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If I may make a correction:TL posted:You have to believe that a talent could kill a busload of nuns while high on PCP and nude and be suspended with pay in WCW, but if someone did a bump into the pool outside of the main event they'd be fired on the spot. Because nothing says discipline like a free vacation.
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Golden Bee posted:Vic Venom's Rule #1: Everything starts and ends with logic. Must have picked some hosed up axioms.
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I can see telling people to leave folks out of it if you're going to do a big bump/spot into it at the end, but if the whole thing was just Mysterio kicking him in, that's kind of a letdown.
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May 28, 2010 14:02
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van hammer is also the guy who bitched because he had the lowest military ranking in loving MIA.
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May 28, 2010 14:53
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Major Stash haha I loved the MIA vs Team Canada feud, one of my favourite WCW storylines.
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Sugar Blaster posted:van hammer is also the guy who bitched because he had the lowest military ranking in loving MIA. Wasn't he supposed to be Private Stash but instead of getting the joke and laughing about it he just bitched that he was playing a private instead of a higher rank?
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May 28, 2010 15:37
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Hey, isn't Van Hammer the dude that was in MIA but complained that his rank was too low?
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May 28, 2010 15:52
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I miss the Puro workers and luchadores. WWE (and TNA) never use both as much as WCW. Though ECW gave it a good shot.
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Dario Delfino posted:I miss the Puro workers and luchadores. WWE (and TNA) never use both as much as WCW. Though ECW gave it a good shot. Do you guys think lunchadores ever get over with crowds in the WWE? Obviously Rey has, the Guerreros count, Juvi did for sure. I think a lot of others (like La Parka) could have had it not been for WCW treating them like a joke.
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My friend has just given me a few burned DVDs with every episode of 2000 Nitro on them. I'm scared to watch.
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May 28, 2010 17:05
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Ziggy Tsardust posted:My friend has just given me a few burned DVDs with every episode of 2000 Nitro on them. I'm scared to watch. BANNED FOR FILES. I want a copy of this too.
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May 28, 2010 17:13
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Dario Delfino posted:I miss the Puro workers and luchadores. WWE (and TNA) never use both as much as WCW. Though ECW gave it a good shot.
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May 28, 2010 17:23
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Ziggy Tsardust posted:My friend has just given me a few burned DVDs with every episode of 2000 Nitro on them. I'm scared to watch. If you have the Nitro which is just Mark Madden and Tony talking about how great Bischoff and Russo are, while also saying Nitro used to be good but now sucks, you are in for a very special treat.
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Skinty McEdger posted:If you have the Nitro which is just Mark Madden and Tony talking about how great Bischoff and Russo are, while also saying Nitro used to be good but now sucks, you are in for a very special treat. Which one is that one?
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Endorph posted:Well, WWE's has/had some main event level luchadores, but I don't think any puro worker has progressed past midcard. The biggest problem is that the best Puro wrestlers like to go back home to collect a big paycheque. WWE would have to pay them more than what they'd get working in Japan. Because of this, they never really get talent that deserves a major push. The two guys who ever got the best pushes as Japanese talent are Tajiri and Haukushi. The other problem of course is that most top Japanese wrestlers look pretty plain. It's hard to say that a guy like Kawada stands out until you see him work, and how many guys in the WWE would work Kawada's style? I know many have the dream of seeing Kobashi vs. Undertaker, but I doubt anyone in the audience would buy into Kobashi here in North America in an arena bigger than 1,000 people. I do know the WWF had big interest in Tenryu back in the early 90s and always pushed him when he made appearances. Great Sasuke was supposed to be the first Light Heavyweight Champ but got injured. Aside from that, I think the one guy who should have crossed over but didn't was Kensuke Sasaki. He's built like a tank, can work a great power style, can sell for a big man and it'd mean you could have pulled Akira Hokuto out of retirement to beat the living gently caress out of Divas. Ahhh...
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ChampRamp posted:Which one is that one? During the restart Niro and Thunder were taken off the air for a week. In their place were two 'best of' shows. The shows ended up being less about Nitro's in the past and ended up being circle jerks to the egos of both Bischoff and Russo. Add to this they pretty much came out and said 'Nitro sucks now.'
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WCW is the only company that could have successfully pulled off a "Wake up Eric, it's 1998. It was all just a bad dream" trope. Everyone would have bought into it.
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Dario Delfino posted:I miss the Puro workers and luchadores. WWE (and TNA) never use both as much as WCW. Though ECW gave it a good shot. When they brought back Muta near the end, didn't they team him up with Vampiro and the loving ICP as part of the Dark Carnival? Because when you're bringing in the Great Muta obviously that's obviously the best use of him. Edit: Lone Rogue posted:Great Sasuke was supposed to be the first Light Heavyweight Champ but got injured. Actually he didn't win it because he was a complete retard. He went to the Japanese media and started going on about how he'd only defend the belt in Japan and never drop it on WWF TV. This eventually got back to the WWF and that was pretty much the end of Sasuke in the WWF. Suben fucked around with this message at 18:09 on May 28, 2010 |
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May 28, 2010 18:02
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Lone Rogue posted:WCW is the only company that could have successfully pulled off a "Wake up Eric, it's 1998. It was all just a bad dream" trope. Everyone would have bought into it. Hogan: Don't worry, brother. Hulkamania would never bury Sting at the PPV of the year. Eric: And... There was this awful, awful man named Vince Russo... Sting: Who? Oh, you mean our magazine editor? Eric: Phew... What an awful dream... GBSPW: Though, I do have a sudden inexplicable fear of heights, running water, and parking lots.
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Suben posted:When they brought back Muta near the end, didn't they team him up with Vampiro and the loving ICP as part of the Dark Carnival? Because when you're bringing in the Great Muta obviously that's obviously the best use of him. joshtothemaxx posted:Do you guys think lunchadores ever get over with crowds in the WWE? Obviously Rey has, the Guerreros count, Juvi did for sure. I think a lot of others (like La Parka) could have had it not been for WCW treating them like a joke.
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Skinty McEdger posted:If you have the Nitro which is just Mark Madden and Tony talking about how great Bischoff and Russo are, while also saying Nitro used to be good but now sucks, you are in for a very special treat. On the best of Thunder show, they showed 20 minutes worth of material from 1998, and then jumped to Winter 2000.
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The best was a Year in Review Nitro (98, IIRC) that was advertised as such. It was actually a Hulk Hogan WCW career retrospective.
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Dario Delfino posted:The best was a Year in Review Nitro (98, IIRC) that was advertised as such. It was actually a Hulk Hogan WCW career retrospective.
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joshtothemaxx posted:lunchadores 
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"Super Porky and his ham."
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Magic_Ceiling_Fan posted:"Super Porky............
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Dario Delfino posted:I would argue WWE treated them more like a joke than WCW, however I admit I'm looking at it through nostalgia for my teen years. I just liked seeing wrestlers I'd never seen before, from other countries, and being impressed by them. You don't get to see stuff like the 8-man tag match from Souled Out '98 on cable anymore. Here's the issue. WCW from like, 1987 to 1998 unquestionably used international talent better than the WWF. Even better than ECW. WCW loved to use Lucha, Puro, Euro, etc. to add spice to their shows. They also had Sting vs. Muta as pretty much their main program in the early 90s. Hell, they once had a PPV that was split WCW, split NJPW. Add in all of the Mexican wrestlers they brought in, how well they treated Ultimo Dragon, Liger coming in, etc. it's without question that WCW treated the foreigners better. Then Vince Russo came in and Eric Bischoff started caring about what the Mexicans were doing, meaning he was willing to gently caress them right up (I do give him a pass when it comes to Rey Jr. Bischoff truly thought that Rey would be more over because he was an attractive guy, so he felt he could sell even more with Rey's face than Rey's mask. Was he wrong? Yes, but if it was Black Tiger and having to unmask him into Eddie Guerrero, he'd be correct for doing it).
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ChampRamp posted:Which one is that one? April 3.
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Sooooo, remember when WCW brought in Bret Hart and proceeded to kill any and all heat he had coming in? I sure do.
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DannoMack posted:Sooooo, remember when WCW brought in Bret Hart and proceeded to kill any and all heat he had coming in? I sure do. Are you injured Bret? No? Okay cool, we're gonna make you a REFEREE. Yeah!
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As much of a fan as I am, I couldn't stand him during his WCW run. Besides bad booking, he was so depressed and demoralized, most of his performances were crap. I can't blame him for phoning it in, but it was rough to watch. I can only think of a few matches with DDP, Sting, Benoit, and Malenko off the top of my head that weren't that bad.
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DannoMack posted:Sooooo, remember when WCW brought in Bret Hart and proceeded to kill any and all heat he had coming in? I sure do.
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Dario Delfino posted:As much of a fan as I am, I couldn't stand him during his WCW run. Besides bad booking, he was so depressed and demoralized, most of his performances were crap. I can't blame him for phoning it in, but it was rough to watch. I can only think of a few matches with DDP, Sting, Benoit, and Malenko off the top of my head that weren't that bad. He was bitter after the Screwjob and WCW did absolutely nothing to give him that would make him passionate about the business again. Bret Hart should have come into WCW like a blaze of glory, as the only non-WCW guy to take on the nWo head on and try to destroy it. He should have been picking it apart one by one on his way to take down Hollywood Hogan. People back then still looked at the nWo as the WWF, not so much as it being a shoot but a work. Instead, WCW in 1998 didn't know what the gently caress it was supposed to do. So Bret waddled basically as a "special attraction". One of my favourite matches with Bret from WCW was actually Bret vs Luger for the US Title. I think it was on Thunder. It's a really good match where Luger put on his working boots for maybe the last time of his entire career. Bret also had a good match with Booker T while in WCW. I think if WCW gave Bret a reason to work hard, he would have worked hard. They really never did. So he phoned it in and they gave him storylines that made it easy to phone in.
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It wasnt so much "working boots" as "being carried boots" Luger had on during that match. It was maybe 90% Bret Hart offense with Luger just running back and forth a few times clotheslining Hart.
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DannoMack posted:Didn't Luger make Bret tap out to a boston crab in that match? No, that was the match the very next week. Or prior. Can't recall if it was a Crab. WCW feels like a drug haze.
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Lone Rogue posted:He was bitter after the Screwjob... 
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What was the cause of the promo/shoot Steiner cut on Flair when he was in the NWO? The one where he's cutting deep as gently caress and even says he doesn't hold a candle to "the original Nature Boy, Buddy Rogers". Steiner seemed more legit pissed than his colorful self.
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DJExile posted:What was the cause of the promo/shoot Steiner cut on Flair when he was in the NWO? The one where he's cutting deep as gently caress and even says he doesn't hold a candle to "the original Nature Boy, Buddy Rogers". Steiner seemed more legit pissed than his colorful self.
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