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I still meet people who are totally convinced that Ultimate Warrior died and The Undertaker was played by at least 3 different people. And no, not in the way that his original name was Kane the Undertaker and Kane became a character later on. Just that Undertaker has been portrayed by numerous people.
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EricCrapton posted:I still meet people who are totally convinced that Ultimate Warrior died and The Undertaker was played by at least 3 different people. And no, not in the way that his original name was Kane the Undertaker and Kane became a character later on. Just that Undertaker has been portrayed by numerous people. they're probably basing that on the Underfaker.
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Lamuella posted:they're probably basing that on the Underfaker. No, I just think they're really loving stupid.
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Mar 12, 2010 18:56
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Ziggy Tsardust posted:(gently caress Mario Lopez) Is he a bitch rear end?
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I used to watch WCW in the '90s, flipping back and forth between that and Raw. I admit that my recollection isn't perfect, and I never really studied the behind-the-scenes business and politics stuff. I mainly remember that WCW had some really good workers, but they also had stupid characters and storylines that belonged in the '80s, an old boys' club of aging starts who weren't very entertaining to watch, and were always trying to put people over with really transparent squash matches with one of an army of jobbers. I know it was really obvious but I was immensely satisfied to hear Bret Hart say that Goldberg had been "hand-fed" all his opponents.
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Halloween Jack posted:I know it was really obvious but I was immensely satisfied to hear Bret Hart say that Goldberg had been "hand-fed" all his opponents. Are you suggesting Jerry Flynn and the Barbarian were not worthy of WCW world title shots?
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Watch some of his matches early on, and you can see why WCW would see potential in Goldberg. He just kinda never really moved on to a veteran stage, and stayed fairly green until the end of his career. Also, isn't everyone hand-fed their opponents? Is Bret suggesting that he actually had to out-wrestle people until they tapped to the sharpshooter in a real fight?
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Save Russian Jews posted:Watch some of his matches early on, and you can see why WCW would see potential in Goldberg. No, he's saying that, in storyline, Goldberg was given easy opponents so he could keep up the streak. Didn't he beat Jerry Lynn like, 20 times in the streak?
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I remember I believe it was summer of 1998 WCW pushed the hell out of Meng out of nowhere and had him go on this reign of terror loving everyone up with his tongan death grip, which eventually lead to a big Nitro match between him and Goldberg where the nWo said they were going to be special outside enforcers, so the Wolfpack came out as well to help ensure Goldberg didn't get hosed over. Maybe it was just because I was a total mark and new to wrestling but I always found that whole thing pretty well done, and was a good example of how WCW used to actually build up story lines over several months. One other really good example was a mid-1998 program between Hart and Sting that resulted in a really unexpected/sudden turn by Bret Hart that lead to the Halloween Havoc match between the two. Anyway my point is I always thought old WCW used to be very good at developing months-long story lines, whereas WWF at the time seemed to develop new ones the Raw after a PPV, culminating in the next PPV, then moving to a new one. *edit - of course, just watching the match on Youtube I'm reminded of how terrible/sloppy it was. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISWuM34syqY *edit #2 - just for fun here's what I always thought was Goldberg's best match, or at least one of them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW0x5PX7AX4 MyStereoHasMono fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Mar 12, 2010 |
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MyStereoHasMono posted:Anyway my point is I always thought old WCW used to be very good at developing months-long story lines, whereas WWF at the time seemed to develop new ones the Raw after a PPV, culminating in the next PPV, then moving to a new one. What was disappointing was when the months-long storyline was wiped out like a sitcom after months of buildup. I don't remember well, but I remember a hogan face turn kinda going through but then he was like "gently caress this I'm hollywood still," or something.
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Meng had cool pants.
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Capsaicin posted:No, he's saying that, in storyline, Goldberg was given easy opponents so he could keep up the streak. Jerry Flynn (not as good as Jerry Lynn!), and probably a lot more than 20 times
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WCW put Jerry Flynn in a ppv match. (His opponents were The Cat & Sonny Onoo, handicap match, IIRC) And that's nowhere near the insanely stupidest, self-destructivest thing they booked. But I really miss them. Even the bad stuff. The IWC (I haven't used that term in forever) used to have so much more material, so much news and gossip and excitement, because we had WCW and ECW that really were lunatic-run asylums. And WCW had a Hollywood budget, no less. It really was a special time. I'm an old-timer, I got into WCW circa '89, so I was fortunate - I got to see stuff like Muta vs. AA, Vader's debut (it's all about the Giger Elephant Helmet), Sting and Luger in their primes (yes, Luger was good circa '89-90), Flair cutting promos with confidence (and without desperation). That's what I like to look back on. Sadly, for every one great memory like that, there's three more of stuff like The Ding Dongs, The Yeti, The Powers That Be, etc. Say what you will about WCW, but they really were the place for great American wrestling up until '00 or so. Just like the McMahon anecdote, while he was in the Sports Entertainment business, WCW was in the 'rasslin' business. That's what I miss. Pardon the ramble, this thread brought back way too many memories.
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mention of a hollywood budget reminds me of those awesome mini-movies that WCW did to promote Sting matches in the early nineties. I say "awesome" in the sense that I was awed that they ever got approved. The ones I remember are "spin the wheel, make the deal", which was actually fairly badass even though it led to Sting and Jake the Sanem having a coal miner's glove match, "Vader's White Castle Of Death", and the one where an evil midget plants a bomb on Sting and Davey Boy Smith's boat. Ah, Cheatum The Midget, the original Hornswoggle.
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Lamuella posted:The ones I remember are "spin the wheel, make the deal", which was actually fairly badass even though it led to Sting and Jake the Sanem having a coal miner's glove match Oh my God... that ended with Sting and Jake blasting each other with optic lasers...
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Mar 13, 2010 16:05
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here it is in all its retarded glory http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgT5ta5oWCc
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I laugh whenever I see the wiki for Starrcade 1999 and realize they booked 13 matches for a 3-hour show.
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Dario Delfino posted:Oh my God... that ended with Sting and Jake blasting each other with optic lasers... Yeah watching that made me glad the horsemen beat the poo poo out of Sting and broke his kneecap. Bonus content: I still have a phobia about people touching my knees because of that angle to this day.
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Via the Death Valley Driver boards, some WCW memories for you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPj1xf-prHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZd-5pEdV9g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8RKnSIxQsE I miss WCW. 
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Lamuella posted:here it is in all its retarded glory What's with the little dude with the eyepatch? Did he have a role in WCW outside these two videos? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsqA4w9IbeQ&feature=related#t=3m22s
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Curtis of Nigeria posted:What's with the little dude with the eyepatch? Did he have a role in WCW outside these two videos? Cheatum the One-Eyed Midget, I don't know if he was in anything other than those two videos but I know his name!
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those videos made me remember how much I enjoyed Crowbar in WCW. He was just a goof, but seeing him doing poo poo like thumb wrestling with Daffney while David Flair was being interviewed in the foreground always made me giggle.
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Holy poo poo, were Crowbar and Kanyon two different people?
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Blinken posted:Holy poo poo, were Crowbar and Kanyon two different people? yes. Crowbar was Devon Storm and Kanyon was Chris Kanyon.
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whatsabattle posted:Via the Death Valley Driver boards, some WCW memories for you. I hope somebody does the same to TNA soon after it dies. My favourite part was some actress having to yell "david, wait, you're not a wrestler" as arquette goes after somebody.
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Wazzu posted:I hope somebody does the same to TNA soon after it dies. My favourite part was some actress having to yell "david, wait, you're not a wrestler" as arquette goes after somebody. That is his wife, Courtney Cox.
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I liked David Arquette as champion because after he turned heel he went all out with the ridiculous clothes and super annoying persona. At that point I had completely given up on WCW as a serious company, so them doing train wreck poo poo like that was enough to make me tune in. Russo manipulated me like a puppet
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Reading through this thread makes me wonder why I ever thought WCW was legitimately serious wrestling when I was a child. Do they make time machines to let you go back and slap yourself for being not so smart?
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Benign posted:Reading through this thread makes me wonder why I ever thought WCW was legitimately serious wrestling when I was a child. Sting.
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triplexpac posted:I liked David Arquette as champion because after he turned heel he went all out with the ridiculous clothes and super annoying persona. At that point I had completely given up on WCW as a serious company, so them doing train wreck poo poo like that was enough to make me tune in. I think that David Arquette is actually a little nutty so it played well into his, erm, character. Adam Carolla made some snarky remarks about him on Loveline one time and he happened to be out and about and he came to the studio and I can only assume tried to hit Adam with a chair until Dr. Drew gave him a LARIATOOOOO~! and Courtney Cox loaded him back in the car. If Russo had come in a little earlier, then that might have been an actual televised wrestling angle on tv. It would also put Loveline, and by extension OUR REALITY in canon with Robocop. 
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considering that Jay Leno has headlined a WCW ppv, I think we're long past the point of our reality being part of WCW, Robocop's world, and the Tommy Westphall Universe
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The main event of the next-to-last Nitro was Ric Flair and Jeff Jarrett kissing a donkey's rear end. I just thought we needed to be reminded of that.
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CVagts posted:The main event of the next-to-last Nitro was Ric Flair and Jeff Jarrett kissing a donkey's rear end. I just thought we needed to be reminded of that. And the first 6 years of nitro had people kissing Hogan's rear end.
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Moose Bigelow posted:And the first 6 years of nitro had people kissing Hogan's rear end. Sorry, the correct response was "I thought Hogan left WCW before the next to last Nitro."
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Blinken posted:Holy poo poo, were Crowbar and Kanyon two different people? Not only that, but I'm pretty sure they had ANOTHER guy who looked just like Crowbar. The angle was that Crowbar was in love with Daffney and she had a new wrestler boyfriend who happened to look exactly like him.
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the guy who works at my local comic book store looks just like Crowbar, and is a huge mark for oldschool wcw.
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For the last ~10 years I always thought it was one guy. WCW putting pants on someone and calling it a different character seemed in no way unbelievable to me.
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Lamuella posted:the guy who works at my local comic book store looks just like Crowbar, and is a huge mark for oldschool wcw. What do you mean "looks like"?
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ThatCguy posted:What do you mean "looks like"? I did briefly wonder if it was the same guy, I admit.
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Gavok posted:Not only that, but I'm pretty sure they had ANOTHER guy who looked just like Crowbar. The angle was that Crowbar was in love with Daffney and she had a new wrestler boyfriend who happened to look exactly like him. That'd be a great visual joke, but very odd at an angle length. It can only go "guy vs similar looking guy" from there.
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