolution 2D, but 3D support may be a different story. I would Google to see if someone else has had success with it; try searching for different motherboards with the same graphics chipset.
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thank you Combat and complex! I must note Combat Pretzel your open solaris set up from the earlier pages was very sweet. i have been reading the july 08 edition of the administrator guide to ZFS and been testing on my macbook. Hopefully I will be able to stand on my own two feet when i get the parts for this thing. thanks again!
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Oh god  Keep in mind that going with solaris puts you in the reject group when it comes to Application support from FOSS guys. I've just spent a good 6 hours getting a upnp media server to compile on nexenta.
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roflsaurus posted:How do you stagger the spin up of drives? Does this require a BIOS that supports staggered spin ups? This is generally a function you see on RAID cards. I think the hard drive also has to support it.
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Is the raid controller in this thing good enough for RAID 10? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816215068 It seems like RAID 10 with 4 1TB drives is cheaper than some NAS/DAS solution with 4 750gb in RAID 5 and offers only 250gb less space. Would it be a better idea to use two separate RAID 1 enclosures? That way it'd have two esata or firewire ports to saturate.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:This is generally a function you see on RAID cards. I think the hard drive also has to support it. SATA drives have software controlled power built into the specification.
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Has anyone here ever reduced the size of a raid-5 setup managed with mdadm? I've got a box with 6x500gb in it that i want to shrink down to four drives. (I have another storage solution in place so this box does not need anywhere near this much capacity anymore.) Searching the web I find references to the --grow command being able to reshape an array up or down, but no examples of anyone actually doing it.. And some results explicitly say that only raid-1 can be shrunk but I'm not sure how conclusive this is. It's not the end of the world if I can't, but it would be nice to repurpose two of those drives for something else.
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I've been running a 4x750GB drive software RAID 5 setup in Ubuntu 8.04 for a while, but yesterday something went terribly wrong, and I can no longer mount it. fsck.ext3 tells me that the superblock is bad, but I can't find a way to repair it. All the mdadm commands I try complain about it as well. Is there anything I can do to repair the superblock, or get mdadm to repair the RAID somehow? Obviously, I'd rather not lose the data on it, if possible. I figured someone would be able to help me out here, before I wade into the Ubuntu forums for support.
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Can anyone tell me if I can create a Software RAID 6 Array in Windows Server 2008, or is it limited to RAID 5? Thanks. EDIT: Looks like the answer is no for anyone else who might be wondering. Diet Butcher fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Aug 11, 2008 |
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Just thought I'd let people know that the Promise SmartStor NS4300N is on sale at Frys for $300. It is almost $400 everywhere else. Not a bad deal for 4 drive SATA 3.0 NAS with tons of options. My friend has two and highly recommended it. http://shop2.frys.com/product/5351488
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Yeah I have a NS4300N (got it last time it was on sale at Fry's), and it is pretty decent. Promise has been pretty good with OS upgrades, and they have plugin modules to turn it into a DLNA, iTunes and Bittorrent server. The CPU in it is a little weak so you're not going to be able to saturate gigabit with it, but it'll do standard file serving and video streaming duty just fine. My only complaint about mine is that when streaming a movie from it to my PS3, it occasionally drops out and aborts the movie playback, kicking me back to the PS3 menu. The device then disappears, but shows back up about 10 seconds later and I can start playing again. This could be specific to my unit or even my PS3, so YMMV.
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Alowishus posted:Yeah I have a NS4300N (got it last time it was on sale at Fry's), and it is pretty decent. Promise has been pretty good with OS upgrades, and they have plugin modules to turn it into a DLNA, iTunes and Bittorrent server. The CPU in it is a little weak so you're not going to be able to saturate gigabit with it, but it'll do standard file serving and video streaming duty just fine. I'm hoping the streaming issue doesn't affect normal Windows video playback?
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The OS hard drive (an old IDE Maxtor 120GB) in my home filebox just died on me today. I don't have any unused SATA ports, and I don't really want to buy another IDE drive. I do have an open PCI-e x16 slot, an open PCI slot, and a spare 100GB 2.5" laptop SATA hard drive laying around. Is there some kind of magic part I can buy that would let me get this drive into the computer and use it?
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kalibar posted:The OS hard drive (an old IDE Maxtor 120GB) in my home filebox just died on me today. I don't have any unused SATA ports, and I don't really want to buy another IDE drive. While I haven't had to look at any laptop SATA drives in person yet (only have one SATA laptop and it's already got more than enough hard drive space  ) I'm 99% sure the ports on it are identical to the ones on a 3.5" SATA drive. So, all you would need is an addon card with a SATA controller that is compatible with your system. If your motherboard alread has an external SATA chipset (i.e. some of the SATA ports are not directly on the southbridge) you may need to make sure your addon card uses the same chipset manufacturer.You'll also need a 2.5-3.5 drive adapter to mount it up, assuming you don't want it flopping around in the case. I ran into this a few years ago with my old AthlonXP based fileserver. The motherboard (A7N8X Deluxe or something, Asus NForce2 board) had a Silicon Image chipset and trying to use a Highpoint based controller meant I could only use one or the other. Using another SiI chip on a PCI card meant I could use both, though.
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2.5" and 3.5" SATA drives use the exact same connection.
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IOwnCalculus posted:You'll also need a 2.5-3.5 drive adapter to mount it up, assuming you don't want it flopping around in the case. I got a 2"5 PATA drive flopping around in my server case, no problems yet.
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I dropped the $130 on a DND 323. The thing is awesome and tiny. What I want to do is set everything up, update firmware and start moving data & all that good stuff. I am using two 750 gb samsung spinpoints in this thing. The thing is I do not know what the best way to use the space I have would be. It gives me 4 options: 1) just use the two as separate disks 2) JBOD (I like the sound of this, is there a performance hit doing it this way? Also, if one drive fails, will I be able recover data on the other drive? 3) RAID 1 --- the safest way to store data, but how well is it implemented on this little sucker? If I don't go JBOD I'd like to go this route or use them as separate disks and just mirror important stuf with robocopy. 4) RAID 0-I don't see a point for this option here for a NAS. Does it really improve performance? To be safe, I plan on doing monthly copies of everything to external disks, so I don't really need the advantage of RAID 1, although the extra level of protection would be nice. I am just concerned about how reliably I can recover the data later. What would be the best way to use the disks up?
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Standard disk mode is the best option according to the people at the dns forum. Their wiki is awesome as well. Look into fun_plug and a debian chroot. I have my dns-323 running rtorrent 24/7 and it has been great.
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IOwnCalculus posted:While I haven't had to look at any laptop SATA drives in person yet (only have one SATA laptop and it's already got more than enough hard drive space I wish this stupid motherboard had like, 8 SATA slots. I'd hate to have to pour a "bunch" of cash into a new board, CPU, and RAM for this machine -- kind of diminishes the "ghetto-cobbled-on-the-cheap-and-out-of-old-parts" effect. I guess a replacement IDE drive is probably in my future.
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kalibar posted:I wish this stupid motherboard had like, 8 SATA slots. I'd hate to have to pour a "bunch" of cash into a new board, CPU, and RAM for this machine -- kind of diminishes the "ghetto-cobbled-on-the-cheap-and-out-of-old-parts" effect. Your situation is exactly the same as my own, except I don't even have PCI-E slots so i need to use PCI. If you find a good solution, post it
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kalibar posted:Maybe I'm off the mark here, but I feel like adding yet another motherboard-slot to SATA converter to my system might be more of a headache than I want to give myself. Really, at least in my experience, if you can get the computer to POST with both of them enabled you're golden. The two on your board are probably provided with your northbridge so you shouldn't need to worry about them - in your case I would just go find the cheapest SATA card around with a Silicon Image chipset that fits whatever expansion slots your computer still has available. It should work, and even if it doesn't you're risking maybe $20 new?
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Does anyone know exactly what Intel & AMD CPUs Solaris/OpenSolaris' power management supports? I'm trying to pick out a motherboard and CPU for a ZFS NAS, and I'm shooting for something that will do both ECC RAM and power scaling.
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It supports C- and P-states on Intel, latter is frequency scaling. Activating it seems a mystery though. PowerTOP once suggested it, I've enabled it and it worked. But only for that session. Not sure how it works manually and PowerTOP never suggested it again. Then again, my Core 2 Quad only had C0 (running) and C1 (simple halt), as well only two P-states, i.e. 2.67 GHz (full speed) and 2.0 GHz. Whether that's coming from the CPU or Solaris' power management support, I don't know. But I think it'd be safer to go Intel, since they've Intel developers contributing code for power management and scheduler stuff.
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Hanging around on the OpenSolaris mailing lists a lot. --ninja edit: Where a lot of their developers also post.
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kalibar posted:The OS hard drive (an old IDE Maxtor 120GB) in my home filebox just died on me today. I don't have any unused SATA ports, and I don't really want to buy another IDE drive.
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Well I ditched the naslite software. It really was a pile of poo poo. I got a trial copy of windows home server and will be giving that a go. At least I can test this software out before I buy it.
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Will RAID 5/6 "wake up" my drives if they are inactive? (I have Vista set to turn drives off after 10 minutes of inactivity to cut down on heat)
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Anyone know if the DNS-321 is as hackable as the 323? Everything I read says they're almost identical (the 321 can't do print serving and bittorrent), but I'd love to hear if anyone here has the 321...
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Hey guys, I just moved into an apartment with my friend. I was thinking about getting a 500GB Western Digital My Book World so both of our laptops, my PC and our two Xbox 360s can access all our music files from one central location. It's on Newegg for $129.99 -- is there anything better than this product for a similar price? EDIT: My friend's laptop and my PC are running Vista Home Premium and my Eee PC is running XP Home.
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Insane2986 posted:Will RAID 5/6 "wake up" my drives if they are inactive? (I have Vista set to turn drives off after 10 minutes of inactivity to cut down on heat) If you're hoping that the parity drives would spin down if there's no write activity, you'll be out of luck. Parity is spread across drives. The parity stripe resides on a different drive each row. For that matter, access time updates happen on reads too, creating writes.
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Combat Pretzel posted:What do you mean by that? I think he's asking if it will spin down the drives if he goes on vacation for a week and doesn't use the NAS. Mounting with noatime solves the second issue.
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So it's looking like the whole board inside my box is dead -- the hard drive may actually be fine. I'm looking for a new board/CPU/RAM setup, I guess. Basically I'm looking for a board with 6+ SATA slots and a processor that uses the smallest amount of power possible. I'm thinking that this crappy Celeron for $39.99 is where I want to be processor-wise, but I could use some help on the board. I guess I probably don't want to skimp too much, but seriously. This thing serves files, runs uTorrent, runs SAB -- that's it.
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1. I recently got a 2p ST Lab SiL3512 S-Ata controller card, on it is a WD 1TB drive. The computer will not boot while the drive is connected, but if I connect it after windows is fully loaded it locks up, detects the drive, locks up again, loads it and initializes it. 2. I've got a computer with a 250GB drive that's failing, I've also got another 2p ST Lab SiL3512 S-Ata controller I can put in that computer. Can I then insert a second 250GB drive and buiild a RAID1 set without losing the data on the original drive?
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Your BIOS is probably defaulting to boot from the WD drive attached to the controller card. Hook up both drives and go into your BIOS and change your boot order.
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