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It actually sounds like you have a pretty good opportunity to break out of the legal world into NGOs (both located in the US and abroad), if you still want to work in the same broad field but want new experiences. I know there are countless NGOs in Africa working with kids, particularly child soldiers, and you could probably lend a huge helping hand in developing their local practices.
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JudicialRestraints posted:he basically told me to quit caring so much about grades and that working for a firm was for idiots anyway so he was doing me a favor. Sounds like he cares about you, and wants to protect you from entering shitlaw. Stop being such a bloo bloo baby and listen to him for a change.
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PMan_ posted:So for almost 5 years now I've been an attorney with a local government agency that represents abused and neglected kids that have been taken away from their families. It's not a bad gig, but it's time for a change. I've been sending out resumes to other government agencies, but I'm also considering firms. If you mean V100 big firms then I am sorry to say it is going to be almost impossible. I do not know about other firms.
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blar posted:You are still saying you slacked off. The difference is Solomon's response makes it sound like you went through a bad period before improving your study habits. This doesn't mean they won't dock you, but they will dock you less. PMan_ posted:So for almost 5 years now I've been an attorney with a local government agency that represents abused and neglected kids that have been taken away from their families. It's not a bad gig, but it's time for a change. I've been sending out resumes to other government agencies, but I'm also considering firms. You have to realize that the average 5 year civil ligation associate at a mid-big law firm has perhaps argued a couple motions and has little real experience. This is your marketing point. You can learn the applicable areas of civil law faster than someone can learn trial skills. Expect more luck with local mid firms than big law. Also, you have a job, so that is a good starting point. You have a big leg up on unemployed 5 year people. nm fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Jun 11, 2010 |
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Jun 11, 2010 19:03
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So my poor CrimLaw grade has been offset by the A I just got in Professional Responsibility. Yes, that's right, the first A I've gotten in law school is in Professional Responsibility. I guess napping in class let the information permeate my subconscious.
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Jun 11, 2010 19:06
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I poor my heart out to you guys and don't even get a single reply? That's it, I'm turning this car around.
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Jun 11, 2010 19:16
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:Seriously, this is like a free money machine, and I live right next to EDVA so I can get to court really easily!
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Jun 11, 2010 19:21
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Roger_Mudd posted:I poor my heart out to you guys and don't even get a single reply? I'd probably watch an episode or two, so long as the show doesn't get broken up by ads every five minutes or so. Television is an inferior form of entertainment, though, and your subject matter really isn't that great. Perhaps change the story so it's an unemployed lawyer in ancient Greece, and he can make a living being a sycophant or something.
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Lykourgos posted:I'd probably watch an episode or two, so long as the show doesn't get broken up by ads every five minutes or so. Television is an inferior form of entertainment, though, and your subject matter really isn't that great. Perhaps change the story so it's an unemployed lawyer in ancient Greece, and he can make a living being a sycophant or something. Dole Office Clerk: Occupation? Comicus: Stand-up philosopher. Dole Office Clerk: What? Comicus: Stand-up philosopher. I coalesce the vapors of human experience into a viable and meaningful comprehension. Dole Office Clerk: Oh, a *bullshit* artist! Comicus: *Grumble*... Dole Office Clerk: Did you bullshit last week? Comicus: No. Dole Office Clerk: Did you *try* to bullshit last week? Comicus: Yes! quote:I poor my heart out to you guys and don't even get a single reply? gently caress I wanted to add to the pilot but got stuck with work. I liked it, though.
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Thanks for the responses, gives me a good place to start. And yes, I am definitely thinking small to mid-size firms, and family law does seem like the best fit.
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Jun 11, 2010 20:12
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PMan_ posted:Thanks for the responses, gives me a good place to start. And yes, I am definitely thinking small to mid-size firms, and family law does seem like the best fit. Chicago eh? I know a bigwig in a biglaw up there, I'll see if I can find anything out about what they think.
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Roger_Mudd posted:I poor my heart out to you guys and don't even get a single reply? Eh, VO narration is a pretty weak device, especially to open a pilot. Plus, I think it speaks to the condition of the economy if the lawyer gets downsized rather than fired for cause. I'm seriously considering making an attempt to write a pilot. I'll post what I come up with for feedback.
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Blinkz0rz posted:Eh, VO narration is a pretty weak device, especially to open a pilot. Plus, I think it speaks to the condition of the economy if the lawyer gets downsized rather than fired for cause. What's your arching serialized plot then if not "the case"? 
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Roger_Mudd posted:What's your arching serialized plot then if not "the case"? Act 1 (first season) starts off with Big John thinking he was downsized. First few episodes are "case of the week stuff," to get us grounded in his world. Midway through the first season, he takes a case on behalf of someone who worked at his old firm -- senior partner's assistant or something of the sort. At the end of the episode, the assistant gets out of the country/into witness protection/whatever but not before dropping an enigmatic hint: Assistant: I never thought it was fair what the senior partners did to you. John: Lousy downsizing! Assistant: Not the downsizing. I mean that business with <Bad Wolf/Save the Cheerleader/All Along the Watchtower/Dharma Initiative/One-Armed Man>. John: Wait, what? <click> And the assistant is gone, wholly unreachable (or dead or...). So now John has his arc words for him to pursue. Now the story arc starts in earnest. John has to do a string of jobs taking him back across the country in the other direction. End of act 1 is the job where he goes home. It ends with him receiving definite confirmation -- he was fired for some sinister reason, the downsizing was just the convenient cover story. Act 2 is a little more sedentary -- focused around John's home city and old firm. Occasional jobs take him out of town, but he always manages to find himself orbiting his old firm. His old partner throws him some scraps. A loyal client leaves the firm and comes to him personally. At the end of act 2, he corners one of the middle-management types who confirms his growing suspicions, but adds an extra wrinkle. What the senior partners did, they did at the behest of some government types. Act 3 is federal court. How high does the conspiracy go? Has John properly preserved his issues for appellate rear end-kicking?
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That sounds like a lot of trouble just for the protagonist to find out that the partners, facing lower revenues from government-related work due to budget cuts mandated by the economic downturn, were faced with the choice of firing their 1st and 2nd favorite associates versus their 3rd and 4th favorites associates and he lost out.
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Anyone know how long MD bar essays are? I foolishly elected to handwrite rather than do the laptop poo poo. Is my hand going to fall off and die?
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TyChan posted:That sounds like a lot of trouble just for the protagonist to find out that the partners, facing lower revenues from government-related work due to budget cuts mandated by the economic downturn, were faced with the choice of firing their 1st and 2nd favorite associates versus their 3rd and 4th favorites associates and he lost out. A profoundly unsatisfying conclusion to the plotline would be a pretty meta troll of the viewers imo
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TyChan posted:Depending on how cheap it is to live there and the economic circumstances of the town, I suspect a less luxurious version of option d is more likely to happen. At some point, though, the work would really dry up because after a year or two, you've probably provided as many legal services as 1000 people could possibly want without actively sabotaging their personal and economic lives. Forgot to reply to this - thanks. It's a typical backwater Ontario town, meaning there's a small permanent population and an ebb + flow of cottagers, fishermen, hikers, etc. Potentially the transients cause occasional legal problems too, in case the local populace is bled dry as far as legal services are concerned. So moving out there isn't a great idea, but if I can't find any work here after being licensed...
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TyChan posted:That sounds like a lot of trouble just for the protagonist to find out that the partners, facing lower revenues from government-related work due to budget cuts mandated by the economic downturn, were faced with the choice of firing their 1st and 2nd favorite associates versus their 3rd and 4th favorites associates and he lost out. That's because the fourth season is his wrongful termination case against the senior partners. In the final episode, he and the firm reach a settlement, the contents of which remain undisclosed to the viewer.
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Alaemon posted:words Not enough trucking for my tastes. /\/\ I do like the Soprano's ending.
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I thought this was going to be a comedy. So far, it sounds more like "Life" than "Northern Exposure".
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What gets written at this time is wholly irrelevant. By the time the network gets done with it, the title will be Who Wants to Marry America's Next Top Litigator?
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Roger_Mudd posted:What's your arching serialized plot then if not "the case"? It can be something as simple as adjusting to his new life on the road. My take on the show was less about a conspiracy or serialized drama and more closely related to Northern Exposure and the "fish out of water in a new life with weird people and crazy situations." But you know, I pictured it as a 30 minute show like Sports Night where it's funny, but it makes you think.
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Alaemon posted:What gets written at this time is wholly irrelevant. By the time the network gets done with it, the title will be Who Wants to Marry America's Next Top Litigator? Definite point. Also, if anyone speaks Spanish at a very high level and would be interested in checking out employment opportunities in Buenos Aires, I recently made some contacts down there while I spent a week there for some seminars.
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Alaemon posted:What gets written at this time is wholly irrelevant. By the time the network gets done with it, the title will be Who Wants to Marry America's Next Top Litigator? I foresee something in the vein of "The Apprentice", except at the end the winner gets deferred for a year
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Linguica posted:Why the gently caress am I even taking the New Jersey bar exam? Their horrible poo poo website which literally has Geocities "under construction" animated gifs basically hid the laptop registration program information and it's already closed so now I have to handwrite an exam in an open sewer of a state I don't care about. Shoulda listened to Adar Hrm... Do you have Internet Explorer 4? If not, the website says you may not be able to view it correctly. That or Netscape 5. Netscape.
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Just went to another graduation; apparently the university of Chicago has a law school. Not only that, but it's literally the ugliest law school I have ever seen. They have scrap iron on a pedestal outside, and inside their horrid looking building they have modern art depictions of mr. T in make-up and a little black dress. The graduation was held in a building about half the size that it needed to be, so plenty of people were left swearing at some obstructive pillar, and naturally the food tasted horrible. No school is perfect, but dear lord... To add some positives, they had some professor talk about classical antiquity. That was evened out by the other speaker droning on about "poo-poo" (I poo poo you not).
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I'm currently an undergrad in physics and am looking into my options for the future. I'm not particularly interested in continuing on to grad school in physics, perhaps math or mech E instead. It has been suggested that I look into patent law. Being a lawyer doesn't really sound like my kind of thing, and from reading this thread, it doesn't seem like I should. So I'm curious if some one could shed some light it. Just googling around it seems like being a regular lawyer, and similar salaries as what was shown here in general. Edit: I just noticed the last post was in feb, did we get a new thread?
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PastaSky posted:Edit: I just noticed the last post was in feb, did we get a new thread? This is the current thread. You're looking at a reg date. IrritationX fucked around with this message at 10:03 on Jun 13, 2010 |
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PastaSky posted:Being a lawyer doesn't really sound like my kind of thing, and from reading this thread, it doesn't seem like I should. Don't go if you don't want to be a lawyer. Really.
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sigmachiev posted:Don't go if you don't want to be a lawyer. Really. This should probably be the first box on the flowchart
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Ainsley McTree posted:This should probably be the first box on the flowchart Except that people will inevitably translate "well, I think so" or "my parents think it's a good idea" or "I like to argue" to mean "Yes, I want to be a lawyer"
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PastaSky posted:I'm currently an undergrad in physics and am looking into my options for the future. Absolutely don't go if you don't want to be a lawyer. This isn't a play-time fall-back daddy-wants-me-to-go-to-grad-school general education school. It's a very specific school that (while it doesn't actually teach you any skills) purports to teach you a specific set of skills that are only applicable to a specific set of jobs. A J.D. is 100% useless in any job that isn't a lawyer job, and will in fact make it almost impossible to find a real job because every non-lawyer employer on the planet somehow thinks that having a J.D. makes you overqualified for something. Ask every person in this thread who is frantically applying to Starbucks if their J.D. is an asset to non-lawyer jobs. Also, just as a side note, I went to a very good but non T14 school. There were a grand total of two guys in my class with PhDs in hard sciences - one in Pharmaceuticals and one in BioChem or something. There was also a grand total of ONE patent firm hiring, and they hired a grand total of ONE person. They turned down the BioChem guy. Even though he got a 100% free ride when he applied, his life is still ruined because he had to take loans out for rent/books/food, lost three years' salary, and nobody on the planet will hire him. Big boy firms only hire from summer associate pools, and little firms / gov't people think the PhD makes him overqualified. If you don't have a PhD before going to law school and you don't go to HYS, then your job prospects in the patent field are only slightly better than the rest of us. If you are smart enough to make through a physics undergrad, then you are smart enough not to go. BigHead fucked around with this message at 09:41 on Jun 13, 2010 |
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BigHead posted:Absolutely don't go if you don't want to be a lawyer. This isn't a play-time fall-back daddy-wants-me-to-go-to-grad-school general education school. It's a very specific school that (while it doesn't actually teach you any skills) purports to teach you a specific set of skills that are only applicable to a specific set of jobs. A J.D. is 100% useless in any job that isn't a lawyer job, and will in fact make it almost impossible to find a real job because every non-lawyer employer on the planet somehow thinks that having a J.D. makes you overqualified for something. Ask every person in this thread who is frantically applying to Starbucks if their J.D. is an asset to non-lawyer jobs. The OP is pretty overcrowded already but I feel like this should be in there somewhere. Preferably in a flowchart box. At least the part about starbucks (still haven't heard back yet!)
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BigHead posted:If you are smart enough to make through a physics undergrad, then you are smart enough not to go. That pretty much says it all.
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BigHead posted:If you are smart enough to make through a physics undergrad, then you are smart enough not to go. On the other hand... PastaSky posted:Edit: I just noticed the last post was in feb, did we get a new thread? We might yet have our work cut out for us.
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Oh sorry I've been posting in this old thread that is talking about how there are no jobs and that legal profession is awful. I'm sure the new thread has a much brighter outlook.
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PastaSky posted:It has been suggested that I look into patent law. Being a lawyer doesn't really sound like my kind of thing, and from reading this thread, it doesn't seem like I should.
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While law is in a bad place at least you are not chiropractic students. Something to think about to cheer you guys up.
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Forever Zero posted:While law is in a bad place at least you are not chiropractic students. Something to think about to cheer you guys up. I don't understand how this is supposed to cheer us up. Chiropractors are permitted by law to commit fraud and collect money, they have it pretty damned easy.
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