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jeffersonlives posted:Repeatedly giving away PPV-caliber matches and title changes on free TV makes people not buy the B-show PPVs because the PPVs are just a three-hour RAW.
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This is kind of an odd question, but are there any defining characteristics to a luchador mask ? Like visual cues that let you know it's a Mexican wrestler and not a power ranger or something.
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Sep 4, 2009 09:58
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I don't know a ton about Lucha but I used to go to a bunch of shows in TJ when I lived out there and I don't really think so, there is a huge variety in masks, from plain colors to elaborate stuff with horns and poo poo.
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Sep 4, 2009 14:51
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Blinken posted:This is kind of an odd question, but are there any defining characteristics to a luchador mask ? Like visual cues that let you know it's a Mexican wrestler and not a power ranger or something. Follow-up question: is there any tell-tale signs that point to heritage or geography? I always associate horns and streamers with Jap lucha, but that's probably just me.
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Sep 4, 2009 19:00
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Psychosis is from Mexico, and his mask had horns.
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Sep 4, 2009 19:06
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Captain Strange posted:Follow-up question: is there any tell-tale signs that point to heritage or geography? I always associate horns and streamers with Jap lucha, but that's probably just me. if its a mexican, they're from mexico. if the dude is a jap, its from japan.
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Sep 4, 2009 20:47
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DominatedOhSix posted:if the dude is a jap, woah bro
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Sep 4, 2009 20:51
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grody but still def posted:woah bro It's just a shortening of Japanese. Besides... Pearl Harbor.
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Sep 4, 2009 23:03
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Judakel posted:It's just a shortening of Japanese. Besides... Pearl Harbor. I'm glad to see someone doing their duty of  NEVER FORGETTING
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Sep 5, 2009 10:19
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Blinken posted:This is kind of an odd question, but are there any defining characteristics to a luchador mask ? Like visual cues that let you know it's a Mexican wrestler and not a power ranger or something. Simply put, masks in Mexico mean luchadores. Power Rangers came later.
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Sep 5, 2009 16:42
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I seem to hear on occasion that there's a difference between rudos' masks and tecnicos' masks, like if a tecnico turns then he starts wearing a different mask. Are their discerning characteristics between the two? Are there actually "rudo masks" and "tecnico masks"?
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Sep 5, 2009 16:59
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CM Junk posted:I seem to hear on occasion that there's a difference between rudos' masks and tecnicos' masks, like if a tecnico turns then he starts wearing a different mask. Are their discerning characteristics between the two? Are there actually "rudo masks" and "tecnico masks"? I think the idea is more that when the character develops or changes, the mask changes too, too show the new character. In Chikara, when Shane Storm became STIGMA they did this too.
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Sep 5, 2009 17:22
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Lazy like a Fox posted:In Chikara, when Shane Storm became STIGMA they did this too. That was the first thing I thought of when he asked.
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Sep 5, 2009 17:26
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Granted, in the case of Shane Storm/STIGMA, not only did he change masks, he changed attire, AND wrestling style. The Stormer was more of the lucha-style contrived armdrag spots and whatnot. STIGMA's pretty much a brawler, and the style suits him a lot better.
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Sep 5, 2009 22:46
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So this question just kind of popped up in my head but...when was the last time in the WWE or any other company where there were referees that were very clearly heels? I'm thinking like to the extent that Charles Robinson was with Ric Flair back in WCW heel style. I haven't seen that too much lately, maybe I just haven't noticed?
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Sep 5, 2009 23:17
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Nick Patrick was probably the last one I can remember. WWE don't acknowledge the refs by name anymore so theres no way they're going to give them gimmicks or make them heel/face.
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Sep 5, 2009 23:22
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Just before the WWE took away the referees names, there was a very vague hint that Scott Armstrong might have had Legacy sympathies, what with him also being second generation. It didn't amount to anything more than one match having a screwy ending and nothing more ever came of it.
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Sep 5, 2009 23:29
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Good Listener posted:So this question just kind of popped up in my head but...when was the last time in the WWE or any other company where there were referees that were very clearly heels? I'm thinking like to the extent that Charles Robinson was with Ric Flair back in WCW heel style. I haven't seen that too much lately, maybe I just haven't noticed? Super ref in TNA was face as hell. Its also established that Foley loves Earl Hebner for his penchant for screwjobs.
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Sep 5, 2009 23:36
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Dragon Gate had a heel ref for a while, too, when the Muscle Outlaw'z were still around. Kinta Tomoaka was their personal referee (came out with the faction, wore their colors), and was even more blatant about his bias than Nick Patrick with his "one, two, OWW MY ARM" counts. Tomoaka would refuse to count at all, or he'd stomp the face wrestler making the pin. Sometimes MO'z would beat up the regular ref to insert Tomoaka. And if regular ref tried to get back into the match, Tomoaka would kick him in the balls. In one match (on the Best of Dragon Gate Vol. 1 DVD set), Gamma vs CIMA, Hair vs Hair, when Gamma rolled up CIMA, Tomoaka actually dove OVER TOP of them, adding his weight to the pile, to count the three. A Dragon Gate official came out and overturned the decision, ordered the match restarted. Tomoaka kicked him in the balls, but it was no sold and he got laid out for it. CIMA ended up losing the match anyway.
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Sep 5, 2009 23:46
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Why did the WWE take away the referee names? I thought it was kind of cool when stables had referees in their pockets and added extra odds to surmount for faces who were feuding with a heel stable if that referee was officiating the match.
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Sep 6, 2009 00:27
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Judakel posted:Why did the WWE take away the referee names? I thought it was kind of cool when stables had referees in their pockets and added extra odds to surmount for faces who were feuding with a heel stable if that referee was officiating the match. The commentators mention the ref most of the time v  v
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Sep 6, 2009 00:30
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Batmanuel posted:The commentators mention the ref most of the time v:confused:v That brings me to my next question: Why did someone say earlier that they had taken the referees' names away and were prohibited from calling them by their names if Batmanuel says otherwise? Jerks.
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Sep 6, 2009 01:25
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They mention them in the LIVE MONDAY NITE CHATS. Where Katie Lea gets most of her heel heat, judging by her TV time
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Sep 6, 2009 01:26
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Jay 2K Winger posted:Granted, in the case of Shane Storm/STIGMA, not only did he change masks, he changed attire, AND wrestling style. The Stormer was more of the lucha-style contrived armdrag spots and whatnot. STIGMA's pretty much a brawler, and the style suits him a lot better. Actually, based on what I read about the lucha face/heel dynamic before I asked the question, that seems to be the case. Tecnicos are more flippy and technical (hence the name  ), whereas rudos are much more of brawlers.
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Sep 6, 2009 01:36
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Judakel posted:Why did someone say earlier that they had taken the referees' names away and were prohibited from calling them by their names if Batmanuel says otherwise?
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Sep 6, 2009 01:57
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The refs thing was made blatent when chris jericho cut himself off half way through saying charles robinsons name and then went "the referee"
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Sep 6, 2009 02:12
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TNA was hinting at an angle where Madison Rayne was sleeping with Slick Johnson to get favorable reffing for The Beautiful People, but it didn't go anywhere.
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Sep 6, 2009 02:39
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Slick was a great heel ref with Steiner.
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Sep 6, 2009 02:57
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They probably wont say ref names because they dont want you to focus on the ref unless it involves the finish.
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Sep 6, 2009 03:23
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Sionistic posted:They probably wont say ref names because they dont want you to focus on the ref unless it involves the finish. I remember this being the reason that got leaked, that Vince doesn't want the focus off the superstars. Vince changes his mind on a daily basis, though. Remember when he wanted it more serious, with refs calling matches as a shoot?
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Sep 6, 2009 05:38
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It's irritating when it's a referee that we've seen for years, like Mike Chioda or Charles Robinson, and JR or whoever calls him "the referee." Come on man, I know you know his name!
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Sep 6, 2009 05:51
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You know which new ref I like now? That skinny black guy. Skinny black guy owns.
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Sep 6, 2009 05:55
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Deranged Hermit posted:You know which new ref I like now? That skinny black guy. Skinny black guy owns. Teddy Long?
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Sep 6, 2009 06:09
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Deranged Hermit posted:You know which new ref I like now? That skinny black guy. Skinny black guy owns. El Generico?
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Sep 6, 2009 06:12
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On the one hand, they say they don't want the focus on the refs. On the other, last Monday we had a full minute audible argument between Chavo and Noah Wilson (skinny black guy that's not Human Tornado) about putting on a cow head.
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Sep 6, 2009 06:17
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Happy Happyist posted:On the one hand, they say they don't want the focus on the refs. On the other, last Monday we had a full minute audible argument between Chavo and Noah Wilson (skinny black guy that's not Human Tornado) about putting on a cow head. His name, according to THE BOARD~, is black ref. 
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Sep 6, 2009 06:35
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WeaselWeaz posted:I remember this being the reason that got leaked, that Vince doesn't want the focus off the superstars. Vince changes his mind on a daily basis, though. Remember when he wanted it more serious, with refs calling matches as a shoot?
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Sep 6, 2009 06:47
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WeaselWeaz posted:I remember this being the reason that got leaked, that Vince doesn't want the focus off the superstars. Vince changes his mind on a daily basis, though. Remember when he wanted it more serious, with refs calling matches as a shoot? Flashing back on the WCW dvd, I loved when Nick Patrick and Jim Cornette almost got into a fist fight in the middle of a Midnight/RockNRoll tag match
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Sep 6, 2009 06:53
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Judakel posted:Why did the WWE take away the referee names? I thought it was kind of cool when stables had referees in their pockets and added extra odds to surmount for faces who were feuding with a heel stable if that referee was officiating the match. I whole problem with the "ref-in-the-pocket" storyline is why does the ref actually bother to call a somewhat fair match? First time heel grabs a pin, just ignore the kickout and count a quick three. Hell, just DQ the guy right off the bat.
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Davros1 posted:I whole problem with the "ref-in-the-pocket" storyline is why does the ref actually bother to call a somewhat fair match? First time heel grabs a pin, just ignore the kickout and count a quick three. Hell, just DQ the guy right off the bat. Because if he did he would be fired for not doing his job. He has to be slick about it in order to get away with it and keep his job. Makes perfect sense to a mark.
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