|
Halloween Jack posted:Anyone know what tune the greaser vamps are humming? When you're a Jet! Also I don't think we're supposed to discuss Erfworld in this thread 
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2008 20:40
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 2, 2024 15:03 |
|
|
IMJack posted:Being genre-savvy is more important to Elan than being chaotic. The hero can't kill the villain if the villain isn't fighting back, especially if they've surrendered. Yeah, but if you've ever seen Firefly, you'd know that you can at least stab the guy a couple of times in non-vital areas and feel much better about the situation.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2008 20:45
|
|
|
SlimGoodbody posted:Yeah, but if you've ever seen Firefly, you'd know that you can at least stab the guy a couple of times in non-vital areas and feel much better about the situation. Mal and Elan are pretty different. Elan's more like... Kaylee, quite honestly. Roy is probably closest to Mal, in OotS. ...And Belkar to Jayne, and Durkon to Book... Wow. They're pretty similar, tbqh. Well, maybe Elan is close to Wash, too.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2008 20:57
|
|
|
I'm hoping this sub-plotline has the effect of "maturing" Elan a bit. Up until the separation of the party, he's practically been a child in an adult's body. He can still be mister goofy I-like-puppets Elan, but when poo poo goes down hopefully he'll take things a little more seriously.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2008 21:23
|
|
|
So Erfworld is coming out of some kind of foggy coma haze to become more coherent and move towards a pretty exciting set of scenes. OotS continues to drag itself further away from it's main storyline, introduces a pretty interesting side character which dies shortly to block any kind of character development with one of the main characters, and a bunch of pointless uninteresting action scenes occur. Also pages full really boring text blah blah blah.
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 00:03
|
|
|
I love how this guy is playing off every inherent flaw in a hero being lawful good.
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 03:04
|
|
|
tazman posted:I love how this guy is playing off every inherent flaw in a hero being lawful good.
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 05:16
|
|
|
Sorry, my only knowledge of D&D comes from the Baldurs Gate/Neverwinter Nights games so i'll try and explain why I thought that. From Elan's perspective the guy was clearly Evil, so killing him would have been an inherent Good act. However because he surrendered it would have been a Chaotic Act as surrendering would force a Lawful character to submit to the law of not killing prisoners. So Elan not killing the guy when he went there with the intent on doing that, would be considered Lawful right? Am I wrong in this or just overthinking way way too much? (Or is Elan just Neutral Good?)
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 09:42
|
|
|
Just because someone's Evil doesn't automatically make it a Good act to kill them, is the issue.
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 09:45
|
|
|
tazman posted:Am I wrong in this or just overthinking way way too much? (Or is Elan just Neutral Good?) I'm pretty sure Elan's supposed to be Chaotic Good. But yes, killing a (more or less) helpless prisoner who's surrendered isn't very Good either.
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 09:46
|
|
|
tazman posted:Sorry, my only knowledge of D&D comes from the Baldurs Gate/Neverwinter Nights games so i'll try and explain why I thought that. From Elan's perspective the guy was clearly Evil, so killing him would have been an inherent Good act. However because he surrendered it would have been a Chaotic Act as surrendering would force a Lawful character to submit to the law of not killing prisoners. So Elan not killing the guy when he went there with the intent on doing that, would be considered Lawful right? Depends on whether you think there's any subjectivity within a given alignment. Elan's Chaotic Good response is "It would be wrong to kill an enemy who surrendered, but I am not opposed to giving you a good beating." My Chaotic Good response to that situation is "You are an expert at manipulating Lawful justice to worm out of paying for your horrible crimes, so I'm going to run you through, ensuring that you don't escape and sparing you from death by drowning." Of course, characters don't act in accordance with their alignment 100% of the time anyway. D&D doesn't have a system of giving characters Law points, Chaos points, Good points, and Evil points, so there's no reason for us to do it, either. Wait for the Stormbringer webcomic.
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 13:45
|
|
|
Elan could be slowly shifting his alligment, too. That was definetly not a chaotic good act that he did, as a DM I would consider switching him to neutral good.
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 14:45
|
|
|
Why exactly would you change a character's alignment for a single act of punching someone in the face while angry about a murder?
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 16:25
|
|
|
Halloween Jack posted:Depends on whether you think there's any subjectivity within a given alignment. Elan's Chaotic Good response is "It would be wrong to kill an enemy who surrendered, but I am not opposed to giving you a good beating." My Chaotic Good response to that situation is "You are an expert at manipulating Lawful justice to worm out of paying for your horrible crimes, so I'm going to run you through, ensuring that you don't escape and sparing you from death by drowning."
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 16:32
|
|
|
So, who wants to take bets that the dinghy is going to start sinking, and all of that +5 armor is suddenly going to become a liability for Mr. Mean? I can't be the only one to see that happening.
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 17:15
|
|
|
tripwood posted:Elan could be slowly shifting his alligment, too. That was definetly not a chaotic good act that he did, as a DM I would consider switching him to neutral good. DMs who considers changing someone's alignment after one act need to re-think this whole alignment thing. My favorite way to use it was to get rid of it entirely expect for supernatural good or evil (angels and demons).
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 17:26
|
|
|
terminal mehmet posted:DMs who considers changing someone's alignment after one act need to re-think this whole alignment thing. My favorite way to use it was to get rid of it entirely expect for supernatural good or evil (angels and demons). I totally agree, alignment is mostly useful for some rules stuff concerning particular weapon enchantments or spells with an alignment descriptor. If a character in a game does something and someone starts droning on about how a character of that particular alignment would just *obviously* never do that, they're ruining the game.
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 18:57
|
|
|
Tuxedo Ted posted:So, who wants to take bets that the dinghy is going to start sinking, and all of that +5 armor is suddenly going to become a liability for Mr. Mean? Perhaps that's because it's pointed out directly in panel 5. Good catch.
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 19:11
|
|
|
Acts that immediately change your alignment immedately (unless already evil): Necrophilia Bisecting an unarmed octogenarian Genocide Baking kittens into a pie Stabbing people for taking up too much room. Acts that don't change you unless you repeat them over and over: Punching villains in the face for killing a friend.
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 20:08
|
|
|
NutShellBill posted:Acts that immediately change your alignment immedately (unless already evil): Immediate genocide would be quite the accomplishment for an evil-in-the-making character. "I'll just release this neurotoxin for giggles!"
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 20:26
|
|
|
NutShellBill posted:Acts that immediately change your alignment immedately (unless already evil): What if you genocide an evil race? 
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 21:58
|
|
|
Idunno, man, few races are all inherently evil. I'd probably give someone a pass on committing genocide against the Neogi. Motivation is important, though. If you release a plague to wipe out a Neogi planet to stop the spread of their empire, morally questionable, but Good-ish Neutral. If you release the virus because you're curious what it sounds like when an entire planet's population shrieks as their flesh bubbles and pops, Evil, even if the victim was Evil.
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 22:03
|
|
|
Vanadium posted:What if you genocide an evil race? This actually comes up in Mass Effect. But to be fair, the race is almost wiped out anyway, and you get all sorts of evil points for going through with it.
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 22:11
|
|
|
Wolfsheim posted:This actually comes up in Mass Effect. But to be fair, the race is almost wiped out anyway, and you get all sorts of evil points for going through with it. I always figured it was more evil to let them live, recover and wreck vengeance on the universe.
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 22:34
|
|
|
New strip is up and V does what we all secretly hoped someone would do!
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 22:38
|
|
|
Ha, for some reason the Gust of Wind is much more bad-rear end than the disintegrate.
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 22:48
|
|
|
That...that was...that was beautiful. Get some sleep, V.
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 22:54
|
|
|
 That was... perfect. Nice going, V.
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 22:58
|
|
|
V is my hero now - the Gust of Wind just seals the deal.
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 23:10
|
|
|
Nooooooo, he blew all the expensive AC boosting items overboard.
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 23:16
|
|
|
Now THAT is going from Neutral to Chaotic in a few actions. Granted, V's been getting grosser and more chaotic-looking over quite some time now, but that definitely seals the deal.
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 23:33
|
|
|
terminal mehmet posted:DMs who considers changing someone's alignment after one act need to re-think this whole alignment thing. My favorite way to use it was to get rid of it entirely expect for supernatural good or evil (angels and demons). I wouldn't just plain change it, I would add some points toward neutrality and a few extra for Good. He chose not to act, how can that be anything but neutral? It's not an act that carries any kind of chaos.
|
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 23:57
|
|
|
Calaveron posted:Now THAT is going from Neutral to Chaotic in a few actions. Not really. Kubota is the textbook example of someone who can make a Neutral character say "He always circumvents the law. Just kill him." And V's right, Kubota really is a distraction from much more important business. Don't know why everyone has a big, wet hardon for the characters to have their alignment shifted. Is this a World of Darkness webcomic and no one told me? Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Sep 23, 2008 |
|
#
?
Sep 22, 2008 23:58
|
|
|
I am sorry for ever doubting V.
|
|
#
?
Sep 23, 2008 00:03
|
|
|
V's gonna be a lich by the end of the series, mark my words.
|
|
#
?
Sep 23, 2008 00:18
|
|
|
tripwood posted:I wouldn't just plain change it, I would add some points toward neutrality and a few extra for Good. He chose not to act, how can that be anything but neutral? It's not an act that carries any kind of chaos. I hate arguments like this. Today's strip was fan-loving-tastic.
|
|
#
?
Sep 23, 2008 00:28
|
|
|
I'm torn. On the one hand, Kabuto had that coming. And they certainly can go back to saving the world now. On the other hand, that strikes as something Belkar would have done. That's definitely on the cusp of something that might change your alignment. They're going to have to knock V out and get the elf some sleep. At any rate, evil abhors a vacuum. Just because V dusted one daimyo doesn't mean there aren't 6 other to take their place. We'll see if this gets the plot back on track.
|
|
#
?
Sep 23, 2008 00:42
|
|
|
Rennej posted:
|
|
#
?
Sep 23, 2008 00:51
|
|
|
Bremen posted:Nooooooo, he blew all the expensive AC boosting items overboard. This was my thought too. V, you're smart enough to make more efficient use of available resources than that! Of course, maybe V just wanted to make sure there wasn't any evidence that the Order had killed a powerful nobleman lying around.
|
|
#
?
Sep 23, 2008 00:53
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 2, 2024 15:03 |
|
|
Sefer posted:This was my thought too. V, you're smart enough to make more efficient use of available resources than that! I think that was it. Hahaha, this was such an awesome strip. Now get back to the goddamn story!
|
|
#
?
Sep 23, 2008 01:43
|
|
