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Siamese Dream is the closest they got to a "perfect" record, I'd consider dropping Quiet (high-five shpladoinkle) if only because it kind of gets lost in among the other loud guitar rock songs. It's not Rocket or Geek USA, basically. The album would be too monotonous without songs like Sweet Sweet, Spaceboy, Luna. I can understand if you just want all rock all the time but they're pretty well written songs. They're generally free of the cringeworthy stuff that started to creep in to his writing after this album. I won't get too deep into MCIS but suffice to say it hasn't aged as well and again unless you're a massive fan the album could really benefit from being streamlined. The longer guitar freakouts all suffer in comparison to Silverfuck (Admittedly it's been a while since I played the album). Edit: I just listened to Tales of Scorched Earth again and yeah it's bad. The only bit I like now is the noise section in the middle. Adore isn't even a great record let alone the pumpkins best and I've only ever heard people who are waaay too into the pumpkins rank it as #1. I like a bunch of the songs on there and billy wanted to write write different stuff but it's clearly not what he's best at, and a couple of the songs make me cringe. Having said that several Adore tracks became really loving great when they reworked them for live shows, among my favourites. Finally, if you think The Wall has no filler you're loving nuts. Yergie posted:if he has learned to self edit this should be great. There's no way this has happened. I'm not even sure billy's quality control was all that good back in the day either, the SD era B-sides were generally pretty good too. He's never been able to self-edit but it's become more apparent as the quality of his writing/composing has dropped off. Captain Charisma posted:I've really liked most of their (his) newer output. The recent tour was polarizing as poo poo, but I think Zeitgeist and the other new stuff was really good and flew under the radar because of shitheads like Pitchfork rolling their eyes and turning up their Vampire Weekend. If you transported 16 year old, totally obsessed with the pumpkins me to the present I'd have agreed with you so I know where you're coming from but still.. How you could think Zeitgeist flew under the radar is beyond me, there was plenty of interest in it. It just wasn't very good. Machina was distributed as a gently caress-you to the label IIRC, it's not really comparable to the reasons people talk about radiohead/NIN distribution. Captain Charisma posted:Adore and Machina were when Billy finally matured as a lyricist, and I imagine his mother's passing had a lot to do with it. Ok this I don't understand, Machina is lyrically really quite bad. Even Stand Inside Your Love, a song I genuinely like, is a bit clunky. I agree that it feels like he was trying harder though, I guess. edit: gently caress this is becoming a lot of  precision posted:That's how I always read it. Lyrics aside, it's a fantastic song. if you read interviews with Jimmy he talks about how that was the record where they all just wanted to play to prove that they were good enough and after that they became more focused, cut out the fat etc.. He in particular stopped varying tempos so much, focused more on rock and less on flaunting his jazz influence. It goes a long way towards explaining why that album sounds pretty different to their other stuff (it's not just billy's hair as I thought when I was young), and I think it works really well for the most part. I still think Siamese Dream is a "better" record but I go back to Gish way more often than I do MCIS. Rupert Buttermilk posted:You don't like Rocket?! Bubble-T fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Nov 6, 2009 |
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The first time I heard "Rocket" was in a club in Orlando, and they had the bass turned up really high, and I immediately thought "Who is this chick and why is she ripping off the Jesus and Mary Chain?" Once I bought the album, it became one of my favorite songs of theirs, though.
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Captain Charisma posted:MCIS I know it's old, but I feel a point needs to be made: not having Thirty-Three on this is simply criminal. Other than that, it's pretty solid. Also, since it's still not being discussed, Adore is extremely hit-or-miss for me. There are some amazing songs on it, but gently caress, post-rock songs move more quickly than half that album.
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Gish is the quintessential 'bands first album', with that 'here we are' sound, a mixture of different elements, not quite knowing what they are but just knowing that they have to at least be really relevant (ie the grunge/alternative sound) but mixed in with a lot of flavors (psychedelic, jazz, somber). After dominant personalities enter bands, albums become much more concept based, and SP probably epitomised attempted concept albums, love it or hate it. But albums likes Gish have a raw feel which are lot of fun to listen to, a sound you only get with really good musicians knowing they want to be big and modern but not really knowing exactly how yet. If I didn't want to go to sleep so bad I'd listen to Gish now, sounds like a sunday afternoon project 
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pseudosavior posted:I know it's old, but I feel a point needs to be made: not having Thirty-Three on this is simply criminal. Other than that, it's pretty solid. Thirty-Three is boring and bland. There's no way I'd keep it.
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I know everyone has their own opinion and stuff but some of the stuff you guys say is insane. Cutting MCATIS down to 1 disc? Removing Thirty Three from the tracklisting? Adore is crap? Removing songs from Siamese Dream?!?!?! It just doesn't compute 
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When the band you obsessed about in highschool hasn't done anything worthwhile for a decade this is what happens. Also, discussions regarding single-disc MCIS are interesting because it really is a bit bloated. MCIS is two hours long. Most rock records are 40-50 minutes, siamese dream is about an hour, London Calling for comparison clocks in at 65 minutes. You can cut MCIS in half and it's still a long album. (incidentally this is why removing a song from siamese dream might also feel 'right'. Albums that long can feel like they drag even if the quality is high). Regarding Thirty Three: Yeah I'm surprised by how poorly it's aged for me, used to be one of my favourites. Commenting on that playlist: MCIS is a long, long album - your cut down list is still very long for a single disc, at 72 minutes running time it's already 10 minutes longer than siamese dream almost the same length as some double CD albums. It's possible to have a disc that length though, Disintegration is about the same (which is itself a very lengthy album). Keeping to that length: I think you've over-emphasised the really harsh/fast guitar songs. Bodies is one of the weaker ones and there's no reason to keep both gently caress You and XYU if you're cutting down to a single CD, IMHO. I'd take out XYU and Bodies, replace them with In The Arms of Sleep (which I know you mentioned as well), Beautiful and Muzzle. Muzzle/Bodies could be interchangeable I guess but while I think they're both musically a bit straightforward I think Muzzle is one of Billy's better lyrics, kind of life affirming like a slightly less sarcastic "Today". I cheated and added a minute so it's 73 minutes total. Going below that is definitely possible (i'd just cut bodies/XYU from your list and add nothing) but to get it down to the usual 40-50 minutes you'd probably want to cut the title track and some other things and it would start sounding less and less like MCIS and more like a bunch of singles.
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I really enjoyed my mix-track-listing (can't remember if it fit onto a cd) filled with all of the b-sides, in order, from The Aeroplane Flies High. Obviously, I left out Pastichio Medley. How about this... Let's make our own MCIS version of Pisces Iscariot. Take all of the MCIS b-sides from Aeroplane and order them the best way possible.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I really enjoyed my mix-track-listing (can't remember if it fit onto a cd) filled with all of the b-sides, in order, from The Aeroplane Flies High. Obviously, I left out Pastichio Medley. A friend of mine did that in high school for me. It was a two-disc affair that he called Mellow/Dramatic. Mellow was all the, well, mellow stuff, plus a few tracks from elsewhere like "Infinite Sadness" and Billy's cover of "Isolation." Dramatic was all the hard rocking b-sides and "Pastichio Medley" tacked on the end. If I could find the discs I'd post the order, but for the life of me I don't know where they went.
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3D GAY WORLD posted:That may some of the worst album cover artwork I have ever seen in my entire life.  Think before you post.
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MCIS didn't need to be quite that long, for sure, but The Swans' Soundtracks for the Blind proves that an album can be 140 minutes long and have absolutely no fat to trim whatsoever.
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I feel like I need to chime in and say that I'm slightly annoyed that they didn't end up releasing a song already, but I can't say that I'm not surprised.
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MONDO MEDICALS posted:I know everyone has their own opinion and stuff but your opinion is wrong! I'm not being hypocritical at all with this post! Lone Rogue posted:This is epic. Instantoxen fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Nov 8, 2009 |
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That is a beautiful cover.
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Berokencyde also happen to be the most hilariously awful band ever. CRUNK SCREAMO.
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The last four songs on disc 2 of MCIS are one of the strongest sections of the album in my opinion. There are songs on that album I can't stand from time to time, but I really can't see cutting it down to one disc at all.
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http://twitter.com/studiodog posted:OK,update we were scheduled to master the first 4 songs 2day but the mastering engineer is really sick so we have been rescheduled 4 Monday
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Bubble-T posted:Wall o nonsense about time Why should time matter at all? That's about the dumbest argument I've ever heard of for cutting an album. Its one thing to cut down to a -72 minute mark because changing from a single to double album makes a huge difference in packaging costs, marketing, tracklists, etc. But to cut a 70min cd down to 55min just because that's what a lot of other people do is asinine. Not to mention Billy tends to do things the way he wants to do them, for better or worse.
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Bubble-T posted:Yeah, Muzzle and Galapagos are great and in hindsight I'd probably dump Bodies and gently caress You for them. I don't even really like Bodies or gently caress You anyway, I was just trying to focus on the hard stuff since it felt like most of the album was hard stuff and therefore the band wanted it that way. I used Muzzle as my senior yearbook quote so I guess it's kind of important for me.
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Cutting down MCIS to 1 disc is insane. The album is perfect. Once it was released i pratically had it on repeat on my mini-disc the next three years. I still play it today. Thru the Eyes of Ruby and Porcelina is just epic. I think Billy never will release anything as good as MCIS, but I hope that Teargarden will have some of the old magic back.
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Yeah I did too but I wouldn't listen to the whole thing any more. Like I said earlier, I fully understand where people are coming from when they say MCIS is perfect or Adore is the best, I just don't agree at all anymore.ChesterJT posted:Not to mention Billy tends to do things the way he wants to do them, for better or worse. Any time you expect someone to sit down and listen/watch/read your work in one sitting it's important to consider running time (or it's equivalent).
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Bubble-T posted:Any time you expect someone to sit down and listen/watch/read your work in one sitting it's important to consider running time (or it's equivalent). Maybe he doesn't expect anyone to listen to it all in one sitting? I know I rarely listen to CD's in one sitting as I listen to them during my 15-20 minute drive to work. I still think Mellon Collie is amazing even if it does take a long time to go through just because there's so much stuff on it that I like. Also, any list without Stumbleine sucks.
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Awesomesauce posted:No can do. I would easily put it above Zero. Opinions, opinions. Rupert Buttermilk posted:Tales of a Scorched Earth was always my go-to "gently caress EVERYONE" song, when I was an impressionable teen. I still see it that way, I just go-to it less frequently now.
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Captain Charisma posted:...in hindsight I'd probably dump Bodies and gently caress You for them. I thought I knew what you were talking about, but... well... now I don't know....
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I thought I knew what you were talking about, but... well... now I don't know.... I dunno, I think there needs to be a better balance of hard and soft songs. Just put the two hard songs that you find to be the weakest in those spots. E: Oh wait I have Galapagos there already!
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Captain Charisma posted:I dunno, I think there needs to be a better balance of hard and soft songs. Just put the two hard songs that you find to be the weakest in those spots. I think you should read what I quoted out loud.
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In some of the studio vids you can see Billy wearing a wool cap to cover up his hair growth... It seems like he is really working hard on this album, doesn't even take a break to shave his head.
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precision posted:Berokencyde also happen to be the most hilariously awful band ever. There's a segment in one video where they're just screaming in models faces who look genuinely bored to even be there. It's probably also one of the worst songs and videos as well. Goddamn that group.
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I know this isn't the catchall SP thread really, but I happened to look at one of those celebrity gossip magazines (my female coworker brought it in and I was really bored ok!) and apparently Jessica Simpson is all about Billy Corgan now? She was all into him at some party, they disappeared together, and now the "gossip" is all abuzz about how "into to him" she is, while Billy says "she's cool, but I'm really into my music right now". I just found the whole thing to be hilarious. Who knows, maybe it will be good for him. Hell I know if I was loving Jessica Simpson I'd be writing songs all drat day, albeit simplistic ones with the repeating phrase "life is amazing, I'm loving Jessica Simpson".
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ChesterJT posted:I just found the whole thing to be hilarious. Who knows, maybe it will be good for him. Hell I know if I was loving Jessica Simpson I'd be writing songs all drat day, albeit simplistic ones with the repeating phrase "life is amazing, I'm loving Jessica Simpson". Err body knows BC makes the best music when he's depressed as gently caress.
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So has he bothered to release any of that music yet?
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A Song for A Sun (1st of 44)
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:A Song for A Sun (1st of 44) Reminds me of Pink Floyd a bit. He needs to lower the volume on the vocals a bit though, it was really jarring when they started.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:A Song for A Sun (1st of 44) It's not what I'd usually associate with Smashing Pumpkins but it's a big step in the right direction away from the likes of G.L.O.W and F.O.L. I'd even go as far as saying I quite liked it. Nice guitar solo in the middle too.
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I liked the live renditions of this song during their last tour. You can hear them at livesmashingpumpkins.com, though not for free. edit: nevermind, you can stream lower bitrate preview.
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Great, all this hype, and then it's not even something that you can download, let alone download into a mp3 version. Have to stream it through a web browser provided by AOL.
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Uhm the song is pretty good...how did that happen?IUG posted:Have to stream it through a web browser provided by AOL. Huh?
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Sorry, I mean website. That site is apparently owned by AOL, or at least the streaming technology.
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I'm not gonna lie, this blew me away. Now, bear in mind I'm not saying it is the best song ever or anything, but I was expecting really spaced-out, lovely, sentimental pop songs. Turns out, he still does have some good stuff left.
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