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japtor posted:Speaking of non existing equipment, does anyone know of a 4 SATA drive to FW800 (and bonus points for USB and eSATA PM) bridge board? Closest things I've found are 2 drive ones (that have all the interfaces) or an old 4 drive IDE-FW400 one (or eSATA/USB only ones). Is daisy chaining or separate cables/hub my only options? I'm going to be doing a software RAID of some sort so it's not a huge deal, but I'd like to keep things as simple as possible. Pretty sure he achieved this here quote:This bridgeboard contains dual SATA links and provides a bridge to FireWire 800 (backwards-compatible with FW400) and USB 2.0. The controller is an Oxford 924 chipset, which I highly recommend. There are competing bridgeboards out there based on the Initio chipset, but given my past experiences with them, I'd say avoid them at all costs.
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Yeah I've read that post a few times and I don't think it applies to my case (individual drives vs HW RAID), I'm just kinda  after trying to figure out what he's saying there.
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Hey guys, In my apartment we have a Vista laptop, a Vista PC, an XP laptop and two Xbox 360s. I was thinking about getting a NAS setup to store all our music and movies so we can access them from all our computers as well as stream them through out Xbox 360s. Is there any way to get a NAS setup going for around $100-200? Wouldn't need anything more than 500GB, hell even 250GB would cut it.
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Super Aggro Crag posted:Hey guys, If you already have the drives, you can get the DLink DNS-323 which is around ~$180 or so (or the cheaper DNS-321 which offers similar features minus the USB port and maybe some other stuff). I just bought a 323 to go with my xbmc setup which works perfectly. Plus, I think the upnp server works with the 360 if you are running the newest firmware. If not, you can always install twonky or something. Unless you cobble something together out of old PC parts or something i don't think you can find anything better for your budget. It's been posted before, but there's lots of good stuff here - http://wiki.dns323.info/
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So, is something like a Western Digital MyBook World Edition generally frowned upon? Although it claims to be a NAS..?
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If you check it on the SmallNetBuilder.com charts you will see it has throughput of less then 6MB per second. I have one and regret not getting something that transfers files a little faster (slow streaming, etc). I'd stay the gently caress away from them if I were you.
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My 400Mhz G3 fileserver is faster than the MyBook. That should tell you all you need to know about them.
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Stonefish posted:A lot like that, yes. Except not in PCI-X flavour. What about a pair (or more) of 4-port SATA controllers? 4 PCI-E lanes should be more than sufficient bandwidth.
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I've got something like a pair of PCI-E 1x slots (one used by network card, the other is physically inaccessible), a pair of 16x slots (one is used by a Dell PERC, the other is presently vacant), and not much else. There are also two PCI slots. One has my old IDE card which powers my older array, which I will replace ASAP, and the other is the POS graphics card (No onboard on this mobo) Edit: So, can you push 4 SATA disks worth of bandwidth through a PCI slot without bottlenecking it? I'm still considering just buying a second PERC. They're not cheap, and don't do a genuine "disk controller" thing, but you can get the next best thing. it runs nice and cold, and hasn't so much as blinked so far. I'm still uncertain about the odds of two of them working in one box. If one works fine, and one and a highpoint works, I suspect two would, but I can't say for certain. They're also not easy to source. Stonefish fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Jan 16, 2009 |
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quote:So, can you push 4 SATA disks worth of bandwidth through a PCI slot without bottlenecking it?
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Wiki says 133MB/sec. That's not very quick. Why does storing data have to be so difficult? I have money, and I want to spend it on hardware. Someone loving try to sell me what I want 
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Stonefish posted:Wiki says 133MB/sec. That's not very quick. Whoa there, it's not just that simple. A sales guy will need to come out and discuss why their form of horse-rape is better than the next guys. Then he will leave you with glossy brochures. If you're lucky a technical guy was allowed to come along who might even know how to turn the unit on and know what the glossy brochure says about the product. From there you get to discern the truth from the lies. What you are left with is nothing. You should already know how many disk iops you need going in to the talks, and know that nothing their proprietary bullshit is going to do that will magically give you iops those disks don't have. I tended to use SPEC_SFS97 numbers, because our workload pretty much directly compared to theirs. You can then try to get them to tell you a price for their hardware. This price is complete bullshit, and they will try and forbid you from talking to anyone about it. Try and figure out if it is MSRP, if so cut it straight in half, and that is the real price. (Note, not cost to them, but price for which they will sell you the unit.) Add on the support contract, which costs as much as the unit costs them, and you're golden! In the meantime you should make them take you and at least one low-level technical guy out to an expensive lunch/dinner. Order fine wine and the steak. Jaded? Sure. Far from the truth? Trying to spend money on hardware/software can be one the hardest things to do in this industry. Everyone is out to maximize their own bottom line, and some people will fork over MSRP, so why not keep it high?
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H110Hawk posted:Whoa there, it's not just that simple. A sales guy will need to come out and discuss why their form of horse-rape is better than the next guys. Then he will leave you with glossy brochures. If you're lucky a technical guy was allowed to come along who might even know how to turn the unit on and know what the glossy brochure says about the product. While everything hawk said is true, to bring it back to the focus of this thread keep in mind that the enterprise grade storage vendors all got rich assembling commodity storage hardware in useful ways, and so have a vested interest in making sure people can't do it easily themselves.
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See, now THAT is something I can believe. I imagine what I want is quite easy to build, but nobody wants to build it, lest they incur the wrath of 3ware or something.
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Any particularly good deals on drives right now? I had 2 bite the dust this week. I need 750GB+ SATA.
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1.5TB for $129.99.
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complex posted:1.5TB for $129.99.
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angelfoodcakez posted:are these the 1.5tb seagates that had all the problems with locking up? Doesn't matter, firmware fix is released last I heard.
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H110Hawk posted:Doesn't matter, firmware fix is released last I heard. The same fix which has been bricking drives? Or the update after that which is STILL bricking drives?
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I'm comparing RAID 1 NAS solutions and the ReadyNas Duo touts that it can use its special X-RAID technology expand its storage space by replacing one of the drives with a bigger drive, rebuilding the array onto it, and then doing the same with the other drive. However, can't you do that with any RAID 1 solution?
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Sock on a Fish posted:I'm comparing RAID 1 NAS solutions and the ReadyNas Duo touts that it can use its special X-RAID technology expand its storage space by replacing one of the drives with a bigger drive, rebuilding the array onto it, and then doing the same with the other drive. Nope, not really. You have to copy the data off, then rebuild the array from scratch. The only RAID solutions that I know of that have the fancy expandability are the ReadyNAS line, unRAID, and Drobo. WHS has something similar, but I don't think it's really RAID.
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Mr_D posted:The only RAID solutions that I know of that have the fancy expandability are the ReadyNAS line, unRAID, and Drobo. WHS has something similar, but I don't think it's really RAID.
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adorai posted:It should soon be available in raid-z (zpools/zfs/zwhatever new things sun is doing)
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Mr_D posted:Nope, not really. You have to copy the data off, then rebuild the array from scratch. Huh, I just figured it'd be like expanding a filesystem in a VM after you expand the virtual disk. Thanks for the tip. Also doesn't ZFS only allow expandability of a pool, but not the individual components in the pool? i.e., you could add a raid-z set to a pool, but you can't add a disk to the raid-z set.
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Sock on a Fish posted:Huh, I just figured it'd be like expanding a filesystem in a VM after you expand the virtual disk. Thanks for the tip.
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I think the official recommendation for ZFS is multiple raidz(2)'s in a pool instead of one big raidz(2) anyways. I might be wrong on that but i am pretty sure that is what sun recommends, and how they have the thumper configured.
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WickedMetalHead posted:I think the official recommendation for ZFS is multiple raidz(2)'s in a pool instead of one big raidz(2) anyways. I might be wrong on that but i am pretty sure that is what sun recommends, and how they have the thumper configured.
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Did someone mention getting rtorrent for opensolaris? I'm really struggling to get it going.
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How migrateable are RAID-5s and spanned arrays? I have a hardware 4-Port RAID5 card, but it only allows for 2TB logical drives, so under XP Pro I spanned the two logical drives it created to form one 4TB, spanned array (this basically just writes to the first logical drive, then the second once the first is filled, correct? So it's not a software raid?). (XP is installed on the array, on the remaining ~100gbs of the array) The question is, I'm currently running an EPIA-M, which isn't really suiting me since it only has 100mbps ethernet, so I'm looking to swap out the motherboard with another one once I order an ethernet card for an mATX board I have. I'll be reinstalling XP onto a CF card so I can spin down my drives while running some low-storage net-apps. Will this new installation see the spanned array? If I unhook all the drives from the hardware raid card, do they have to get plugged back into the ports they were previously connected to? Any good state-side suppliers of VIA-processor ITX boards? Newegg only has a few jetways. This feels kind of surreal; my first computer that was 'mine' had a 4gb drive, and I felt like it was so much space; it filled up pretty quick, too. Wonder if my 4tb array is going to be the same way. Triikan fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Feb 1, 2009 |
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Triikan posted:How migrateable are RAID-5s and spanned arrays? I have a hardware 4-Port RAID5 card, but it only allows for 2TB logical drives, so under XP Pro I spanned the two logical drives it created to form one 4TB, spanned array (this basically just writes to the first logical drive, then the second once the first is filled, correct? So it's not a software raid?).
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Combat Pretzel posted:A drive failing in a spanned volume just means drama. Will this cause me any problems? It's still RAID5'ed.
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Triikan posted:Any good state-side suppliers of VIA-processor ITX boards? Newegg only has a few jetways.
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Triikan posted:Will this cause me any problems? It's still RAID5'ed.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Oh, missed that. No idea, depends on how the spanned volume code reacts to a degraded array. Theoretically it shouldn't care, since assuming that the RAID5 array that's a member of the span is degraded and not gone, all data is still available either by direct reading or by computing based off of parity. What you're essentially looking at is a bastardized version of RAID50 - except that in a RAID50, if you lose two drives on one of the individual RAID5 arrays, all data is lost. With it set up as a span, if you lose two drives in one of the RAID5 arrays, you can theoretically recover whatever data is on the non-dead RAID5. Of course, RAID50 would be faster, especially on writes (assuming that the controllers are doing the XOR calculations, or that the CPU is doing nothing else) I'd probably just run software RAID6 well before trying some amalgam of hardware and software RAID like that, though.
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w_hat posted:Did someone mention getting rtorrent for opensolaris? I'm really struggling to get it going. i got azureus running on opensolaris many moons ago: http://willvuong.blogspot.com/2008/02/azureus-and-x86-opensolaris-and-webui.html
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Transmission's officially packaged by the Sun folks. AFAIK, it can also do headless using transmission-daemon and transmission-cli.
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w_hat posted:Did someone mention getting rtorrent for opensolaris? I'm really struggling to get it going. Yes, It works, but its a huge bitch. You need to pull the svn copy and try and build it. When you get an error (when, not if..), look it up on this page http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-p5yQxeIlabNLXBcyDWuLZDGM4Nxb?p=20 and follow his instructions on getting it fixed. If you run into an error you can't fix, send me a PM and I'll help you out.
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Just ordered up a drobo and 2 640GB drives to get started. I emailed Data Robotics because they had a mail in rebate which just expired two days ago, and they sent me a new form for February. That was nice of them. Total cost of Drobo + 2x640gb came to $500 with rebate. Pretty good. I will do a trip report soon, this will be smb/afp shared from a mac mini which also runs boxee on my tv. 3 mac's will be using timemachine on it, two through airport over my wrt54gs.
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Tomorrow I'll be attempting to set up an unRaid fileserver with 3 640gb drives (WD6400AAKS). The unRaid wiki lists the AAKS drives in both the "recommended hardware" section, as well as the "incompatible hardware" section, so we'll see how that goes. The fun part is going to be finding somewhere to stash my 640gb worth of crap on my existing drive (the other 2 are in the mail) while I test the array out.
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So I've been thinking about building a file server to use for a proper backup solution and media storage. I've got a couple old computers around and I was hoping I could just buy some new hard drives, throw linux on there, and mdadm my way to raid 5 goodness. However, the computer I was planning on using doesn't have any SATA ports (yes its that old). I was going to throw a SATA PCI card in there, but now looking at the Wikipedia Page of Device Bandwidths SATA2 has a max speed of 300Mb/s. Would getting a PCI SATA card be a bottleneck? Second off, I can't find a whole lot of information regarding linux compatibility with various hardware raid cards. I find some odds and ends stuff on the manufacturer's websites but nothing really promising, this is why I've been leaning towards a software raid for now.
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