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pugna posted:But if Varg stays in prison forever, we'll never get that new Burzum album. Which would be really, really gay. No it wouldn't.
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Just ask any first year guitar student to fumble around pentatonic scales, slowly, over and over again and it'll be just like a burzum record.
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Oct 1, 2008 19:00
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You're forgetting one crucial piece of equipment:
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Oct 1, 2008 19:38
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Morbid Florist posted:I agree, gently caress him sideways. Not for anything he did, but for being such an ego maniacal dildo. nice to see some people still don't know poo poo about Varg edit: oh god, your next post made it even better  It sucks so bad that he's not being let out. Oh well, hosed up laws.
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Oct 1, 2008 19:41
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varg is an indefensible moron, this is indisputable.
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cryme posted:varg is an indefensible moron, this is indisputable. Could you squeeze a few more "gently caress varg i hate him" posts in this thread please?
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IntoTheNihil posted:It sucks so bad that he's not being let out. Oh well, hosed up laws.
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Oct 1, 2008 20:55
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IntoTheNihil posted:nice to see some people still don't know poo poo about Varg Well you put a lot of thought into proving us all wrong. This must have taken you an hour to research and write. He's a joke on wheels, even moreso now with his white power faggotry.
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Oct 1, 2008 21:13
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het posted:I'm not clear on what's hosed up about the laws here. He committed crimes, was convicted, and then when let out on temporary leave he tried to escape and was found in possession of fraudulent papers and a fully automatic rifle. Don't forget the carjacking!  I'm not feeling a lot of sympathy here for Varg.
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C'mon he burned down churches and believes in a relationship between race and intelligence, that's really deep
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IntoTheNihil posted:Could you squeeze a few more "gently caress varg i hate him" posts in this thread please? Yeah here's one: "gently caress Varg, I Hate Him, He Made One Good Album And There Is No Reason To Assume He Would Make Another One, Also He Is Pretty Bad As Humans Go"
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Morbid: I don't really care to prove anything but you calling him an attention whore is pretty ridiculous. Black metal is 99% attention and 1% music but he easily falls into the latter.het posted:I'm not clear on what's hosed up about the laws here. He committed crimes, was convicted, and then when let out on temporary leave he tried to escape and was found in possession of fraudulent papers and a fully automatic rifle. The whole situation is just a total mess. There's not much else to it. I should've noted I meant that I wanted him out prior to escaping and all that. I still want him out but I realize why he's not.
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het posted:I'm not clear on what's hosed up about the laws here. He committed crimes, was convicted, and then when let out on temporary leave he tried to escape and was found in possession of fraudulent papers and a fully automatic rifle. Actually, it later turned out that he didn't have an AG-3 on him. The police found the weapon in a cabin that Vikernes could have spent the night in, but this was never proven and he wasn't convicted for it. Also, it is completely unrealistic that he will spend the rest of his life in prison. The place he is at now is basically like a halfway house, and it's just a matter of years (if that) before he is released. I'm not condoning anything he's done, just trying to set the record straight.
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Haha, people actually trying to impress each other by saying "Burzum wasn't THAT good" never cease to make me laugh. I mean, I'm not one to uphold sacred cows simply by virtue of convention, but saying Burzum is less than essential is like eating glue on my scale of retardation.
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Nobody is arguing his place in the canon you loving idiot we're saying that he's just a bad person in general He and DMX would get along ok if varg could just get over that whole friend of the family thing
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IntoTheNihil posted:The whole situation is just a total mess. There's not much else to it. I should've noted I meant that I wanted him out prior to escaping and all that. I still want him out but I realize why he's not. I'm genuinely curious - why do you want him out? I haven't been following the Norwegian Black Metal Soap Opera scene.
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IntoTheNihil posted:The whole situation is just a total mess. There's not much else to it. Caerus posted:The police found the weapon in a cabin that Vikernes could have spent the night in, but this was never proven and he wasn't convicted for it.
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het posted:He burned churches to the ground and killed a man. He was convicted for those crimes, sentenced to prison time, had that prison time reduced, and still he tried to escape; I don't see how there's any argument over the justification of his parole being turned down. This is pretty straight-forward. Well, the argument has been that he is being treated harsher than other convicts in a similar position. Even when taking into account the escape attempt he would normally have been released by now. I personally think he should spend a lot more time in prison, but the reasoning behind this should be that he was convicted for a brutal murder and arson. It should not be that he is some nazi satanist boogeyman, which certain people in the Department of Criminal Justice seem to think.
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Caerus posted:Well, the argument has been that he is being treated harsher than other convicts in a similar position. There are other Norwegians who have become neo-fascists, murdered their bandmates, and burned churches in the name of Satan?
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het posted:He burned churches to the ground and killed a man. He was convicted for those crimes, sentenced to prison time, had that prison time reduced, and still he tried to escape; I don't see how there's any argument over the justification of his parole being turned down. This is pretty straight-forward. Never try to reason with 18-year-old norsecore fanboys because they always know so much more about what happened in 1995 than you do and Varg is clearly a misunderstood genius, plus they can relate to him because living in their parents' basement is much like being sentenced to life in prison
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Ah yes, straw mans over Varg Vikernes. Just what I've always wanted to hear. He's a horrible person but lots of bands have him as an influence, and his music (sans the prison albums which are terrible) aren't all that bad. Here's hoping he'll make Filosofem 2 and not daudi baldurs or something.
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Caerus posted:Well, the argument has been that he is being treated harsher than other convicts in a similar position. Even when taking into account the escape attempt he would normally have been released by now. I personally think he should spend a lot more time in prison, but the reasoning behind this should be that he was convicted for a brutal murder and arson. It should not be that he is some nazi satanist boogeyman, which certain people in the Department of Criminal Justice seem to think. het fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Oct 2, 2008 |
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I think the point is that he's had a much harsher sentence than other criminals convicted of similar crimes. I'm not sure if anything good will come out of releasing him, but to keep up the appearance of a just legal system they have to let him out sooner or later.
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I quite enjoyed Det Som Engang Var and Filosofem, and assumed everything else he released was a hairy ballsack. Did i miss anything?
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Qu Appelle posted:I'm genuinely curious - why do you want him out? I haven't been following the Norwegian Black Metal Soap Opera scene. Dyna Soar posted:I think the point is that he's had a much harsher sentence than other criminals convicted of similar crimes.
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IntoTheNihil posted:I'd like to see good black metal still come out. There's about a handful of solid bands around anymore. Nothing wrong with classics but it's sad to have such a dead and stale genre.
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modernlifeisadam posted:I reaaallly don't see how BM is a "dead and stale" genre, maybe if you listen to 1349/anything else on candlelight as a indication of how the BM scene is doing, sure. But IMO quite a few bands are making interesting poo poo these days, maybe not as much as a year or 2 ago, but I'd say it's hardly "dead and stale" If I could find more like one decent band a month i'd be alright with it.
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IntoTheNihil posted:Morbid: I don't really care to prove anything but you calling him an attention whore is pretty ridiculous. Yeah that book packed with interviews he's given is a sure sign to me that the guy doesn't want attention. I know when I lay low the first thing I do is call the papers and a photographer and rant about how everyone and everything BUT me is the root of my problems.
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Morbid Florist posted:Yeah that book packed with interviews he's given is a sure sign to me that the guy doesn't want attention. I know when I lay low the first thing I do is call the papers and a photographer and rant about how everyone and everything BUT me is the root of my problems. So wait, giving interviews about being in the biggest event in a genre's history is grabbing for attention?
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IntoTheNihil posted:So wait, giving interviews about being in the biggest event in a genre's history is grabbing for attention? It's the definition of it. Publicity = attention
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IntoTheNihil posted:I guess musicians should just run away and hide whenever someone wants to know their side of the story. You're the one that called him an attention whore, so answer that one yourself. But if a band (even a one man band) wants to act like the genre wouldn't exist without him, kills the figurehead of said genre, they're not giving a side of a story, they're being an ego maniacal dildo. Morbid Florist fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Oct 2, 2008 |
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Qu Appelle posted:There are other Norwegians who have become neo-fascists, murdered their bandmates, and burned churches in the name of Satan? Well, that's my whole point. The neo-fascist satanist thing isn't relevant. Murder and arson is, and there are certainly a lot of people who have been convicted of that throughout the years. 02-6611-0142-1 posted:I quite enjoyed Det Som Engang Var and Filosofem, and assumed everything else he released was a hairy ballsack. Did i miss anything? Well, I would say that Hvis Lyset Tar Oss is pretty good.
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Morbid Florist posted:You're the one that called him an attention whore, so answer that one yourself. But if a band (even a one man band) wants to act like the genre wouldn't exist without him, kills the figurehead of said genre, they're not giving a side of a story, they're being an ego maniacal dildo. Varg was the one that last changed the genre and created an entire (and now terrible) sub genre. He's done more for black metal than almost anyone. Euronymous was a worthless human being and did hardly anything notable. I complete agree with the pro-Varg side of it that says Euro wanted to torture Varg.
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IntoTheNihil posted:Varg was the one that last changed the genre and created an entire (and now terrible) sub genre. He's done more for black metal than almost anyone. Euronymous was a worthless human being and did hardly anything notable. I complete agree with the pro-Varg side of it that says Euro wanted to torture Varg. So you are seriously advocating killing people that are "worthless" as human beings? Or are just saying that for fun. pugna posted:If you don't think every album up to and including Filosofem is essential black metal listening you're dumb. I don't think anyone is disputing his influence on the genre - just his continued importance and necessity. Kaiho fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Oct 2, 2008 |
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modernlifeisadam posted:Am I reading too much into your post, or is this some 1349 hate? That'd be too bad if it was. 1349 owns.
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Not Very Metal posted:Am I reading too much into your post, or is this some 1349 hate?
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Not Very Metal posted:Am I reading too much into your post, or is this some 1349 hate? No, I like 1349, but they're pretty archetypal, and if you listen solely to bands like them, and Marduk, etc I can see how one would think the genre is "dead and stale"
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