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Went through a marathon of this show for the past month or so. Best show ever, just one question though: Who is Eisenach playing chess with? (ep 106, right at the end) 
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Mar 29, 2010 21:04
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Luke Johnson posted:Went through a marathon of this show for the past month or so. Best show ever, just one question though: Himself. e: THE COMPUTER
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Mar 29, 2010 21:27
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Zorak posted:Himself. Poor Eisenach, there's a table full of the finest strategic minds in the galaxy behind him and nobody wants to play chess with him. 
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Mar 29, 2010 22:01
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Luke Johnson posted:Poor Eisenach, there's a table full of the finest strategic minds in the galaxy behind him and nobody wants to play chess with him.
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Mar 29, 2010 22:18
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Eisenach is super duper awesome for a guy that literally get's less than 20 minutes screen time in the entire 100 + episode series.
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Mar 29, 2010 22:45
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Very few of the Admirals struck me as chess players. Maybe Mecklinger, Reunthal and Wolfgang. Bittenfeld strikes me as more of a hungry hungry Hippos kind of dude. I'm curious as to how the less prominent admirals are portrayed in the novels.
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Mar 29, 2010 22:53
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Luke Johnson posted:Went through a marathon of this show for the past month or so. Best show ever, just one question though: Would anyone happen to know somewhere I could get the sound clip of just that scene? It's just such a great moment, but google/youtube never had good results.
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Mar 29, 2010 23:06
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Gils posted:Would anyone happen to know somewhere I could get the sound clip of just that scene? It's just such a great moment, but google/youtube never had good results.
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Mar 29, 2010 23:10
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Popo posted:Very few of the Admirals struck me as chess players. Maybe Mecklinger, Reunthal and Wolfgang. Bittenfeld strikes me as more of a hungry hungry Hippos kind of dude. Apparently the novels have significantly less material than the anime, unlike how adaptations usually are in the Western world. One example: Dusty Attenborough doesn't exist in the books. Also Mecklinger is totally a chess man.
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Mar 29, 2010 23:14
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sensual benny posted:One example: Dusty Attenborough doesn't exist in the books. Official: The books are wildly inferior and should be ignored.
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Mar 29, 2010 23:16
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AzraelNewtype posted:Official: The books are wildly inferior and should be ignored. Jesus christ yes gently caress that noise dusty is the pimpinest [celibate] admiral!
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Mar 30, 2010 00:29
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Popo posted:Bittenfeld strikes me as more of a hungry hungry Hippos kind of dude. If only Discount Bees or some other artistically-inclined goon would draw that.
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Mar 30, 2010 00:34
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Popo posted:Very few of the Admirals struck me as chess players. Maybe Mecklinger, Reunthal and Wolfgang. Bittenfeld strikes me as more of a hungry hungry Hippos kind of dude. This is the best mental image ever. Thank you for that.
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Mar 30, 2010 01:40
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Swilo posted:You're going to have to rip it out of the episode yourself, or get someone else to. Do you want the video too, or just audio? Ah, I was hoping it was somewhere convenient. I can take care of it myself then. Also goddamn Bittenfeld would be great at HHH, plus that game is the best
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Mar 30, 2010 03:47
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Just finished the series after starting to power through it over spring break. Obviously a fantastic show, but a few things bugged me: Interstellar travel: We know they have warp travel, but we only see it used once. All ship interactions occur via conventional engines, including ambushes and fleet arrivals, and we never see ships warp in or out. I'd expect warping in to be a great way for fleets to get the drop on their enemies. Logistics: The numbers can be a bit hard to wrap one's head around, but at several points it just didn't seem clear where the ships were coming from. Tens of thousands of ships blown up each battle, 90% of fleets destroyed, millions dead, yet there are always more ships/guys to replace them within a couple of months. We never see anything like shipyards, so it's hard to see what their production schedule is like. I know that space is large, but there are a finite number of inhabited systems on that map, those ships look pretty resource intensive, and unless you have an entire fleet of greenhorns the turnover rate for ship hands would require massive armies of reserves. Iserlohn's shell: Iserlohn is an amazingly designed piece of sci-fi, and one of the coolest things in the series (right behind Reuental and Mittermeyer), but getting a ship with huge open engine ports through a thick layer of liquid metal seems problematic. How do the engines operate when they're flooded with metal? Hero units: This comes in two flavors, ships and hand-to-hand. Particularly for the Alliance side (Empire has ships like the Hildegarde and Parcivale that are obviously better), the ships used by commanders don't seem to have a reason to be tougher than the rest, which get blown up in a shot or two. Yet it's very rare for the command ship to be targeted (unless you're Muller, lol), even though it seems like it would be your best bet. And when it comes to hand-to-hand, apparently part of being a Fleet Admiral is being far better trained in hand-to-hand combat and marksmanship than dedicated infantry. Especially Reuental, who is a goddamn ninja.  Philosophy dumps: Not a blanket condemnation of them, but the quality was a bit uneven. Sometimes the writers went out of their way to be nuanced, but sometimes they seemed content to knock down straw men versions of arguments, which made a few episodes (the stuff with Negroponty in particular) feel a bit heavy-handed and preachy. Reinhard's illness: Not for the same reason that people were complaining about a couple pages back, more a matter of my own perceptions. When Yang and Prince Reinhard met in ep 54, Emil brought in some tea, and gave a really sly look when he gave it to Yang. Yang almost brought the tea to his lips, gave it a nasty look, and didn't touch it again. (In retrospect, it may have had more to do with the discussion about the water of one's home country.) I took it as Emil possibly having poisoned the tea, and spent the rest of the series wondering if Reinhard's declining health meant that Emil was slowly poisoning him as part of a drawn-out revenge plan. Blond hair: Goddamn blinding in season 4.
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Apr 5, 2010 07:43
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Paracelsus posted:Interstellar travel: We know they have warp travel, but we only see it used once. All ship interactions occur via conventional engines, including ambushes and fleet arrivals, and we never see ships warp in or out. I'd expect warping in to be a great way for fleets to get the drop on their enemies. Warping is only solar-system to solar system, and is only in a linear path from star to star. Within systems, you're stuck in conventional transportation. Warping fleets together is troublesome, and short-range warps with fleets in a combat situation runs the risk of fleets emerging almost into each other. We see this happen with Mittermeyer a few times because he's SO FAST ABOUT EVERYTHING. quote:millions dead, yet there are always more ships/guys to replace them within a couple of months. We never see anything like shipyards, so it's hard to see what their production schedule is like. I know that space is large, but there are a finite number of inhabited systems on that map, those ships look pretty resource intensive, and unless you have an entire fleet of greenhorns the turnover rate for ship hands would require massive armies of reserves. They pointed out that much of EPA's young adults are in the military due to a combination of draft and the fact that the military is really the only way to make any money short of industry. They point this out repeatedly both directly and indirectly. Both of the forces manage to essentially wipe out major portions of their respective populations in the war. The EPA never really creates any new fleets, you may notice; Yang's fleet before attacking Iserlohn is the only real fleet creation we see, everything else is restructuring and reorganizing pre-existing fleets. quote:Iserlohn's shell: Iserlohn is an amazingly designed piece of sci-fi, and one of the coolest things in the series (right behind Reuental and Mittermeyer), but getting a ship with huge open engine ports through a thick layer of liquid metal seems problematic. How do the engines operate when they're flooded with metal? Pretty sure there's just no openings on the outside of the ships (they're capable of water landings mind) and their engines provide enough exhaust possibly to keep the metal out of the engines, the only thing that matters. Also it looks cool so deal with it. quote:Hero units: This comes in two flavors, ships and hand-to-hand. Particularly for the Alliance side (Empire has ships like the Hildegarde and Parcivale that are obviously better), the ships used by commanders don't seem to have a reason to be tougher than the rest, which get blown up in a shot or two. Yet it's very rare for the command ship to be targeted (unless you're Muller, lol), even though it seems like it would be your best bet. And when it comes to hand-to-hand, apparently part of being a Fleet Admiral is being far better trained in hand-to-hand combat and marksmanship than dedicated infantry. Especially Reuental, who is a goddamn ninja. Most admirals are parked in the back of formations, and you can't exactly "snipe" ships without breaking formation which, mind, tends to lead to trouble. You'd have to constantly be reorientating your fleet to try to shoot at a single ship that you think may be located somewhere in a formation, while the enemy formation is counter-reforming and blowing you to giblets. quote:Reinhard's illness: Not for the same reason that people were complaining about a couple pages back, more a matter of my own perceptions. When Yang and Prince Reinhard met in ep 54, Emil brought in some tea, and gave a really sly look when he gave it to Yang. Yang almost brought the tea to his lips, gave it a nasty look, and didn't touch it again. (In retrospect, it may have had more to do with the discussion about the water of one's home country.) I took it as Emil possibly having poisoned the tea, and spent the rest of the series wondering if Reinhard's declining health meant that Emil was slowly poisoning him as part of a drawn-out revenge plan. this is the dumbest thing
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Apr 5, 2010 07:51
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Paracelsus posted:Just finished the series after starting to power through it over spring break. I think the philosophy was as well weaved into it as any anime has ever done. Sometimes it was ham handed but I would take that over the way it has been dealt with in other anime. Also hahahah you think Emil is some kind of Livia from I Claudius.
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Apr 5, 2010 08:21
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Negroponty and his really dumb bureaucratic ilk who work mostly for their own power were a reflection of the Japanese democratic system which is nepotistic and like that in real life Nothing was really done about it until recently due to general apathy
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Apr 5, 2010 08:29
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Zorak posted:Warping is only solar-system to solar system, and is only in a linear path from star to star. Within systems, you're stuck in conventional transportation. quote:Pretty sure there's just no openings on the outside of the ships (they're capable of water landings mind) and their engines provide enough exhaust possibly to keep the metal out of the engines, the only thing that matters. quote:Most admirals are parked in the back of formations, and you can't exactly "snipe" ships without breaking formation which, mind, tends to lead to trouble. You'd have to constantly be reorientating your fleet to try to shoot at a single ship that you think may be located somewhere in a formation, while the enemy formation is counter-reforming and blowing you to giblets. quote:this is the dumbest thing
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Apr 5, 2010 08:31
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They kinda showed a shipyard once; During the Yang rebellion that satellite station was mass-producing ships.
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Apr 5, 2010 08:43
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Paracelsus posted:
Real post the ships blowing up around the command is for dramatic effect. Plus plot armor. In terms of in world explanations you'd have to assume the density of ships in front of the command ships would probably be much greater so as to not allow it through ,which would not be the case in the surrounding ships. I had no remote inclination that emil was doing anything sketchy but I really thought they were going to do something more with his character. Honestly I figured the show would have done another time skip and had him be the one to find the cure for reinhard, or something to that effect, since both the disease and Emil's aspiration to be a doctor are revealed at about the same time. The alliance also starts putting together new fleets just before ragnarok busts through but yeah it was pretty much too little too late. The series dealt with the alliance's depletion of ships very well I thought.
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Apr 5, 2010 09:44
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Paracelsus posted:Reinhard's illness: Not for the same reason that people were complaining about a couple pages back, more a matter of my own perceptions. When Yang and Prince Reinhard met in ep 54, Emil brought in some tea, and gave a really sly look when he gave it to Yang. Yang almost brought the tea to his lips, gave it a nasty look, and didn't touch it again. (In retrospect, it may have had more to do with the discussion about the water of one's home country.) I took it as Emil possibly having poisoned the tea, and spent the rest of the series wondering if Reinhard's declining health meant that Emil was slowly poisoning him as part of a drawn-out revenge plan. Reinhard likes coffee, and that's what Emil served. Yang has mentioned a few times throughout the series that he despises coffee, so he was grossed out by the choice of drink. You can colour that with a "waters of your own nation" kind of metaphor, but I really don't think poison has anything to do with it.
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Apr 5, 2010 14:21
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Yang is a drunk that was being served something nonalcoholic so... Actually their choice of drinks explains a lot about them. Reinhard the coffee drinker is a go getting conquerer, while Yang just wants to lay back and chill. Unmistakeable Fire fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Apr 5, 2010 |
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Apr 5, 2010 18:37
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 well that's interesting
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Apr 28, 2010 05:59
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Eronarn posted:
"America's Tea Party movement has licensed the Japanese OVA Legend of the Galactic Heroes in a bid to show how a corrupt democracy crippled by dangerous minorities at all levels of leadership can be dealt with by strong white leadership"
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Apr 28, 2010 06:23
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Was not sure where that was going, but then I lost it.
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Apr 28, 2010 13:46
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Eronarn posted:
aaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA also: convinced my Sci/Fi Films professor to show the first LOGH movie in class for our final I am the best
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Apr 28, 2010 20:29
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Zorak posted:aaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA How does that work exactly (also that is pretty awesome)?
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Apr 28, 2010 20:40
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ANN - Legend of the Galactic Heroes Global Net Game Licensed posted:The Japanese online game company GameOn announced on Monday that it licensed the global rights to adapt Yoshiki Tanaka's Legend of the Galactic Heroes novel series into a browser-based online game. The space opera epic follows the conflict between the Galactic Empire and Free Planets Alliance, as well as the personal stories of Imperial Admiral Reinhard von Lohengramm and the Alliance's Yang Wen-Li. GameOn's development and distribution license is worldwide, and the company intends to run the tentatively titled Legend of the Galactic Heroes Online game not only in Japan, but throughout the world. Wonder what kind of game it'll be.
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Apr 29, 2010 11:00
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Guyver posted:Wonder what kind of game it'll be. This series gets the strangest adaptations sometimes. Lets make it a manga with Shojo art! Lets make it a stage play! Lets make it a browser game!
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Apr 29, 2010 11:45
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As a clueless newcomer to the series, I was wondering: - Should I watch the prequel stuff before the main series? After? Not at all? - Does "Overture to a New War" replace episodes 1 & 2? Or is it all additional stuff that happens to take place at the same time?
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Apr 29, 2010 13:59
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Mr. Stay-Puft posted:- Should I watch the prequel stuff before the main series? After? Not at all? quote:- Does "Overture to a New War" replace episodes 1 & 2? Or is it all additional stuff that happens to take place at the same time? Don't forget to watch the movie "My Conquest is the Sea of Stars" first...it's technically the pilot episode in a way. After that watch "Overture to a New War", then start the main series on episode 3. At least I think that would be the best way to go about it.
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Apr 29, 2010 14:06
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That's definitely the way to go. "My Conquest" functions kind of like a prologue -- it's self-contained and somewhat detached from the main story, but it sets up the characters and the setting well. "Overture" is more like a feature-length pilot, and leads directly into the main story, with a lot more colour and depth than the original two episodes. Conquest -> Overture -> Episode 3 and beyond Watch the Gaiden episodes (prequels) after you're finished with the main series and hurting for more.
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Apr 29, 2010 19:27
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Mr. Stay-Puft posted:As a clueless newcomer to the series, I was wondering: Takes No Damage posted:The gaidens are definitely worth seeing after the main series. They're numbered in a confusing way, but basically it's two season's worth of episodes. The first dealing with Reinhard before we see him in the first ep of the main series, the second season is the same thing for Yang. You can see how each individual gaiden is split up in my post Takes No Damage posted:1 Valley of White Silver #1-4 check Maybe we should stick this list in the OP or something, I actually had a hard time just finding the names and proper order for all the gaidens, most sources seem to mix them up for some reason. edit: and maybe add in what benny said about My Conquest being Episode 0 and Overture replacing Episodes 1 & 2. I believe that would lay out all LOGH content for people to see what goes where and when. I Feel Every Flower That is Screaming to Consume You Takes No Damage fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Apr 30, 2010 |
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Apr 30, 2010 00:35
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Yeah, that list of titles for Gaiden is very helpful to a person like me who has finished the series and is starting the prequels. Central Anime has the most confusing episode naming scheme for these, especially if you aren't already aware of the way the eps are organized. It's too bad that the Gaiden eps don't seem to have any seeds, though.
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Apr 30, 2010 01:01
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I didn't know there was a LOGH RTS game made already for PC in 2008 until I read this Japanator article about the upcoming browser game. It's like a wet dream coming true for a Homeworld fan like me. Time to study Japanese even harder! There is a youtube video of the 3D LOGH RTS game link in the article: http://www.japanator.com/a-legend-of-the-galactic-heroes-video-game-do-want-14716.phtml#ext If they do end up making a LOGH browser game similar to empire sims such as Astro Empire available internationally, I probably won't stop playing it if they can somehow retain the atmosphere and the lore of the series. I usually lose interest in those free to play browser games after a month.
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Apr 30, 2010 18:58
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bubblegumbo0 posted:I didn't know there was a LOGH RTS game made already for PC in 2008 until I read this Japanator article about the upcoming browser game. It's like a wet dream coming true for a Homeworld fan like me. Time to study Japanese even harder! Learn Japanese and translate it for me 
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Apr 30, 2010 19:35
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Cross-Section posted:Yeah, that list of titles for Gaiden is very helpful to a person like me who has finished the series and is starting the prequels. Central Anime has the most confusing episode naming scheme for these, especially if you aren't already aware of the way the eps are organized. Yeah they start off just going Gaiden 1, Gaiden 2 etc (Referring to Valley and Morning's in my list), but now they're just putting them out by their title alone, or for the second season they're titling everything Spiral Labyrinth and then subtitling the shorter gaidens that follow within that same season except on Tuesdays when they  It's only truly problematic because the different stories in each season are in a continuity, so Valley of White Silver happens before Hundred Billion Stars so each season needs to be watched in order. I think they're moving over to nyaatorrents so maybe they'll take the opportunity to standardize file names.
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May 1, 2010 01:10
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Hopefully with this move, they start grouping together the different arcs so we don't have to download each individual episode again. Or maybe I'm just spoiled from only having to download the original series by season, rather than by episode like the goons in this thread did. Speaking of the original series, I've recently discovered that the BD rip of "My Conquest is the Sea of Stars" is... somewhat sketchy in terms of video quality. I mean, for every (relatively decent) shot like this,  there's a weird, kind of blurry one like this:  Why does Yang have brown hair  edit: Sure, it's minutiae, but hopefully the rest of these LoGH BD rips don't look as dated. Bah, it's 80's animation, what really can you do? Cross-Section fucked around with this message at 02:20 on May 1, 2010 |
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Cross-Section posted:somewhat sketchy in terms of video quality. It's upscaled.
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