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Doh004 posted:Hey guys, thanks for your help earlier with my Raid 5 setup. We'll see if it fixes everything, but I have a question for you all. Guys, I apologize for bumping this but does anyone know if it'd be worth it to keep the raptor? Thanks.
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This is as good a place as any to post this question I guess. I have a 2TB NAS box on my home network, and I have 4 machines I need to do backups on. If they die, I need to be able to put a new drive in, restore the image over the network and get the machine up as quick as possible with no problems. What software package do you guys use to accomplish this? Acronis Home doesn't appear to handle restores over the network, but I'm liking what I see about R-Drive. Ideas?
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XakEp posted:This is as good a place as any to post this question I guess. I have a 2TB NAS box on my home network, and I have 4 machines I need to do backups on. If they die, I need to be able to put a new drive in, restore the image over the network and get the machine up as quick as possible with no problems. What software package do you guys use to accomplish this? Acronis Home doesn't appear to handle restores over the network, but I'm liking what I see about R-Drive. I think this would be a great reason to use Ghost.
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TeMpLaR posted:I think this would be a great reason to use Ghost. Or Clonezilla looks like it'll do that for free if spending money is an issue. (note, I haven't used it over a network before, I'm just using it with a usb hard drive, but the option is there)
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NZAmoeba posted:Or Clonezilla looks like it'll do that for free if spending money is an issue. (note, I haven't used it over a network before, I'm just using it with a usb hard drive, but the option is there) We clone with Clonezilla over the network all the time. It works great - so much so that we stopped buying upgrades to Ghost.
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I need some advice on how to best fix my current storage situation. Right now I've got a WHS, and I absolutely love all of the features, but I no longer trust it. I know back before PP1 they had data corruption issues, so I waited until they did a redesign to adopt and everything has gone swimmingly since then - until last week. Last week, I got a notification that about 15 files had become corrupt. I talked to the WHS guys and it seems that my data is lost. They think it might be due to a hard drive that's about to fail, but I've got redundancy enabled on the folder, and guess what - my files are still gone! I'm not sure what the point of redundancy is if when a single hard drive goes bad, you still lose files.  Because of this, I want to move away from WHS as the method of protecting my data.I've got two client PCs at home - my regular desktop and a HTPC running Windows Media Center (both Vista, upgrading to 7 soon). The WHS is my old desktop, so the specs on it are rather lackluster - it's got an ASUS A7N8X Deluxe mobo and a Barton 2800+. I've got 4 drives, 2x200GB IDE and 2x750GB SATA II (the board only has 2 SATA I connections). I use my WHS for a variety of functions, beyond just the out-of-box stuff. The server also: streams music to computers outside the network with Firefly Media Server, houses an FTP server, runs uTorrent, gets all of my recorded TV shows (from my HTPC) dumped onto it automatically, renames said episodes and converts the files to H.264, manages anti-virus on my two client PCs (Avast!), and a couple of other minor things. As I see it, I have a couple mix-and-match options if I want to move away from WHS as my backup solution. For the file storage itself, I think I'll either buy a Drobo or move to a RAID-5 configuration. For the computer / OS, I'd either build a brand new server and sell my current one, add a RAID controller card to my current box that can actually support more than 2 SATA drives, or get rid of the server altogether and move all of it's functionality to my desktop. For the OS itself, keeping WHS is tempting for it's other features (nightly backups of attached PCs, auto-zip when downloading files remotely) and just turn off duplication. This however, isn't supported, and the maximum size of an MBR drive is 2TB, so apparently I'd have to change the drive to GPT - I've never used GPT, so this makes me a bit nervous that there could be other issues. My other option would be to just put Win 2k8 on it. I don't want to move to Linux simply because of all of the Windows apps that I use to do the extra things I mentioned above. Does anyone have any recommendations on which route I should go? I'm leaning towards building a new server with RAID 5 and Win 2k8, but I wonder if that's really best. I also have no idea how easy it is to add drives to RAID 5 (either for more storage or for an extra redundancy) which I'm sure I'll want to do over time.
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Anyone used the Acer easyShare H340 4-bay home server? Getting mine today and interested to hear feedback about the unit. I'll report back when I get it up and running.
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tehschulman posted:Anyone used the Acer easyShare H340 4-bay home server? Getting mine today and interested to hear feedback about the unit. I'll report back when I get it up and running. Isn't this a WHS box? We have a WHS thread 
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tehschulman posted:Anyone used the Acer easyShare H340 4-bay home server? Getting mine today and interested to hear feedback about the unit. I'll report back when I get it up and running.
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tehschulman posted:Anyone used the Acer easyShare H340 4-bay home server? Getting mine today and interested to hear feedback about the unit. I'll report back when I get it up and running. I think this may be exactly what I've been searching for in a NAS hardware wise. Does anybody know of equivalent systems, ie. full on Atom system / USB / 1000BaseT, 4 Bay, small, <$400? I have more OSX and Linux than Windows and would prefer not to pay or deal with WHS if I don't have to, even though I'm sure it's great if I was all Windows. This could still be an option if anyone can give some insight or point me to some experiences with other OSes on this thing. I am also open to other suggestions near what I'm looking for. Also, we mean Easystore right? Oh, yeah, I would prefer no drives already installed. SimpleCoax fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Aug 22, 2009 |
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SimpleCoax posted:I think this may be exactly what I've been searching for in a NAS hardware wise. Does anybody know of equivalent systems, ie. full on Atom system / USB / 1000BaseT, 4 Bay, small, <$400? I have more OSX and Linux than Windows and would prefer not to pay or deal with WHS if I don't have to, even though I'm sure it's great if I was all Windows. This could still be an option if anyone can give some insight or point me to some experiences with other OSes on this thing. I am also open to other suggestions near what I'm looking for. I got mine for $345 on tigerdirect using dealnews.com. The machine comes with a 1TB drive that includes the WHS install, but I'm going to swap that out after copying the partition. Check out FreeNAS and NASlite (there's a good Wikipedia page on NAS softwares/OSes) if you want to use something besides WHS. HP makes a few NAS units similar to the easyStore, but the good one is expensive and the entry-level only holds 3 drives. I'd have a nice little write up of the thing today if the UPS guy decided to actually show up on schedule with the delivery. Oh also, kri kri posted:Isn't this a WHS box? We have a WHS thread Yeah, I'll probably run WHS for a bit, but I'm interested in people's experiences with FreeNAS and NASlite on this box. I'm native to Linux, not BSD, but want to know to what extent I can perform some of the tasks that WHS can perform under another server (running utorrent, home automation functions, process monitoring, etc) Dotcom Jillionaire fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Aug 22, 2009 |
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tehschulman posted:The machine comes with a 1TB drive that includes the WHS install, but I'm going to swap that out after copying the partition. Just curious why you'd want to do that? You want at least 2 drives in the machine so duplication can occur.
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gariig posted:Just curious why you'd want to do that? You want at least 2 drives in the machine so duplication can occur. I have 4x 1.5TB hard drives ready to go. Will image the WHS partition, copy it to my external drive, then swap out the drives and you know the rest. I want the Windows Home Server install partition because it's the only copy of the software in the box (stupidly).
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tehschulman posted:Yeah, I'll probably run WHS for a bit, but I'm interested in people's experiences with FreeNAS and NASlite on this box. I'm native to Linux, not BSD, but want to know to what extent I can perform some of the tasks that WHS can perform under another server (running utorrent, home automation functions, process monitoring, etc) Please God do not get naslite. I purchased the usb version about 9 months ago and it is complete crap. The only way to configure it is through telnet and the only thing you can do is share an entire drive. No raid, replication is done through rsync once a day at any time. The web interface is barely worth even ever looking at. It was a terrible product and I wish I would have never purchased it. Save your money
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Fitret posted:I need some advice on how to best fix my current storage situation. Right now I've got a WHS, and I absolutely love all of the features, but I no longer trust it. I know back before PP1 they had data corruption issues, so I waited until they did a redesign to adopt and everything has gone swimmingly since then - until last week. Last week, I got a notification that about 15 files had become corrupt. I talked to the WHS guys and it seems that my data is lost. They think it might be due to a hard drive that's about to fail, but I've got redundancy enabled on the folder, and guess what - my files are still gone! I'm not sure what the point of redundancy is if when a single hard drive goes bad, you still lose files. As someone who had the data corruption issues back after RTM, and then fled far away from WHS but was secretly considering trying it again, I am very, very sad to read this. Keep us posted as to what you end up doing.
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What's the 1TB or 1.5TB drive of choice for you guys in your small NAS boxes these days? I'm going to be expanding mine (currently 4x300GB, adding 4x1TB or 4x1.5TB). The box is in the closet, so noise isn't a primary concern. The network will probably be the throughput bottleneck (1gigabit). So, I guess reliability and random IO performance are my main priorities. It'll be a 3+1 RAID-Z volume. I've always assumed I didn't want the 5400/5900rpm drives, but I'd look at them. Are the Seagate 1.5TB drives still as lovely as they were reported to be a year or so ago?
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frunksock posted:I've always assumed I didn't want the 5400/5900rpm drives, but I'd look at them.
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I switched from 500GB 7200RPM Western Digitals to 1.5TB 5400RPM Samsungs, and at least in straight read/writes, the performance actually went up; presumably due to the increased platter density. I don't do a whole lot of random reads/writes on my array (I've got a separate RAID0 for data that I don't care about that needs to be fast) so take this with a grain of salt if you're doing everything on one array.
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Fitret posted:I need some advice on how to best fix my current storage situation. Right now I've got a WHS, and I absolutely love all of the features, but I no longer trust it. I know back before PP1 they had data corruption issues, so I waited until they did a redesign to adopt and everything has gone swimmingly since then - until last week. Last week, I got a notification that about 15 files had become corrupt. I talked to the WHS guys and it seems that my data is lost. They think it might be due to a hard drive that's about to fail, but I've got redundancy enabled on the folder, and guess what - my files are still gone! I'm not sure what the point of redundancy is if when a single hard drive goes bad, you still lose files. I don't want to derail the NAS thread too much so I'll include my solution to my problem which is almost identical to yours. I had the same problems with corrupted duplicate files and failed backups, I ended up reformatting and starting again (luckily I had additional backups of all my important stuff) but even after the rebuild the issues continued. I narrowed it down to the actual system drive being faulty and the issues with that cascaded to corruption of a lot of files, even the duplicted ones and eventually to the backups failing and the backup service not starting at all. It seems that WHS relies heavily on the system drive and if it fails you're pretty much hosed. They really need to work on that design flaw in future because like you I no longer trust WHS to hold my important data...and to tie this to the NAS thread, I'm using a QNAP TS-409 for all my junk now, it has a few issues mostly related to the lovely seagate drives I put in it but apart from that it never skips a beat (I know, RAID5 is not a backup, I still keep actual backups). The moral of the story is that despite WHS's claims to the contrary, it is not a foolproof backup/data security solution, but then, for the average home user, what is?
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Yeah, this is why I don't trust anything other than decent RAID5 hardware and proven software RAID (md, zfs, etc.). There's a lot of complexities in storage systems, and nobody's going to solve that with some product aimed at end users firstly and the technical capabilities a distant second.Scratch2k posted:The moral of the story is that despite WHS's claims to the contrary, it is not a foolproof backup/data security solution, but then, for the average home user, what is? The average user will almost certainly lose a lot of data even while using all these funky solutions they're paying good money for.
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I'm about to put together a RAID-6 array and I'd like to really beat the hell out of it for awhile - hopefully to get any premature failures or unforeseen incompatibilities out of the way. Does anyone know of a good utility program to do this?
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I'm about to put together a RAID-6 array and I'd like to really beat the hell out of it for awhile - hopefully to get any premature failures or unforeseen incompatibilities out of the way. Does anyone know of a good utility program to do this? It's probably a ghetto solution, but if you've got a fast internet connection and don't live somewhere they screw you over if you use a lot of data, I'd grab a bunch of torrents for Linux isos and other large files and run them full tilt. Shitload of random writes and reads; on my original fileserver (a clusterfuck running Win2k3 Server) running a few torrents was enough to actually make uTorrent wait for the array to catch up.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I'm about to put together a RAID-6 array and I'd like to really beat the hell out of it for awhile - hopefully to get any premature failures or unforeseen incompatibilities out of the way. Does anyone know of a good utility program to do this? stress, bonnie++, and iozone are decent ways to gently caress around with stuff like this.
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For those who read my earlier story of woe, I've decided to build a new server using RAID5. My only question now is what parts to get. I looked at a few of the system earlier people have built, and I noticed that no one here is using an Intel Atom board (or at least not of the recent builds). I thought that a lot of people were moving towards Atom because they still had great speed while vastly reducing the amount of power consumed - very important for always-on servers. Is there something I'm missing here?
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FreeNAS just released a release candidate of the 0.7 version which implements FreeBSD 7.2 and most importantly ZFS. Hopefully 0.7 final will be released soon, that along with the new Intel Atom chipsets will provide for a nice low power file server!
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Atom wasn't an option when I built mine, but for me the issue I've seen with most Atom boards is you're still limited to one PCI slot. I don't ever plan on running a single array with consumer hardware so large that I need to run more than one add-in controller, but when I migrated from one array to the other it was nice being able to drop in two more add-in cards I had laying around so I could run both arrays at the same time. For what it's worth, good job Antec on the Earthwatts line; I had my Earthwatts 380W PSU powering the base system itself (Dual-Core Pentium E2140, 945-based motherboard with onboard graphics) as well as an ungodly number of drives. 80GB boot, 6x500GB WD Caviar Blues, 2x200GB Maxtors, and 4x1.5TB 5400RPM Samsungs.
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Fitret posted:I thought that a lot of people were moving towards Atom because they still had great speed while vastly reducing the amount of power consumed - very important for always-on servers. Is there something I'm missing here? I still think that for a home file server, a low-watt Intel or suitable AMD CPU with a low-power chipset is better than an Atom board - the power consumption is maybe a difference of 10w for a lot more computing power. If you want to move up into higher throughput network I/O, you're going to need a bit more than what an Atom can do while juggling some other important tasks.
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drat these headless installs are difficult. I've got FreeNAS on a bootable thumb drive but dunno how I'm going to change the BIOS options without the aid of a monitor. I have some USB ports and an Ethernet jack, any advice for getting this going? EDIT: Using this tutorial otherwise. Dotcom Jillionaire fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Aug 25, 2009 |
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tehschulman posted:drat these headless installs are difficult. I've got FreeNAS on a bootable thumb drive but dunno how I'm going to change the BIOS options without the aid of a monitor. I have some USB ports and an Ethernet jack, any advice for getting this going? You don't have any type of VGA/RS-232 output?
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H110Hawk posted:You don't have any type of VGA/RS-232 output? Nope, proprietary Acer disk server with 4x USB, 1x ethernet, and eSATA. Looking into installing the software via an external enclosure then transferring to the system.
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Anyone played around with the DroboPro yet? Thoughts? Eight bays, GigE out, rack-mountable, and dual-disk redundancy (it's not RAID5-P, it's not RAID6, it's...BEYONDRAID!!!) sounds pretty sweet.
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Awww. None of the FreeNAS images boot properly when I use Ubnetbootin to copy them to a thumbdrive. The live CD gives an invalid kernel error and the embedded image crashes due to a lack of ACPI drivers (even when I select the option to fore go ACPI). Don't want to turn the thread into my own support group, but anyone ever had these issues installing FreeNAS?
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Crossposting this in the PC building thread, but since I'm building a storage server, I thought I'd post here too. Boot drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3160813AS 160GB 7200RPM ($40) Storage: 3x Seagate Barracuda LP ST31500541AS 1.5TB 5900RPM ($110 each) Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3R LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX ($120) CPU: Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz LGA 775 95W ($190) RAM: OCZ 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) ($50) PSU: Antec earthwatts EA430 430W Continuous Power ATX12V v2.0 80 PLUS ($50) Video Card: SPARKLE SFPX84GS256U2LF GeForce 8400 GS 256MB 64-bit DDR2 PCI Express x16 ($25) Total Cost: $804.91 I already have a case and a CDROM drive (that I'll probably end up removing right after I install the OS). This ended up being way pricier than I was hoping for, though I know I went overboard in a few places (specifically on the CPU). I picked the motherboard for the 8xSATA II slots. I ended up going with Quad Core because I decided I wanted hardware virtualization support - I'm going to run Win Server 2k8 on the box and it seemed like a good idea to get a chip that could support hardware virtualization. Once I made that decision, it was either the Quad Core 2.66 for $190 or a Dual Core 3GHz for $168 (assuming I want a 6MB L2 cache, otherwise it's as cheap as $145). The video card is the cheapest I could find. Ideally I'd get a motherboard with onboard video since I'm going to run this PC headless, but I couldn't find one that also had 8 onboard SATA ports and didn't suck or wasn't extremely expensive. Please rip this to shreds and suggest improvements.
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Boot drive: Do you not have an old drive laying around to use for that? Or pick one up on SA-Mart... Storage: I think Dell is running the WD 1.5TB greens at a bit over $90, check Slickdeals. Motherboard + video: Gigabyte's P45 boards kick rear end but this is way overkill. Get one with onboard video, add a PCIe SATA controller down the road when you need more ports. CPU: I run a Pentium D 2140 in mine but I'm not trying to virtualize anything with it. Also, at least originally, wasn't VT support actually slower than just doing it the old way? RAM: Even with that CPU, will you see any benefit from DDR2 1066 over DDR2 800, assuming you're not overclocking? PSU: Probably just fine, maybe slight overkill given what I was able to run on a 380W temporarily. Then again, that C2Q draws a lot more than a 2140.
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IOwnCalculus posted:Boot drive: Do you not have an old drive laying around to use for that? Or pick one up on SA-Mart... Thanks for the suggestions. I'll look for a cheaper mobo with integrated video solution, but my thought was that mobo w/6 SATA + add-on SATA card would be more expensive than mobo w/8 SATA + add-on video card. As for the RAM, the board doesn't say it supprts DDR2 800, otherwise I'd definitely be using that. If I go with a different motherboard, I'll certainly take down the RAM. For the PSU, I know the 380W will likely be fine, but I went with the more powerful PSU because it has more SATA power connectors (4 vs. 2). I could just get a bunch of molex adapters, but that will clutter the case more and the price difference wasn't huge. As for the CPU, hardware virtualization should be faster than software virtualization, plus it enables select scenarios (hyper-V, Win 7 + Win XP, though I'm not planning on doing the latter).
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I have the Gigabyte EP45-DS3L in my main desktop, it supports DDR2 800 just fine. How are you planning on handling the RAID? That may throw a wrench into things for your controllers. I run everything on software raid in Linux so I don't need to worry if an array spans multiple controllers (or even if the controllers are all the same type), but if you're planning on using the controllers to handle the array then you may want to go ahead and get a board with 8 SATA ports built in.
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