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Tyrion: Aug 30, 2005

Mithaldu posted:

Mind if i ask where you know this from?

I'm an Opera employee, working on Opera desktop temporarily.

# ? Feb 8, 2010 12:50

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# ? Apr 16, 2024 17:28

RoadCrewWorker: Nov 19, 2007; camels aren't so great

Oh, thats good news.

Slightly off topic:
In 10.50 you can create a new bookmark and set the adress to something silly like

code:

javascript: 
var od=document;
for( var i = 0; od.images[i]; i++ ) od.images[i].src="http://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-roadcrewworker.png";
document=od;

(or just copy paste the code into the adress bar) and it actually applies the changes to the current open tab when you click the bookmark or hit enter (works the same way in IE8) and rerenders the page. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to work in 10.10. I guess i must have missed a way this can be achieved using custom buttons while going through the examples. Userjs is not really what i want, does someone know if there's an easy solution?

Can't wait for the alpha to get more stable.

RoadCrewWorker fucked around with this message at 13:29 on Feb 8, 2010

# ? Feb 8, 2010 13:24

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Tyrion posted:

I'm an Opera employee, working on Opera desktop temporarily.

How likely is it that Opera will support h264 in html5?

# ? Feb 8, 2010 13:24

Mithaldu: Sep 25, 2007; Let's cuddle.

Tyrion posted:

I'm an Opera employee, working on Opera desktop temporarily.

Awesome. I was honestly of the impression that Opera in general just throws their arms into the air and turns around in re GDI leak issues, as I've had problems with that even in multiply patched stable versions.

Great to hear i was just paranoid.

# ? Feb 8, 2010 13:36

Tyrion: Aug 30, 2005

Pissflaps posted:

How likely is it that Opera will support h264 in html5?

I'm not really sure, but I doubt support will be included in the near future. It might be possible to get it through a separate GStreamer install.
http://my.opera.com/core/blog/2009/12/31/re-introducing-video

# ? Feb 8, 2010 14:31

Kameleon: Jan 11, 2006; gay for johnny deLOL BAT COUNTRY

Tyrion posted:

I'm an Opera employee, working on Opera desktop temporarily.

Don't suppose you know if the transparency flickering is being fixed? Might just be because I'm using the Glass skin but when scrolling occasionally the entire screen will flicker to my background. I read it was something about large images and the memory cache but I increased mine to 100MB and it still happens.

# ? Feb 8, 2010 15:22

Athletic Footjob: Sep 24, 2005; Grimey Drawer

Another new Windows only snapshot.

# ? Feb 8, 2010 15:48

Ape Agitator: Feb 19, 2004; Soylent Green is Monkeys; College Slice

I've got a need to make url link files on my computer but it's extremely cumbersome to do this the basic way (you need to drag the icon, and only the icon, from the address bar to your desktop, which requires you to not be maximized and have dead space, you can't drag it to your taskbar or a hand explorer window either). Is there a better way? Is there a custom button which will create a link somewhere, anywhere? In an ideal world it would drop it in my download folder but at this point I don't care if it hid it randomly on my hard drive anywhere.

Any ideas or tips?

# ? Feb 8, 2010 15:51

Mithaldu: Sep 25, 2007; Let's cuddle.

Ok, that one freezes while trying to load my tabs.

I guess I'll just wait for a few versions.

Thanks for the update on that.

vvvv

Mithaldu fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Feb 8, 2010

# ? Feb 8, 2010 16:01

Tyrion: Aug 30, 2005

Kameleon posted:

Don't suppose you know if the transparency flickering is being fixed?

Had a brief look but couldn't find this mentioned, so don't know...

Also the GDI fix didn't get in today's build by the way.

# ? Feb 8, 2010 16:26

Lakitu7: Jul 10, 2001; Watch for spinys

Haha, awesome. I love how we have goon spies in every company nowadays. Thanks for giving us the update, Tyrion. Now we won't put more effort into trying to narrow it down. Keep up the good work.

# ? Feb 8, 2010 19:02

Kameleon: Jan 11, 2006; gay for johnny deLOL BAT COUNTRY

Is there a way to make the status field a popup like Chrome instead of being on an always-on bar? Would save me a hell of a lot of screen real estate.

# ? Feb 9, 2010 02:40

the Dealy Lama: Apr 2, 2005; Hail Eris! Hail Eris! Hail Eris!

You used to be able to have the status bar show up in the address bar, but I didn't use that so I can't remember if it's still a feature.

# ? Feb 9, 2010 07:49

Athletic Footjob: Sep 24, 2005; Grimey Drawer

Kameleon posted:

Is there a way to make the status field a popup like Chrome instead of being on an always-on bar? Would save me a hell of a lot of screen real estate.

I think this is what you want: right click address bar > Customize > Appearance > Toolbars > Progress bar > Pop-up at bottom.

Edit: I missed other Windows only snapshot last night. Middle click scrolling is back, but that new tab mouse gesture is still opening a blank page at default.

Athletic Footjob fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Feb 9, 2010

# ? Feb 9, 2010 08:49

Kameleon: Jan 11, 2006; gay for johnny deLOL BAT COUNTRY

Blodskur posted:

I think this is what you want: right click address bar > Customize > Appearance > Toolbars > Progress bar > Pop-up at bottom.

Status field, not progress bar. Currently my status bar only contains the status field and a couple of buttons that I only have there to make it look a bit more full, I would like to eliminate it altogether.

I can't see any way to get the status field to appear inside the address bar, that would be an ideal solution for me.

# ? Feb 9, 2010 13:04

Tyrion: Aug 30, 2005

Kameleon posted:

Status field, not progress bar. Currently my status bar only contains the status field and a couple of buttons that I only have there to make it look a bit more full, I would like to eliminate it altogether.

I can't see any way to get the status field to appear inside the address bar, that would be an ideal solution for me.

Maybe Customize -> Appearance -> Buttons -> Status -> Status field, drag to address bar somewhere. It won't go inside the address field though...

# ? Feb 9, 2010 14:30

Lakitu7: Jul 10, 2001; Watch for spinys

Two new builds today. I don't see anything about the GDI handles thing, but that could well be rolled into the "various fixes" category. There don't seem to be any known issues either. The comments are talking about crashes on various pages and youtube is a little spotty.

This sounds interesting though: "Fixed DSK-279255 Middle mouse doesn't scroll". Having autoscroll break after a few days of use until I restart Opera has been a regular feature of 9.10. Hopefully this was that.

"Opera is now using the Java Plug-in instead of native Java.": What? I don't understand this. It was always using Sun's plugin and it still is. What's changed?

# ? Feb 9, 2010 17:59

Athletic Footjob: Sep 24, 2005; Grimey Drawer

Windows Beta snapshot. The new tab gesture not showing speed dial has been fixed.

Also:

Desktop Team Blog posted:

DSK-279299 Serious GDI leak in Evenes

# ? Feb 10, 2010 02:12

RoadCrewWorker: Nov 19, 2007; camels aren't so great

Blodskur posted:

Windows Beta snapshot. The new tab gesture not showing speed dial has been fixed.

Hell yes! Almost ready to switch for good. Now i only need to have the Glass Skin fixed.

Middle clicking on a bookmark folder still doesn't open all the bookmarks in it, but i hardly used that.

RoadCrewWorker fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Feb 10, 2010

# ? Feb 10, 2010 03:46

Kameleon: Jan 11, 2006; gay for johnny deLOL BAT COUNTRY

Tyrion posted:

Maybe Customize -> Appearance -> Buttons -> Status -> Status field, drag to address bar somewhere. It won't go inside the address field though...

At 1024x600 there isn't enough horizontal room for that either. A Chrome-like popup or replacing the address bar on hover would be the best solutions.

RoadCrewWorker posted:

Now i only need to have the Glass Skin fixed.

What's wrong with it? Apart from making all the other browsers very jealous...

# ? Feb 10, 2010 05:24

RoadCrewWorker: Nov 19, 2007; camels aren't so great

Kameleon posted:

What's wrong with it? Apart from making all the other browsers very jealous...

Both in normal and maximized state 1.19,1.23,1.32,1.33 disables the min/max and close buttons in the top right corner. 1.11 works oddly enough.

Some other things:
-The gesture system still seems a bit wonky. Occasionally the window will just close when i try to do the "new tab" gesture, the "close tab" gesture is only recognized 50% of the time, "reload" requires a much more precise and bigger up-down movement than before. I already played around with the treshhold value, but alt tabbing from 10.10 to 10.50 and using the same gestures its persistence is starting to irk me.

-For some reason occasionally the small previews while hovering over a tab always show up on my second screen, even when the browser is on the primary screen.

-Flash rendering is still broken with multiple windows if you create a tab in one, then drag the tab to create a new window after starting the player:

Click here for the full 1723x1054 image.
Also redragging the tabs back into the original window fails to update the draw area:

Click here for the full 1424x1044 image.

RoadCrewWorker fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Feb 10, 2010

# ? Feb 10, 2010 06:50

Kameleon: Jan 11, 2006; gay for johnny deLOL BAT COUNTRY

Is it a weird quirk with 10.5 or have the SA ads gone poo poo again? The top ad won't ever load and without it loading I can't block it.

RoadCrewWorker posted:

Both in normal and maximized state 1.19,1.23,1.32,1.33 disables the min/max and close buttons in the top right corner. 1.11 works oddly enough.

Working fine for me in 1.33. There's no hover animation on the buttons but they work. Moving the tab bar off the title bar restores the hover animation.

RoadCrewWorker posted:

Some other things:
-The gesture system still seems a bit wonky. Occasionally the window will just close when i try to do the "new tab" gesture, the "close tab" gesture is only recognized 50% of the time, "reload" requires a much more precise and bigger up-down movement than before. I already played around with the treshhold value, but alt tabbing from 10.10 to 10.50 and using the same gestures its persistence is starting to irk me.

My gestures are working fine too. I changed the threshold value before they 'fixed' it and haven't changed it back. I'm using three-finger swipes on my touchpad rather than a mouse, though.

Can't comment on the dual-screen issue or flash, really. Are you sure that's skin-related and not just 10.5 bugs?

# ? Feb 10, 2010 15:55

Mithaldu: Sep 25, 2007; Let's cuddle.

The GDI stuff is really fixed extremely well. I am all sorts of impressed now. 80 tabs with very varied content open and only 348 GDI objects used. This is the best-behaved I have Opera ever seen in regards to that.

# ? Feb 10, 2010 16:13

down1nit: Jan 10, 2004; outlive your enemies

WTF Opera Mini on the iPhone?

http://techcrunch.com/2010/02/10/opera-mini-iphone/

I'm not sure what Apple's going to do. Any bets?

EDIT: Some of the TC commenters make a good point, Opera Mini is basically a web enabled photo viewer with some HTML <map> thrown in. Obviously an oversimplification, but as long as Opera's servers handle all the data and stick to Apple's APIs shouldn't it get approved pretty quick?

down1nit fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Feb 11, 2010

# ? Feb 11, 2010 02:11

Charun: Feb 8, 2003

down1nit posted:

WTF Opera Mini on the iPhone?

http://techcrunch.com/2010/02/10/opera-mini-iphone/

I'm not sure what Apple's going to do. Any bets?

EDIT: Some of the TC commenters make a good point, Opera Mini is basically a web enabled photo viewer with some HTML <map> thrown in. Obviously an oversimplification, but as long as Opera's servers handle all the data and stick to Apple's APIs shouldn't it get approved pretty quick?

I sure as hell hope so. My mobile data costs are way to high.
Didn't apple kill google voice because it 'replicated built-in phone featutes' or something?

# ? Feb 11, 2010 03:05

Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

down1nit posted:

but as long as Opera's servers handle all the data and stick to Apple's APIs shouldn't it get approved pretty quick?

Not gonna happen.

# ? Feb 11, 2010 07:56

Sergeant Hobo: Jan 7, 2007; Zhu Li, do the thing!

Awesome. Work is canceled again today and the 10.5 beta is out.

# ? Feb 11, 2010 11:38

Mustach: Mar 2, 2003; In this long line, there's been some real strange genes. You've got 'em all, with some extras thrown in.

Wow, this version is sexy. Opera continues to be the best browser.

# ? Feb 11, 2010 16:31

alltoohuman: Jul 26, 2007; Shut up, Marx.

Sergeant Hobo posted:

Awesome. Work is canceled again today and the 10.5 beta is out.

Just installed it. This new javascript engine is all that Opera needed to be the definitive best--though here's hoping things get worked out with the whole h.264 issue at some point.

# ? Feb 11, 2010 16:46

Lakitu7: Jul 10, 2001; Watch for spinys

According to desktopteam blog it's a new build, too, not the RC from yesterday.

# ? Feb 11, 2010 16:55

RoadCrewWorker: Nov 19, 2007; camels aren't so great

RoadCrewWorker posted:

Flash rendering is still broken with multiple windows if you create a tab in one, then drag the tab to create a new window after starting the player:

Click here for the full 1723x1054 image.
Also redragging the tabs back into the original window fails to update the draw area:

Click here for the full 1424x1044 image.

This issue persists with (and only with) the latest beta release. Can anyone confirm this or is it a broken flash install (newest version) on my machine?

# ? Feb 11, 2010 16:57

ColdPie: Jun 9, 2006

Lakitu7 posted:

According to desktopteam blog it's a new build, too, not the RC from yesterday.

Wait what, I thought they were just starting to put out betas. Since when are they anywhere near RC status?

e: Oh you're talking about this
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/02/11/windows-beta-released-and-more
which uses the confusing terminology of a "Beta RC". Now Windows users have the "Final Beta" I guess.

# ? Feb 11, 2010 18:22

Greenfield: Jan 27, 2005

RoadCrewWorker posted:

This issue persists with (and only with) the latest beta release. Can anyone confirm this or is it a broken flash install (newest version) on my machine?

Just installed and mine does the same thing. Flash video stays in original spot when I drag that tab out.

# ? Feb 11, 2010 18:50

Lakitu7: Jul 10, 2001; Watch for spinys

ColdPie posted:

Wait what, I thought they were just starting to put out betas. Since when are they anywhere near RC status?

e: Oh you're talking about this
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/02/11/windows-beta-released-and-more
which uses the confusing terminology of a "Beta RC". Now Windows users have the "Final Beta" I guess.

Yeah, sorry. RCs of betas is pretty :wtf:

Today's "final beta" is not the same as the "beta RC" from yesterday.

# ? Feb 11, 2010 19:17

JonTheDon: Sep 16, 2005

I upgraded to the 10.5 beta, and now my bookmarks are all 'gone'.

They're on the Link server, and I have my bookmarks.ini - but whatever I do, I can't seem to either make it recognise them or re-sync.

# ? Feb 11, 2010 22:26

Cosmopolitan: Apr 20, 2007; Rard sele this wai -->

I've waited to switch until the beta came out, and I'm absolutely loving this update. Faster web page loads, separated Widgets, and it has all the interface niceties of Chrome, plus all the customizability that makes Opera so awesome. I must say, this is probably one of their most significant updates yet.

Edit: Hmm, does anyone here edit Wikipedia? It seems the edit box doesn't work for me. The text shows up, but clicking on it does nothing, and its scrollbar doesn't work either.

Edit 2: VVVV
Ctrl + F12 is Preferences, and Shift + F12 is Appearance, but I can't seem to find any settings for the menu bar in there. If you can't either, you can always reinstall.

Cosmopolitan fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Feb 12, 2010

# ? Feb 11, 2010 23:42

hey mom its 420: May 12, 2007

I got the beta and the first thing I did was to remove the button on the top left that displays the menu bar stuff. And now I can't get it back. Even if I click on the toolbar that has the tabs and tell it to revert to defaults, I still can't get that button back. Any ideas?

# ? Feb 12, 2010 00:08

Athletic Footjob: Sep 24, 2005; Grimey Drawer

Bonus posted:

I got the beta and the first thing I did was to remove the button on the top left that displays the menu bar stuff. And now I can't get it back. Even if I click on the toolbar that has the tabs and tell it to revert to defaults, I still can't get that button back. Any ideas?

Alt, Show Menu Bar. I selected that twice (to get rid of the actual menu bar), and it brought it back.

Athletic Footjob fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Feb 12, 2010

# ? Feb 12, 2010 00:21

Sergeant Hobo: Jan 7, 2007; Zhu Li, do the thing!

I think the new menu is slowly growing on me. It's taking me a while to find things but I'm getting better.

# ? Feb 12, 2010 00:47

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# ? Apr 16, 2024 17:28

hey mom its 420: May 12, 2007

Ah, cool. If I can open the menu by pressing alt then I don't even need the drat button. Nice.

# ? Feb 12, 2010 00:52

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