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Pompoon posted:Out of curiosity, how do law schools view applicants with a major in the sciences? Most people I know get a degree in the humanities, or the weird auxiliary major my school has-sort of a law/philosophy type thing, and you also major in history, English, philosophy, etc. Anything that's heavy on writing and textual analysis. Would a science major be at a disadvantage? Applying to law school would be a disadvantage
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Incredulous Red posted:Applying to law school would be a disadvantage I know everyone loves hating on applying to law school, but can't we answer the questions too? I'd imagine that having a background in the sciences would be a help, at least after law school, since you can potentially go into IP as well as any other field.
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Jun 2, 2010 05:10
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Special A posted:I know everyone loves hating on applying to law school, but can't we answer the questions too? Really, it doesn't make you all that special. There are plenty of people who majored in bio, chem, physics, engineering, computer science, or took enough science credits to sit for the patent bar. Schools care about (1) LSAT (2) GPA (3) URM . . . . . . . . . . . . and then, light minutes out from the rest of that, softs like where you went to school, what you majored in. That's the general rule. I guess there will always be some admissions officer who masturbates furiously while thinking of sneaking one or two white dance/physics majors with low GPAs and LSATs into his class of uniform 170+/3.9 manufactured snowflakes, but really that's a poor bet.
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Jun 2, 2010 05:22
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Special A posted:I know everyone loves hating on applying to law school, but can't we answer the questions too? Eh, sort of. There are a couple backgrounds that are particularly in demand - EE (any level) and PhD level biotech. Also, UG grades and prior work experience matter. IP firms definitely held my UGPA and kind of niche major (BME) against me for patent prosecution positions. Non-EE/biotech backgrounds sort of open doors, but not to the extent you may believe. Not sure how the different backgrounds affect law school performance; I doubt they do, but that's totally anecdotal.
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Jun 2, 2010 05:23
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OptimistPrime posted:Eh, sort of. There are a couple backgrounds that are particularly in demand - EE (any level) and PhD level biotech. Also, UG grades and prior work experience matter. IP firms definitely held my UGPA and kind of niche major (BME) against me for patent prosecution positions. Non-EE/biotech backgrounds sort of open doors, but not to the extent you may believe. Are you doing IP now? If so, how difficult would you say it took you to find a job? I also did a non-standard engineering major at school (bio and environmental), but I tried to fit in a few upper level electrical and computer engineering courses, which I did well in. Do you think that would end up helping? Like I said in my earlier post, if it doesn't work out with a T14 school, I probably wouldn't end up going since I wouldn't want to take the risk. But I figured I'd at least take the LSAT this October, apply, and see what happens.
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Jun 2, 2010 05:33
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Special A posted:Are you doing IP now? If so, how difficult would you say it took you to find a job? I have an MSEE and some work experience and the job market isn't that great. I think that you'll find it difficult to get a patent prosecution type of job if you just have a "bio and environmental" engineering degree. There are tons of people with more 'valuable' technical backgrounds who are having a tough time finding work.
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Jun 2, 2010 05:38
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Special A posted:Are you doing IP now? If so, how difficult would you say it took you to find a job? I'm a laid off IP litigator. Been looking for a job for the last 6 months, looking at both prosecution and litigation, and it's pretty terrible. I'm in MN and a member of that bar, so it somewhat limits my options but also makes my BME degree a bit more valuable; still, I haven't had more than a couple leads going at the same time since getting canned last November. Getting my previous job wasn't that hard; I got it through 3L OCI. This was in 2007, and my particular firm had just snagged a huge case and was developing a new client. When that client stopped working with the firm, so did I.
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I'm looking for good references for bread-and-butter stuff like estate planning, especially trusts. I took my school's Trusts & Wills class, but it covered trusts in a pretty cursory fashion compared to what I'd expect one needs to know in practice. I'm looking at The Complete Book of Trusts on Amazon. Is there a better book out there I can get for around the same price, or is this one as good as it looks? Also, are there any other cheap yet good references on other fields essential to a solo practice?
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Jun 2, 2010 07:41
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Jesus loving christ. I just met some ditz who I went to high school with in my Bar/Bri class. She mentioned that she has a job lined up to replace the only immigration lawyer for ~30% of Alaskan boroughs. That's a shitton of Russians she automatically gets as clients right out of law school because her boss when she was an intern (her future boss's ex-coworker) decided to take several bribes and get disbarred. And she went to a bottom of the shitpile TTT. I want to stab her with an icepick and take her job.
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Jun 2, 2010 09:34
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BigHead posted:Jesus loving christ. I just met some ditz who I went to high school with in my Bar/Bri class. She mentioned that she has a job lined up to replace the only immigration lawyer for ~30% of Alaskan boroughs. That's a shitton of Russians she automatically gets as clients right out of law school because her boss when she was an intern (her future boss's ex-coworker) decided to take several bribes and get disbarred. And she went to a bottom of the shitpile TTT. I want to stab her with an icepick and take her job. How do you feel about sex change operations?
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Chakron posted:How do you feel about sex change operations? If I knew how to speak Russian fluently, I would literally consider slicing my dick off to get her cushy 150k+ small firm, easy hour, zero client hunting, immigration form-filling-out job. Edit: while I would consider it, I am 100% positive that there would be a long line absolutely committed to slicing their dicks off for this job BigHead fucked around with this message at 10:34 on Jun 2, 2010 |
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BigHead posted:If I knew how to speak Russian fluently, I would literally consider slicing my dick off to get her cushy 150k+ small firm, easy hour, zero client hunting, immigration form-filling-out job. I think this is a misuse of the word "literally". I might suck a dick for that job but I'm pretty sure I'd rather keep mine and be homeless if those were the only two choices don't be overdramatic dude
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Jun 2, 2010 10:39
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Ok first of all, let me tell you I have _no plans_ of going to Law School in the USA ;O. I am currently studying in New Zealand and I am in my third year of university (Law is a competitive entry undergraduate program here; old school LLB). I am a dual american-nz citizen with a lot of freedom to travel (Mum is retired air hostess with Northwest). Its a long way off but I am interested in trying to get an idea into what kind of Law jobs there are for overseas grads that do not require attaining the Bar in the USA and I was wondering if any of you were aware of much information on this area. Consultancy etc., perhaps with a corporation that trades with New Zealand and what not. Basically: info on non-Bar law-ish jobs. Seattle seems nice. Id love to move there.
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Ainsley McTree posted:I think this is a misuse of the word "literally". I might suck a dick for that job but I'm pretty sure I'd rather keep mine and be homeless if those were the only two choices yeah you're gonna need that dick when you're homeless
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OptimistPrime posted:Eh, sort of. There are a couple backgrounds that are particularly in demand - EE (any level) and PhD level biotech. I'm curious, why are electrical engineers always mentioned as being in demand? Is there just a shortage of them? I ask because I always wanted to be an electrical engineer, but not badly enough to put forth any effort in any math class past 4th grade.
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loving Barbri Chemerinsky is such a lovely mushmouth lecturer, ugh
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diospadre posted:I'm curious, why are electrical engineers always mentioned as being in demand? Is there just a shortage of them? It's a combination of rarity, the type of work they can do, and the relative volumes of available business. Firms can throw anyone with a registration number onto simple mechanical applications, but they're less willing to let some random ME run with an application directed to wireless networking technologies. EEs are employable before they go to law school, so there is some rarity in terms of supply, but more of the rarity is due to demand; electronics are one of the most frequently litigated areas and an area where there's a lot of patent prosecution business (and their background matters). Compared to the number of, say, medical device or chemical process patents, there's a ton of electronics patents being filed.
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Lemonus posted:Ok first of all, let me tell you I have _no plans_ of going to Law School in the USA ;O. None. Seriously, none. There might be a handful of business positions with NZ corp offices in the US here and there because I think you guys have more flexibility jobhunting than we do, but in terms of legal consulting, there's probably not one job of that type for NZ LLB grads in the entire country. You'd at least need an LLM (that's a one year program here) and take a state bar before entering the US market, but then you'd be trying to get hired in this market and, well...yeah, no jobs.
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Lemonus posted:Basically: info on non-Bar law-ish jobs. quote:Seattle seems nice. Id love to move there. Seattle is the poo poo but for jobs I dunno. There's Microsoft, Nintendo and Boeing but none of these are actually in Seattle (two in Redmond where I grew up and one in Renton). I don't know what exact type of company you want to work for but unless it's one of these three there aren't too many other big games in town. sigmachiev fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Jun 2, 2010 |
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diospadre posted:I'm curious, why are electrical engineers always mentioned as being in demand? Is there just a shortage of them? It's because the EE degree is more broad. An EE can handle mechanical, computer engineering, networking, software, and of course electrical/semiconductor type patents. In contrast, a CS major probably isn't going to be working on any electrical or semiconductor patents. Quite frankly, I don't think that you really need a CS background to prosecute most software patents (many of them are simply described in simple and general algorithms), but you're going to need some EE understanding to work on EE related patents.
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builds character posted:
Yes. Every since I was in seventh grade and randomly picked up Gerry Spence's "How to Argue and Win Everytime" and read it voraciously. The 125K is including cost of living, for the record.
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Jove posted:Yes. Every since I was in seventh grade and randomly picked up Gerry Spence's "How to Argue and Win Everytime" and read it voraciously. This is really dumb. On the other hand, HLS is one of 3 schools where you can actually do gainful nonlaw things so your mistake isn't too bad. E: OP - first listed reason under 'bad reasons to go' posted:"Everyone says I'm a good arguer." JudicialRestraints fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Jun 3, 2010 |
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sigmachiev posted:Seattle is the poo poo but for jobs I dunno. There's Microsoft, Nintendo and Boeing but none of these are actually in Seattle (two in Redmond where I grew up and one in Renton). I don't know what exact type of company you want to work for but unless it's one of these three there aren't too many other big games in town. Don't forget the rapidly imploding biotech sector!
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plester1 posted:Don't forget the rapidly imploding biotech sector! On that note, a few weeks ago I was at a Starbucks in NYC. Two biotech patent lawyers were sitting across from some guys from Merrill Lynch, and were trying to convince the guys that securitizing biotech patents (or, alternatively, a type of insurance on them) would be a good idea.
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So for my externship, it's just me and some dude from Harvard working there. Sonofabitch wears suits everyday, so I have to as well. I just make sure I stay later than he does.
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Incredulous Red posted:Sonofabitch wears suits everyday, so I have to as well. I just make sure I stay later than he does. Not if the actual employees there don't. Actually, if they don't and he does, you almost certainly shouldn't.
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prussian advisor posted:Not if the actual employees there don't. Actually, if they don't and he does, you almost certainly shouldn't. The lawyers do. It's a public agency so dress code is all over the place.
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Incredulous Red posted:So for my externship, it's just me and some dude from Harvard working there. sup extern buddy. I just make sure I'm a little more dressed up than the average lawyer where I work. Also, I stay late because I enjoy my job and it's hard for me to drag myself away from the work. There's something about oppressing the disenfranchised that appeals to me. I probably should have been born british.
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Ainsley McTree posted:I think this is a misuse of the word "literally". I might suck a dick for that job but I'm pretty sure I'd rather keep mine and be homeless if those were the only two choices This is why republicans are cutting jobless benefits. Nobody has the will to go the extra mile and consider slicing off their junk for a job.
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I have a question about my gpa and the lsdas. I originally tried to go to school back in 2000, and managed to flunk out of both the spring and fall semesters. I got my act together, went back to the same school in 2006, and graduated this spring. I used an online calculator to estimate my lsdas gpa. Including the failed semesters from 2000 I have a 3.46, but looking only at my second attempt from 2006-2010 I have a 4.09. Will schools care that after a five year break I came back and kicked rear end, or will they only care about the 3.46?
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Deacon of Delicious posted:Will schools care that after a five year break I came back and kicked rear end, or will they only care about the 3.46? I was trying to imagine what would be a fun company to work in-house for as litigation counsel. I came up with Nintendo, Disney and Google, but then realized I never hear about them in any sort of lawsuit. This led me to wonder: Is that because they have awesome PR working 24/7 or is it because they actually really don't deal with lawsuits and employ in-house for pretty much only transactional capacities?
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Green Crayons posted:I was trying to imagine what would be a fun company to work in-house for as litigation counsel. I came up with Nintendo, Disney and Google, but then realized I never hear about them in any sort of lawsuit. This led me to wonder: Is that because they have awesome PR working 24/7 or is it because they actually really don't deal with lawsuits and employ in-house for pretty much only transactional capacities? That's funny, I've already had to read several cases involving Disney. They kinda sue everyone over thinking about Mickey Mouse without paying them.
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I came here to post this and say I'm not sure whether or not that guy is absolutely brilliant. JudicialRestraints posted:That's funny, I've already had to read several cases involving Disney. They kinda sue everyone over thinking about Mickey Mouse without paying them. Disney, Nintendo and Google - IP IP IPIPIPIPI IPIPI PIIP IP IP IPIPIPIPPIP. That is what you will be doing in house. Sure, there's some transactional work too, but the vast majority of their work will relate to IP. Nintendo gets sued by edit: a friend of mine works in house as a lawyer at a video games company and loves it but spends way less time at work playing video games than one might hope.
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Green Crayons posted:I was trying to imagine what would be a fun company to work in-house for as litigation counsel. I came up with Nintendo, Disney and Google, but then realized I never hear about them in any sort of lawsuit. This led me to wonder: Is that because they have awesome PR working 24/7 or is it because they actually really don't deal with lawsuits and employ in-house for pretty much only transactional capacities?
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builds character posted:Disney, Nintendo and Google - IP IP IPIPIPIPI IPIPI PIIP IP IP IPIPIPIPPIP. That is what you will be doing in house. Sure, there's some transactional work too, but the vast majority of their work will relate to IP. Nintendo gets sued by To add a bit to this, at any given time there is an opening for an IP/Patent/Copywrite lawyer on Nintendo's job posting. They normally want five years experience. I can tell you that their campus is in a pretty good place (thanks to Microsoft, Redmond has developed into a nice suburb).
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Sony is battling some class-actions about their firmware updates that you could try and get in on too, but that's probably going to be sent to a real firm. I'm applying for articles to a firm handling the plaintiffs up here, if I get in and get handed that file oh man 
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:Sony is battling some class-actions about their firmware updates that you could try and get in on too, but that's probably going to be sent to a real firm. If you get handed that file your arms will break 
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I'm at a conference at UVa law, and I walked around the outside of the JAG building, which is next door. Pretty boring building but it's cool to see people walking around in fatigues and holding casebooks.
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does anyone know if personal statements and other similar writings are forwarded to the bar along with your application?
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entris posted:I'm at a conference at UVa law, and I walked around the outside of the JAG building, which is next door. Pretty boring building but it's cool to see people walking around in fatigues and holding casebooks. If all goes as planned I should be down there next Spring! Can't wait to practice the hell out of some law while wearing comfortable clothes to work er'day.
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