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Morbid Florist posted:http://www.myspace.com/amesoeurs Maybe there's more to black metal than what you like.
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Morbid Florist posted:http://www.myspace.com/amesoeurs amesoeurs and that whole french thing has ton of cred though
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Nov 11, 2008 21:38
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Dyna Soar posted:Maybe there's more to black metal than what you like. hipster spotted
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Nov 12, 2008 00:53
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Heh, Ruines Humaines was probably my favorite 2006 release.
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Nov 12, 2008 04:38
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So, anyone else going to Horna tomorrow in Tampa?
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Nov 12, 2008 04:54
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Morbid Florist posted:Black metal isn't supposed to put you to sleep. Then I wouldn't call Amesoeurs BM either. There are elements of BM in their music, but it not fall under the black metal umbrella. There, everybody is happy.
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Nov 12, 2008 14:13
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Oh please. There are elements of post-punk in their sound, but the foundation is undeniably black metal.
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Nov 12, 2008 14:34
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What do you call The Angelic Process? Not black metal, surely.
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Nov 12, 2008 15:01
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Kaiho posted:What do you call The Angelic Process? They call their music ambient drone metal, go figure. It's the saddest loving thing that K. Angylus died in june. RIP.
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Nov 12, 2008 17:51
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Dyna Soar posted:It's the saddest loving thing that K. Angylus died in june. RIP. He killed himself. Mordekai posted:Then I wouldn't call Amesoeurs BM either. There are elements of BM in their music, but it not fall under the black metal umbrella. There, everybody is happy. The same exact thing was said about ved buens ende 12 years ago. Its like when hip hop people say something isnt "real". This is the reason death metal sort of stagnated from the mid 90s to mid 00s. People wouldnt accept change so it was a bunch of bands repeating themselves or emulating someone else. At this point if theres no progression in black metal its done. I was writing BM zines in the mid to late 90s and it seemed so full of potential and now its starting to seriously stagnate for various reasons but records will continue to be released because its an industry now. I've gone from finding 5 or 6 really good albums a year to maybe 1 or 2. DB_Cooper fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Nov 12, 2008 |
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Nov 12, 2008 18:52
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DB_Cooper posted:He killed himself. Yeah I know, such a shame.
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Nov 12, 2008 19:15
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DB_Cooper posted:At this point if theres no progression in black metal its done. If incorporating shoegaze and pop rock into black metal is all that will save it, hand me a box of nails and a hammer to drive the coffin shut. I'd rather see it die completely than go where death metal has.
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Nov 12, 2008 19:52
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Morbid Florist posted:If incorporating shoegaze and pop rock into black metal is all that will save it, hand me a box of nails and a hammer to drive the coffin shut. I'd rather see it die completely than go where death metal has.
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Nov 12, 2008 20:57
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Morbid Florist posted:If incorporating shoegaze and pop rock into black metal is all that will save it, hand me a box of nails and a hammer to drive the coffin shut. I'd rather see it die completely than go where death metal has. So black metal is just a niche music genre for you and you arent interested in keeping it going because of personal taste... You a singular person want to dictate how the entire genre sounds because its what you'd like to listen to? Tens of thousands of people are contributing to the genre but your opinion is more important. I've been on multiple sides of the genre from writing zines when i was kid, making crappy music and helping Joe C. with vendlus so maybe my view is different. Or are you just young and naive?
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Nov 12, 2008 20:57
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Look, it's a shame that most of the traditional Norwegian black metal bands have died out, but at least the fine strapping lads of Orange County have stepped up to deliver quality black metal in their absence.
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Nov 12, 2008 21:14
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Misogynist posted:I don't think anybody other than rabid fans has ever implied that anyone is trying to "save" anything. It's a bunch of dudes writing music for the sake of writing music. That's fine and dandy but that doesn't remove them from the bounds of criticism DB_Cooper posted:So black metal is just a niche music genre for you and you arent interested in keeping it going because of personal taste... Right anyone who doesn't agree with you MUST be a teenager  I'm old and idealistic. Black metal's entire purpose was to make music that wasn't accessible, but was raw, violent, as a push back against the watering down death metal took after it caught on. Basically what I see happening is that black metal is being led to slaughter of mediocrity and accessibility like death was. I personally think what's happening to BM, in this regard, is giving birth to black metal's metalcore and/or rap metal equivalent. Morbid Florist fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Nov 12, 2008 |
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Nov 12, 2008 21:46
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Morbid Florist posted:Right anyone who doesn't agree with you MUST be a teenager Aren't you the guy who always complains about elitists in the other threads?
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Nov 12, 2008 21:55
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MrBling posted:Aren't you the guy who always complains about elitists in the other threads? Usually just your elitism  But point taken. Maybe the worm has turned for me and I've become what I used to hate.
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Nov 12, 2008 22:11
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Morbid Florist posted:I personally think what's happening to BM, in this regard, is giving birth to black metal's metalcore and/or rap metal equivalent.
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Nov 12, 2008 23:12
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Morbid Florist posted:Black metal's entire purpose was to make music that wasn't accessible, but was raw, violent, as a push back against the watering down death metal took after it caught on. Basically what I see happening is that black metal is being led to slaughter of mediocrity and accessibility like death was. There was plenty of weird noise/power electronics/industrial in scandinavia during the early 90s. I dont think being inaccessible was the purpose really unless you mean inaccessible in the sense that it wasnt played well. Most of the 2nd wave bands dont even sound similar. Burzums first couple albums sound almost like its derived from punk aside from the vocals. Mayhem was very drum oriented in its sound, lots of blast beats and generally chaotic drumming. Darkthrone were the first to tap the whole mono kvlt sound all the kids love today. Of course this isnt nearly all the bands but the point is that there was no unified sound. This allowed bands like ulver to exist and in turn make the scene even less unified in sound which allowed bands like arcturus and ved buens ende to exist etc etc. This isnt a new concept in black metal but rather a gradual and natural progression which took place once people became more proficient in writing/playing music.
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Nov 12, 2008 23:32
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I think people who complain about the so called hipster black metal bands are just bitter that black metal isn't the super secret club they somehow think it used to be. People who aren't die hard into it are starting to listen to bm and show up on gigs (and making it, to some extent) and old fans are looking down their noses at them. I say this because bands like Wolves In The Throne Room, Krallice, Menace Ruine or whatever bands you guys think have hipster appeal don't really stand out in any other way except that they've had wider coverage outside the usual metal circles. The same has happened to basically every niche genre. Most of them survived, black metal will too. Dyna Soar fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Nov 13, 2008 |
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Nov 13, 2008 00:46
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Brown Jenkins deserves more exposure, go listen to that poo poo
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Nov 13, 2008 04:21
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DB_Cooper posted:I've gone from finding 5 or 6 really good albums a year to maybe 1 or 2. You either have pickier tastes than I do or you haven't been listening to enough music. Unless you're referring to black metal, which has been pretty lackluster for the past couple years. Death metal and traditional doom have made a bit of a rise on my radar in the past couple years.
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Nov 13, 2008 04:51
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Qu Appelle posted:And they're going to get rightfully screwed in a little bit; I looked at Peter Beste's MySpace, and there's a 2nd Edition of the book being printed as we speak! ...which is what I'm going to have to do.  book update:Barnes and Noble has it as 'out of stock', and can't send it to me. So I'm cancelling the order.
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Nov 13, 2008 07:13
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Dyna Soar posted:I think people who complain about the so called hipster black metal bands are just bitter that black metal isn't the super secret club they somehow think it used to be. People who aren't die hard into it are starting to listen to bm and show up on gigs (and making it, to some extent) and old fans are looking down their noses at them. I say this because bands like Wolves In The Throne Room, Krallice, Menace Ruine or whatever bands you guys think have hipster appeal don't really stand out in any other way except that they've had wider coverage outside the usual metal circles. Nah, you're totally misunderstanding the hate they get. It's not solely because they're getting exposure - it's because they're getting exposure and they don't deserve it over other bands. I personally would not have a problem with, say, Necros Christos getting shitloads of coverage and fans, because they're doing something that really merits attention and they're very good at it. You're also going to get a lot of people who hate these bands purely because they are North American. The US scene in particular has been regarded as a complete joke for over a decade now and even now almost every release from it that is hyped is generally derisory, so it's quite easy to almost automatically disregard these bands. I've never complained about Akitsa and Inquisition getting some press - because I think the bands merit attention.
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Nov 13, 2008 12:05
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Gr31lly posted:Nah, you're totally misunderstanding the hate they get. Yeah that's what I keep hearing, but it doesn't really explain it fully since the whole genre has benefited from the exposure, at least sales wise. I'm pretty sure that most people who found black metal via say WITTR have looked for similar stuff, and maybe ended up buying the less well known bands. Also I think that WITTR or Krallice are a lot more accessible than Akitsa or Horna or Behexen or whatever you think is "real" black metal and thus deserve wider coverage. Then again I could in no way be considered a black metal purist, and to be honest the lo-fi, uber kvlt stuff bores me somewhat.
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Nov 13, 2008 12:55
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Dyna Soar posted:Yeah that's what I keep hearing, but it doesn't really explain it fully since the whole genre has benefited from the exposure, at least sales wise. I'm pretty sure that most people who found black metal via say WITTR have looked for similar stuff, and maybe ended up buying the less well known bands. From what I've seen, this is not the case. Anecdotal, and easily disregarded of course, but the vast majority of those I've encountered who have listened to these bands based purely on hype from outside sources have not listened to anything other than that which has been spoon-fed to them.
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Nov 13, 2008 13:02
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DB_Cooper posted:The same exact thing was said about ved buens ende 12 years ago. Its like when hip hop people say something isnt "real". I think you misunderstand me. Though I won't call Amesoeurs BM, doesn't mean it's not better than 80% of the "true" BM that's released today. A lot of people today are creating new music by mixing genres rather than limiting themselves adhering to a set of arbitrary rules. The reason black metal was so powerful during the first and second wave was that it hadn't been done that many times before. People doesn't mix other genres into BM to "save" it. they create new music.
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Nov 13, 2008 15:12
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Morbid Florist posted:
Really? There seem to be many bands who disagrees with you. what makes you an authority? If BM bands evolve in a certain direction you don't like, then thats your problem. Being upset because everything doesn't sound like 1994 anymore is a bit stupid to say the least.
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Nov 13, 2008 17:11
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Nasty Kerm posted:Really? There seem to be many bands who disagrees with you. what makes you an authority? If BM bands evolve in a certain direction you don't like, then thats your problem. Being upset because everything doesn't sound like 1994 anymore is a bit stupid to say the least. Many bands seem to think death/metalcore is a-ok too but that doesn't make them right. If you don't like my opinion don't look at it. Morbid Florist fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Nov 13, 2008 |
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Nov 13, 2008 17:35
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Morbid Florist posted:Many bands seem to think death/metalcore is a-ok too but that doesn't make them right. Because you say so?
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Nov 13, 2008 18:15
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Nasty Kerm posted:Because you say so? Yes he's the scene police (although I agree with him on metalcore and death).
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Nov 13, 2008 18:20
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Morbid Florist posted:Many bands seem to think death/metalcore is a-ok too but that doesn't make them right. 
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Nov 13, 2008 18:32
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Misogynist posted:Except that Coalesce and Botch are awesome Yeah I love Converge, Integrity, Earth Crisis and Botch are good too. They're all from the 90s though.
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Nov 13, 2008 18:52
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Dyna Soar posted:Yes he's the scene police (although I agree with him on metalcore and death). I think bands should have the freedom to do what ever they want without besserweizers trashing them for it. Cant say I like the new Dimmu borgir sound( I hate it), but they were once pioneers of Norwegian black metal and I respect them for that. If they want to move in a certain direction then thats ok by me. Its their choice. They don't have to prove anything as far as I'm concerned. Same goes with Satyricon. These bands, they evolved. They got married and got kids etc, and it had an impact on their music. edit : Personally. I think NBM will die out in a about a decades time.
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Nov 14, 2008 18:52
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Nasty Kerm posted:I think bands should have the freedom to do what ever they want without besserweizers trashing them for it. Cant say I like the new Dimmu borgir sound( I hate it), but they were once pioneers of Norwegian black metal and I respect them for that. If they want to move in a certain direction then thats ok by me. Its their choice. They don't have to prove anything as far as I'm concerned. Same goes with Satyricon. "true norwegian black metal" has been dead since 2000
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Nov 17, 2008 18:22
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Mordekai posted:"true norwegian black metal" has been dead since 2000 I think Gorgoroth is one of the few classic bands still keeping it going. Darkthrone rules still but they're not doing the same poo poo anymore. Everyone else has either shifted styles, broken up, or lost their edge and paint by number now.
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Nov 17, 2008 19:11
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Mordekai posted:"true norwegian black metal" has been dead since 2000 that late?
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Morbid Florist posted:I think Gorgoroth is one of the few classic bands still keeping it going. Aren't there two Gorgoroths now? Aren't they in a battle over whether Gaahl and King can use the name or whether the name resides with Infernus? Black Metal dramarama etc? And the 'Black Metal is DEAD!1!!!1' thing is so old. And that 'once a band has more than 50 people liking them and they start selling CDs they have Sold Out and are not true Black Metal anymore' is another thing that is real boring and old too. But then again - I like Symphonic Norwegian Black Metal, which isn't 'Kvlt' or 'Tru' Black Metal enough, or so I have been told by those who like to think of themselves as the elite.
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666sinders666 posted:And that 'once a band has more than 50 people liking them and they start selling CDs they have Sold Out and are not true Black Metal anymore' is another thing that is real boring and old too. No one's like that, it's only butthurt fans of major bands who use that as a defense mechanism.
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