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kapinga posted:So you're taking the literal interpretation of "why do people feel entitled to a free OS" being that the computer is useless without one. That doesn't actually answer the topic at hand, which is why people pirate OSes. Worse I've been sidetracked into explaining it twice, and now those explanations because you failed to grasp what I was clearly addressing the first time. I wasn't approaching the "topic at hand" of OS piracy in this Windows 7 RC thread, that would be the topic at hand of a thread with a humorous title about OS piracy.
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 I won one of Engadget's Windows 7 Upgrade Preorder discount codes.Somebody else quoted this before: quote:I am running Windows XP, can I upgrade to Windows 7? Do you need to have Vista or XP installed for the upgrade to work, or can you just give it a key or something? It would suck if I needed to install Vista first every time I decide to format.
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CheeToS posted:
You should be able to use the Windows 7 install as the one you're upgrading from, and just do a clean install from the DVD. It worked in Vista, I don't think they'll change it with 7, although they might. You will need to have whichever OS (XP, Vista, or 7) installed on the machine though.
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kapinga posted:You should be able to use the Windows 7 install as the one you're upgrading from, and just do a clean install from the DVD. It worked in Vista, I don't think they'll change it with 7, although they might. Ah, as long as 7 is one of the supported OSes, that's perfect 
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kapinga posted:You should be able to use the Windows 7 install as the one you're upgrading from, and just do a clean install from the DVD. It worked in Vista, I don't think they'll change it with 7, although they might. I'm confused on this part. I have a netbook that I installed windows 7 RC on and deleted the XP installation it came with to save space. If I get the upgrade version, in theory the first install would see I have windows 7 RC and upgrade from that? If, however, I format the SSD do I need to reinstall XP to install the upgrade?
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kapinga posted:And that leaves the original question - why do people feel that something as obviously complex to produce as an OS feel they deserve it for free?
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Alex007 posted:Am I right to assume getting windows updates is a pain in the rear end for them ? If yes, then gently caress them, they deserve to be part of a nice botnet and have their identities stolen or whatever. No, you're totally wrong. They get updates and everything from windows itself. When you have a pirated version, which is just basically an edited version of the WGA that windows uses or whatever is, Microsoft is like "sup, you genuine?" and your computer says "yep no issues here" and their servers gives the green light. That's how I assume it works, because it behaves like a "real" version. As for pirating windows, I haven't pirated windows ever personally, but frankly if I'm not getting the latest "full version" of Windows then I'm not interested. These "value packs" of home, and home premium and buisness and all this other poo poo are for the birds. One pack, that does everything, includes everything. No gimped copies of anything 
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Factor Mystic posted:There's an important point in here, and that is that people have no idea what building software is like. It's not "obviously complex" at all. There is zero concept of programming, UI testing, QA, etc etc etc that goes on in professional products like Windows. To them, they're just buying a DVD. Big deal, you can burn DVDs at home. At least with a car or a house, there's some notion of assembly than everyone can grasp, but there's literally none of that understanding for software. As an developer whose family is mostly tech-illiterate, the above facts are quite frustrating. It's as if I do nothing at all.
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Jun 26, 2009 02:34
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Gvaz posted:No, you're totally wrong. They get updates and everything from windows itself. When you have a pirated version, which is just basically an edited version of the WGA that windows uses or whatever is, Microsoft is like "sup, you genuine?" and your computer says "yep no issues here" and their servers gives the green light. That's how I assume it works, because it behaves like a "real" version. You realize that 7 professional will have everything that 7 home premium does, plus some? Seriously, before you buy Ultimate, take a look at the extra features and see if you would ever actually use them. Iirc, the main ones a home user might want are bitlocker and the ability to boot from vhd.
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Factor Mystic posted:There's an important point in here, and that is that people have no idea what building software is like. It's not "obviously complex" at all. There is zero concept of programming, UI testing, QA, etc etc etc that goes on in professional products like Windows. To them, they're just buying a DVD. Big deal, you can burn DVDs at home. At least with a car or a house, there's some notion of assembly than everyone can grasp, but there's literally none of that understanding for software. I guess I assume that people who don't understand enough about computers to comprehend that an OS is complex also probably aren't intentionally pirating it. I see very little overlap between users who are actively pirating and those who don't know enough to comprehend that an OS is very complex. I imagine most people who just think of Windows as "a DVD" also aren't bothering to upgrade very often, like Univbee said about the macs. But I don't have any evidence to corroborate this. If you cj's who have actually worked with clueless users who intentionally (this is key) installed a pirated version of Windows a lot, I'll conceed. edit: whoops double post.
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One question I've been trying to find an answer for, both through Google and the OP, is what exactly happens to my XP key if I purchase a Windows 7 Upgrade? I want to upgrade from XP to 7, but I'd like to have the ability to dual boot between XP and a new 7 install. If I use an Windows 7 upgrade key, will my XP install and cd-key become 'invalid' and lose its Genuine Windows status?
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Jun 26, 2009 03:44
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Fina posted:If I use an Windows 7 upgrade key, will my XP install and cd-key become 'invalid' and lose its Genuine Windows status? No, there is no mechanism for this to happen.
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Jun 26, 2009 04:32
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Can I upgrade from Windows Vista Business to Windows 7 Home Premium?
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Jun 26, 2009 04:52
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Anyone having the "black screen of death" issue after login with a 9800m gs Every time I try install the drivers it just breaks.
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Jun 26, 2009 05:05
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Amazon has the discounted pre-orders up: Pro: http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-7-Professional-Upgrade/dp/B002DHGM50/ref=sr_tr_2?ie=UTF8&s=aps&qid=1245989099&sr=8-2 Home: http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Home-Premium-Upgrade/dp/B002DHLUWK/ref=sr_tr_1?ie=UTF8&s=aps&qid=1245989099&sr=8-1
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Is anyone having issues with Windows 7 randomly dropping wireless connections after 10-15 minutes and requiring a reboot to fix it up? If so, anyone know of any workarounds? I recently picked up a WN311B from Netgear and I've seen a few posts from googling about others having the same problem, but no workarounds. This is infuriating.
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kapinga posted:You should be able to use the Windows 7 install as the one you're upgrading from, and just do a clean install from the DVD. It worked in Vista, I don't think they'll change it with 7, although they might. Ok, here's what I am wondering. I've read the past few pages and haven't seen anything regarding it. I remember reading there is a way to modify a file in the installation stuff to allow someone to do an upgrade install from Win7 RC to the final. If I do this trick, can I upgrade from Win7 RC to the final version using the UPGRADE VERSION disc?
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Jun 26, 2009 05:12
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Alex007 posted:Am I right to assume getting windows updates is a pain in the rear end for them ? Nope it updates and functions 100% identical to an authentically store-bought copy.
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Jun 26, 2009 05:31
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Awesome it seems Asus motherboards can't handl Windows 7 if you upgrade it from Vista!   Any solutions besides the displayswitch /extend displayswitch /internal one?
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Jun 26, 2009 05:32
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Just ordered Home Premium from Amazon. I couldn't beat $50 for a new OS. So I am wondering now....would it be worth it for me to install the release candidate or wait till it comes out?
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Joe Don Baker posted:Ok, here's what I am wondering. I've read the past few pages and haven't seen anything regarding it. Microsoft provided a way to modify the RC so that you could do a direct upgrade from the beta to the RC. They disabled it by default because beta -> RC doesn't give them any useful installation data. They have not published if a similar technique will be available for RC -> Gold. It is possible that they use the same mechanism, but not a guarantee. Regardless, assuming the installation mechanism hasn't changed from Vista, you should be able to pull the trick of installing 7 without registering it or entering a key, and then "upgrading" it using your legit update disc and key.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Anyone having the "black screen of death" issue after login with a 9800m gs Tell me more about this. Sometimes when I wake from sleep, the cpu or gpu (i'm not sure which) fan goes crazy and my monitor won't display anything, even though it's receiving a signal. Does that sound familiar?
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Mr. Banana Grabber posted:Tell me more about this. Sometimes when I wake from sleep, the cpu or gpu (i'm not sure which) fan goes crazy and my monitor won't display anything, even though it's receiving a signal. Does that sound familiar? I guess. I just doesn't do poo poo. I'm at a complete loss.
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Jun 26, 2009 06:03
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Just ordered Home Premium from Amazon for 50 bucks. This is the first time I've ever actually upgraded a Windows install instead of just waiting to get a new computer with it.
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Jun 26, 2009 06:04
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Canadian prices: $65 for Home Premium Upgrade, $125 for Professional Upgrade.
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I don't know if this has been mentioned and I apologize if it has, but current windows 7 RC users are eligible for the upgrade prices: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/home?os=win7
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Built 4 Cuban Linux posted:Can I upgrade from Windows Vista Business to Windows 7 Home Premium? no
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So if I purchase the upgrade, what happens when I need a clean reinstall? Do I have to install the RC first then the upgrade? Talisman fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Jun 26, 2009 |
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Jun 26, 2009 07:25
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Xenomorph posted:I'm trying to remember how many floppies my copy of Windows 95 was. 12-14. Windows 95 was closer to 20 floppies that I remember.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Awesome it seems Asus motherboards can't handl Windows 7 if you upgrade it from Vista! The only way I could get 7 to install is if I did an upgrade. If I tried a clean install it just froze. This is on an Asus P5W DH deluxe.
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I've tried both an upgrade, then a clean install, worked flawlessly on my P5Q PRO
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was it confirmed you can get away wait no key install for W7 like you can in vista then load up the key post install? Does this effectively means they are selling windows 7 for 100 dollars?
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phosdex posted:Windows 95 was closer to 20 floppies that I remember. The original was 13 floppies, or a CD. The Cd had a bunch of stuff you didn't get if you used the floppies.
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Does the Win7 upgrade include both 32 and 64 bit, or just 32 bit?
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This whole EU business has had some interesting knockon effects for us in the UK. There will be no upgrade editions available in the EU but to compensate the full retail prices are reduced slightly until the end of December. In addition, the Windows 7 pre-order offer in the UK will be for the full version of the OS and not the upgrade like it is in the US. If I can get hold of a pre-order copy then it looks like it's worked out well for me!
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Jun 26, 2009 13:18
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kapinga posted:Regardless, assuming the installation mechanism hasn't changed from Vista, you should be able to pull the trick of installing 7 without registering it or entering a key, and then "upgrading" it using your legit update disc and key. This would be like 2 installs? The first installation would be a clean install, then as soon as that is finished, do another 'upgrade' install. Interesting.
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Siroc posted:Does the Win7 upgrade include both 32 and 64 bit, or just 32 bit? I came here to ask the same thing. I assume it's both, as the requirments list seperately for 32bit and 64, but I'd like to know for sure before I drop $100 on a couple licenses.
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PFC.Spengler posted:I came here to ask the same thing. I assume it's both, as the requirments list seperately for 32bit and 64, but I'd like to know for sure before I drop $100 on a couple licenses. The documentation states that you can't upgrade from 32-bit to 64 bit, you'll have to do a clean install if you want to do that. The verbage suggests that they're both on the same disc.
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Edit: I'm an idiot who should read more carefully.
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deltawing posted:Can you open Briefcases from an XP computer in Windows 7?
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