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So Earthlings doesn't say whether what they show is legal or illegal, or standard practice versus exceptional? Does it go into ways people are trying to improve things? Changes in legislation or enforcement? Things the public can do to avoid being complicit, such as farming certification schemes or specific regions to avoid buying meat from? saying LOOK AT THIS is all well and good, but without context and information, it's not really that useful except to the small number of people who will go whole-hog and become vegans.
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Yeah I think the whole point of Earthlings is just to shock you into total veganism. They are obviously biased and would rather show you the absolute worst of the worst with no context so you will assume it's the norm, and far more common than it actually is. Obviously the stuff they showed does go on and it's despicable, but if they did give statistics and facts it would lessen the impact because you'd see it's not as common as they're making out.
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dog days are over posted:Yeah I think the whole point of Earthlings is just to shock you into total veganism. They are obviously biased and would rather show you the absolute worst of the worst with no context so you will assume it's the norm, and far more common than it actually is. Obviously the stuff they showed does go on and it's despicable, but if they did give statistics and facts it would lessen the impact because you'd see it's not as common as they're making out. Are there any good, non-partisan documentaries about standard slaughterhouses and animal rearing? I don't doubt that factory farming isn't ideal, but I'd like to see a doc that presents the reality of a legal, averagely run meat rearing/slaughtering facility in my country (the UK, which has fairly good welfare legislation and good voluntary schemes like RSPCA freedom food). Honestly, I'd like to know where my food ACTUALLY comes from, not the worst conditions in places it probably doesn't come from.
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Feb 23, 2010 12:07
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American Movie is equal parts sad and hilarious as it charts the efforts of Mark Borchardt to make a film. Assisting him along this journey is his crusty old uncle Bill & best buddy Mike. Trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7N2Jz1en4w Mike tells us a bit about his past http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAbno9zroXo
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Feb 23, 2010 12:21
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Young Al Capone posted:Last Minutes With Oden It's a good story pet owners can related to. I feel that the cinematography adds a great deal to this short. I'm investing in a 7D setup myself.
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Feb 23, 2010 14:48
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Omnicarus posted:I did too. Until he told the story about the guy who pissed him off at a bar so he burned him alive in his car. Well yeah, only for that moment. The creepiest/scariest part is when he talks about asking a random stranger for directions and shooting him in the head with the crossbow to see if it's effective at killing someone. gently caress.
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Feb 23, 2010 14:58
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Food, Inc. is chock-full of statistics about factory farming. Highly recommended. http://www.netflix.com/WiSearch?v1=Food,%20Inc.&oq=food,%20inc Kara Thrace posted:Dude, it's like the second post on the first page. Well, they asked for a documentary that illustrated the industry standard and gave hard numbers instead of just visceral footage. So that's the one they should watch. Miss Areola Canasta fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Feb 23, 2010 |
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Feb 23, 2010 15:14
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Fatkraken posted:So Earthlings doesn't say whether what they show is legal or illegal, or standard practice versus exceptional? Does it go into ways people are trying to improve things? Changes in legislation or enforcement? Things the public can do to avoid being complicit, such as farming certification schemes or specific regions to avoid buying meat from? saying LOOK AT THIS is all well and good, but without context and information, it's not really that useful except to the small number of people who will go whole-hog and become vegans. Earthlings is basically an animal snuff film. I'm trying hard to find its artistic merit beyond that, but it seems like someone took the most graphic animal deaths they could find and looped it over images of slaughterhouses in order to scare the human race into not eating meat. That said, there are rare moments in the film where it shows a real cow being slaughtered in a humane fashion and you feel genuinely sorry for the cow. These moments are drowned out by some of the sickest acts of depravity ever carried out against animals though. Humans are butchered in disgusting ways every day too, it's a sick act carried out by sick individuals, and I feel like the makers of this film are exploiting some absolutely disgusting footage to get their point across.
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Miss Areola Canasta posted:Food, Inc. is chock-full of statistics about factory farming. Highly recommended. Dude, it's like the second post on the first page.
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I haven't watched Earthlings for the same reason I don't watch "caught on tape" deaths on the news. I'm not a babbie so I don't need visual confirmation that awful poo poo happens. Without having seen the film, which might make me an rear end in a top hat but whatever, I agree with SheepNameKiller completely.HatSmack posted:Well yeah, only for that moment. Yeah. I just watched this one. The fact that he's so friendly and casual about it all makes everything so much creepier. On a completely unrelated note: Lost in LaMancha is an excellent documentary about Terry Gilliam and his doomed quest to make a Don Quixote film. Gilliam always dreamed (and continue to dream) of making a Don Quixote film, but his attempt to do so was buried by disaster after disaster. It's a fascinating, sometimes funny, and ultimately heart-wrenching look at Gilliam and his work. This documentary is particularly interesting because it doesn't have to stretch to make Gilliam himself seem like Quixote in the way he doggedly pursues flights of fancy despite any trouble the industry causes him. The only Gilliam-related documentary I would be more interested in would be one about Brazil (which is the reason Giliam is on my list of favorite directors). I think the first part of the film can be found here.
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Here's a quick doc from a fellow filmmaker I met recently. Really nice guy. (Also won best Short Documentary at Festivus Film Festival) Between the Upper Lip and Nasal Passageway: A Modern Account of the Moustache It seems that anymore the moustache does not enjoy the popularity, nor the respect it did in the past: the moustache has been relegated to the likes of sex-offenders, hillbillies, truckers, and ridiculous caricatures like Ron Burgundy. Yet despite all this there is still inherent dignity in a moustache. The purpose of Between the Upper Lip and Nasal Passageway is to give short but honest glimpses of the moustache in modern society. From old-wives tales, to dancing fancy-men, to the Mexican culture where the roots of a moustache stretch back for generations. It's mysterious, it's solitary, and, even if it's funny, it's not a joke. http://vimeo.com/9038540
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Feb 23, 2010 18:50
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Skinny Bins posted:Connections I'd written a lengthy post praising this series after noticing it was missing from the list on Page 1. Didn't realize the list didn't cover the whole thread  Now I've got nothing to contribute other than to heap more praise on this series.I absolutely despised History at school, but if they'd shown us this documentary in class I would have had a very different outlook. It's almost as if school history deliberately concentrated on the dullest parts imaginable while leaving out all the fun and interesting stuff that James Burke covers. Even if, like me, you've never been a history fan I'd recommend watching this.
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Feb 23, 2010 19:50
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I had seen most of the Earthlings documentary before without the commentary, and I liked it that way. It worked better when it was just shocking unexplained footage, instead they have some jackass babbling about how we shouldn't test medicine on animals and instead just start out with humans. 
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lexleningrad posted:Shake Hands with the Devil: The Journey of Roméo Dallaire I know this is from a few pages ago, but THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! I've read the book and several others on Rwanda, but I had no idea there was a documentary of this! What a harrowing, frustrating, depressing story, especially for Dallaire. I really appreciate his brutal honesty about all of the agencies involved and his own feelings as well. In the book, he quotes someone in a pretty high level decision making position - I don't have it in front of me so I'm sure I won't do it justice - who says they have reservations about going to help Rwanda because the only resource there is humans. It boggles the mind. I'll be watching the poo poo outta this tonight.
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Jedah posted:As a follow up to my last post, here's a goon-exclusive short film. I've been holding off on posting this for a long time. It's transformed from a student project into my debut documentary: Bravo. Thank you for sharing this with us. I thought it was beautiful. I'm sending it to my extended family in Florida. Miss Areola Canasta fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Feb 23, 2010 |
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gently caress logic posted:I'll be watching the poo poo outta this tonight. Glad you're interested! Let me know what you thought of it after you've seen it. It's a pretty rare film these days and really deserves to be seen. edit: There is also a feature film made from this, it's alright but you should only watch it if you know the history/read the book/watched the documentary because it doesn't do a very god job of explaining the complexities. It kind of runs like a Hotel Rwanda/Blood Diamond based on true events. To contribute another one of my lesser-known favorites: NO VOLVERAN -The Venezuelan Revolution Now  quote:Follow the factory workers of Sanitarios Maracay in their struggle against sabotage and corruption, as they pave the way forward with their unprecedented campaign for full nationalisation under workers' control. In this feature length documentary, meet many of the key revolutionary figures to find out how they are trying build socialism of the 21st century, and how it is changing peoples lives. Link lexleningrad fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Feb 23, 2010 |
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Feb 23, 2010 21:37
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Filthy Monkey posted:Some of their work is pretty well done, but others are done fairly poorly. They will either be ill researched, such as The radioactive beasts of chernobyl, or have their reporters acting immature and generally unprofessional, like garbage island. Christ. "This is what happens when we play with technology we don't understand?" Really? Not to  , but was the guy just drunk or what?
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Mr Pigeon posted:So I misread this pretty savagely, and went to go watch The Radioactive Beasts of Chernobyl because I thought you using it as an example of a decent one, and it sounded interesting. On the other hand, I just watched Absolute Zero because of the recommendation here. Definitely a good documentary on the history of research into cold, and how that research has resulted in practical applications for society. Good stuff. Filthy Monkey fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Feb 24, 2010 |
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HatSmack posted:Holy poo poo, that guy is scary. I don't know what this documentary covers, but I read a book about him that was pretty big. He's killed countless people, often times for no reason at all. There was one part in the book where he wanted to test out a new weapon he bought, so he drove to some city, saw someone walking along the side of the street, and killed them. The dude's crazy as poo poo.
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Miss Areola Canasta posted:Bravo. Thank you for sharing this with us. I thought it was beautiful. I'm sending it to my extended family in Florida. Thanks very much.  Do you have any sailor relatives in Florida?
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SheepNameKiller posted:Earthlings is basically an animal snuff film. I'm trying hard to find its artistic merit beyond that, but it seems like someone took the most graphic animal deaths they could find and looped it over images of slaughterhouses in order to scare the human race into not eating meat. This is why I won't watch this. I couldn't even make it through the trailer, and while I realize the industry is bad, all they seemed to do was toss in the most horrible stuff imaginable, regardless of how common or uncommon it is. That being said, I've only managed to watch two documentaries so far. Zoo was awesome, though it might make you wonder about the morality of the situation. Very unbiased, too. Don't watch Last Minutes With Oden unless you have a few minutes alone to spend curled up in the fetal position. Actually, get your dog to curl up with you. Trust me.
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http://www.amazon.com/Ice-Man-Confe...erBy=addOneStar Though this is only Amazon reviewers speaking, some of the more famous hits claimed by Kuklinkski may indeed have been committed by person(s) other than him. As for the rest, who knows.
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I have a request. I saw a documentary forever ago called Fat Girls and Feeders - about 'fat admirers' and those awful men who stuff their wives like foie gras ducks until they're immobile blobs. Can anyone find a streaming copy? e: here's a picture of the movie's featured couple 
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Valkyn posted:The Iceman: Confessions of a Mafia Hitman So interesting. I am so close to stopping it because I can hardly stand listening to his chewing/smacking mouth anymore. Disgusting and so annoying >:[
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Turned off Earthlings when he compared the Holocaust to current animal rights and went even further saying that the Holocaust ended and yet animal rights violations haven't. What kind of deluded shithead do you have to be to believe that is a fair comparison?
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bitches aint poo poo posted:Turned off Earthlings when he compared the Holocaust to current animal rights and went even further saying that the Holocaust ended and yet animal rights violations haven't. What kind of deluded shithead do you have to be to believe that is a fair comparison? Well, you see the pigs are like jews
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Blacknose posted:A Blank on the Map Awesome documentary. It doesn't just provide a good story, but it raises interesting moral questions. Is the expedition fueled by belevolence or ethnocentrism? Part of me feels cultures like this should be left alone. It's great the explorers were able to provide simple medical care, but I'm sure that language is endangered now, their culture eroded by hegemony.
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Miss Areola Canasta posted:Awesome documentary. It doesn't just provide a good story, but it raises interesting moral questions. Is the expedition fueled by belevolence or ethnocentrism? Part of me feels cultures like this should be left alone. It's great the explorers were able to provide simple medical care, but I'm sure that language is endangered now, their culture eroded by hegemony. As far as I understand they were pretty much left alone by the guys mounting the expedition and the authorities. However christian missionaries have since discovered the Biami people 
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Miss Areola Canasta posted:I have a request. I saw a documentary forever ago called Fat Girls and Feeders - about 'fat admirers' and those awful men who stuff their wives like foie gras ducks until they're immobile blobs. Can anyone find a streaming copy? Earthlings is looking pretty good right about now.
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http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=6151699791256390335&ei=MmSFS9-PJI2QwgPPi4SXCQ&q=nassim+haramein If you are not yet familiar with Nassim Haramein's exciting work, prepare yourself for an exhilarating odyssey into hyperspace and beyond. Haramein, who has spent his lifetime researching fields of physics from quantum theory to relativistic equations and cosmology, will lead you along a fascinating discussion geared to a layman's understanding of the fundamental nature of the universe and creation that includes black holes, gravitational forces, dimensions, and the very structure of space itself - all of which are integral parts of his now-complete Unified Field Theory.
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Does anyone have a link for Every F**king Day that works in Canada? I can't seen to watch it off the HBO site.
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Filthy Monkey posted:Just watched "Earthlings" which had been recommended a couple times in this thread. While I certainly agree with the main message about treating animals better, the entire video is mostly an appeal to emotion. You get clip after clip of slaughterhouses and the like, but it doesn't usually give you much of a frame of reference, or back up a lot of what it says with sources. A brief blurb in the video about each clip such as "This is facility XXX in location XXX which does XXX, recorded at date XXX. This facility produces xx% of the meat for brand XX" would at least help you identify what you are looking at. You don't get any real idea if the clips you are looking at are standard practice or exceptional instances. I have friends that own dairy farms and while cows are kept in tightly spaced areas this is only when weather is bad. Outside of that they are allowed outside to graze. Additionally they wash the poo poo off the floor every day to prevent it from becoming a cesspool. Hell they even have names for all their cows (over 50) and can tell them apart. Again, Earthlings is a good documentary to shock you into the reality of corporate farming. Pigs with open cancerous wounds get ground up into your meat and disease ridden downs form your McDonalds burgers. However there are still farms out there with farmers that do care about their profession and the animals they work with. Earthlings says "every farm is like this" which is a lie. However the farms it refers to do exist. PS - The thing about scientific research is absolute bullshit. They simply ask the question "Can research on animals tell us what happens to humans?" Then instantly answer "NO!" This is a complete and utter lie.
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Awesome BBC documentary about Chaos Theory. The Secret Life of Chaos  This film is the story of a series of bizarre and interconnected discoveries that revealed a hidden face of nature. It is about how inanimate matter with no purpose or design can spontaneously create exquisite beauty. It is about the same laws that make the universe chaotic and unpredictable, can turn the simple dust into human beings. You'll find out the astonishing beauty in the order of disorder and how computers simulate evolution, with an accompanying haunting soundtrack (including the tracks by Brian Eno, Philip Glass, Erik Satie etc.).  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HACkykFlIus Part 1 of 6 (all parts are there) VirusUK fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Feb 24, 2010 |
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Naked Ambition: An R Rated Look at an X Rated Industry Synopsis: Based off world famous photographer Michael Grecco's popular coffee book, Naked Ambition takes a R rated look at an X rated industry. This ground breaking documentary exposes the filmmakers and personalities in the world of adult entertainment as well as explores the modern cultures acceptance of pornography into the mainstream. Trailer here: http://www.nakedambition.com/ Amazon VOD rental here: http://www.amazon.com/Naked-Ambition-Rated-Look-Industry/dp/B002K052UG/ This was a really insightful and also pretty amusing documentary about the adult film industry. It's one of the few positive portrayals I've seen, and really captures a lot of quirkiness and unique personalities. Its a bummer that it's not available for free, but it's well worth the rental price.
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dog days are over posted:Yeah I think the whole point of Earthlings is just to shock you into total veganism. They are obviously biased and would rather show you the absolute worst of the worst with no context so you will assume it's the norm, and far more common than it actually is. Obviously the stuff they showed does go on and it's despicable, but if they did give statistics and facts it would lessen the impact because you'd see it's not as common as they're making out. I'm glad I'm not the only person who couldn't make it all the way through. I am a vegetarian because my thoughts about meat have always been, "If I couldn't kill an animal myself, I shouldn't be eating it." And I probably couldn't kill an animal, even if was in a humane-non-skinning-alive way. I really considered buying one of those really warm Canada Goose coats for the winter but then realized that it would have made me a huge hypocrite. Knockoffs are more humane and cheaper! The reason I believe that though is because I think our culture is problematically distanced from ALL THE FOOD we eat. I really liked Food Inc. because it showed where it comes from. Earthlings is just a shock film without context. Edit: My favourite Part of This Film is Not Yet Rated was the commentary on how the MPAA has become more puritanical recently than they were int eh 70's. Which, when you watch some old films is quite prescient. Content: Second Skin http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/08/06/votd-second-skin-documentary-about-gamers-addicted-to-mmorpgs/. This film might be about you. peter banana fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Feb 24, 2010 |
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Is there any HD documentary about solar system?
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HipGnosis posted:I'm glad I'm not the only person who couldn't make it all the way through. Do you grow and harvest all your vegetables and fruits?
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Nuke Goes KABOOM posted:Do you grow and harvest all your vegetables and fruits? I have a garden in the summer! I would, if I had the space.
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This film is not yet rated, Maxed out, and King of kong all worth the time to watch. Fat Head http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgBLQIJEcbE While most people saw the documentary Super Size Me as an exposé of the fast food industry, comedian and former health writer Tom Naughton saw it as a dare: He'd show that you could lose weight on a diet of burgers and fries. In addition to chronicling Naughton's weight drop, the film provides interviews with doctors, nutritionists and others to drive home his thesis that most of what we know about "healthy eating" is wrong. I saw this before Super Size me, SSM seems very staged and over-dramatized with the project.
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Yay for documentaries! I always love these threads. This site has a TON of really interesting documentaries: http://documentaryheaven.com/ I recommend checking out Thin (link: http://documentaryheaven.com/thin/) It follows a group of women undergoing inpatient treatment for eating disorders. Really powerful stuff.
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