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entris posted:I don't understand how this is supposed to cheer us up. Chiropractors are permitted by law to commit fraud and collect money, they have it pretty damned easy. And their school is cheaper. Don't forget that.
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And it probably teaches you how to practice chiropracty.
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diospadre posted:And it probably teaches you how to practice chiropracty. Which is teaching them how to practice fraud, a valuable life skill.
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SWATJester posted:Which is teaching them how to practice fraud, a valuable life skill. You would think that we lawyers were taught this in law school, from the way people talk about our profession.
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Nah, that would mean law school prepared us for something useful, which it obviously doesn't.
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I like to think I'm more prepared to commit securities fraud after a few classes in that field. Getting away with various felonies might be slightly easier if you can gerrymander some key procedural issues to go your way too.
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Dameius posted:And their school is cheaper. Don't forget that. Nope not at all. Think 150k debt with an avg starting salary of 40k. Also try going to the mall to set up a kiosk to get patients. Also the profession isn't respected at all because it is all quackery. Trust me lawyers have a much easier life than the life of freshly minted chiropractors. http://www.wisconsinchiropractic.com/aca.htm quote:Reinventing the ACA Forever Zero fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Jun 14, 2010 |
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SWATJester posted:Nah, that would mean law school prepared us for something useful, which it obviously doesn't. Law school taught me how to cheat at Railroad Tycoon. That's almost worth it.
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Jun 14, 2010 03:53
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Got a present from a client that was really sweet:
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Forever Zero posted:Nope not at all. Think 150k debt with an avg starting salary of 40k. Also try going to the mall to set up a kiosk to get patients. Also the profession isn't respected at all because it is all quackery. Trust me lawyers have a much easier life than the life of freshly minted chiropractors. So law school/chiropractic school are exactly the same.
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diospadre posted:So law school/chiropractic school are exactly the same. Uh, no. One of them is a school full of quack teachers and naive students, and the other is a school where they teach you how to manipulate the spine to achieve better health.
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What's the name of the database/ book that describes how a judicial order for [x] from a court should look? I can't remember the name and need it. Hugs.
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Call the clerk?
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SWATJester posted:Call the clerk? That's me! But I found it: Federal Procedural Forms.
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I'm thinkin about applying to UF law for grad school. It probably wont be paid for but it is well regarded in the region and I might explore the option of the tax law program because it is also well regarded. I'd say I have a decent shot of getting in, but I really have no idea. Talk me out of it?
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No jobs, die alone, read the OP. I will not allow myself to be trolled any further.
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I've read the OP, not trolling, just hoping someone has some relevant local knowledge etc
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bropocalypse now posted:I'm thinkin about applying to UF law for grad school. It probably wont be paid for but it is well regarded in the region and I might explore the option of the tax law program because it is also well regarded. I'd say I have a decent shot of getting in, but I really have no idea. Talk me out of it? Well, the "tax law program" is an LL.M., a further graduate degree for people who already have a J.D. UF law school's tax classes are taught by the same professors, and often you will be taking them with the LLM students, but unless you're a lawyer already you can't enroll in UF's "tax law program." That said, assuming you're a Florida resident who wants to live in and practice law in Florida, UF is easily the best choice. Very cheap, very low cost of living in Gainesville, and UF law alumni basically run the entire state, including a surprisingly large chunk of Tallahassee. Again, assuming that you're willing to keep your debt low and want to live and practice law in Florida, I'd recommend UF law even at (in-state) sticker price.
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prussian advisor posted:Well, the "tax law program" is an LL.M., a further graduate degree for people who already have a J.D. UF law school's tax classes are taught by the same professors, and often you will be taking them with the LLM students, but unless you're a lawyer already you can't enroll in UF's "tax law program." Thank you, quality post
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bropocalypse now posted:I've read the OP, not trolling, just hoping someone has some relevant local knowledge etc You talk about it being well regarded in the region, but I have no idea how you know this. Also, how many tax law jobs are in the region that aren't filled by students who attended more recognisable schools? Furthermore, why the hell do you want to do tax law, and at any rate this sounds like a terrible idea. Don't do it; only go to law school if you want to do criminal law, and even then only go if you get into a school that has a good chance at placing you in a job. Seriously.
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Lykourgos posted:only go to law school if you want to do criminal law I thought the mantra was don't go to law school unless you want to be a lawyer. When did it get so narrowed down as to only if you want to do criminal law?
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Lykourgos posted:You talk about it being well regarded in the region, but I have no idea how you know this. Also, how many tax law jobs are in the region that aren't filled by students who attended more recognisable schools? Furthermore, why the hell do you want to do tax law, and at any rate this sounds like a terrible idea. Don't do it; only go to law school if you want to do criminal law, and even then only go if you get into a school that has a good chance at placing you in a job. Seriously. I've only done a little bit of research on UF specifically and apparently their tax program or whatever which I have clearly revealed loads of ignorance about is "well regarded" as I said. I'd love to do criminal law but I'm committed to exploring my options.
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prussian advisor posted:Well, the "tax law program" is an LL.M., a further graduate degree for people who already have a J.D. UF law school's tax classes are taught by the same professors, and often you will be taking them with the LLM students, but unless you're a lawyer already you can't enroll in UF's "tax law program." UF's tax professors were also raided from several top schools, Columbia and NYU I believe being the primary ones. Gainesville is also enormously nicer to live in than Tallahassee, which isn't saying much because it still sucks. -e- Dean Jerry is also p cool.
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quepasa18 posted:I thought the mantra was don't go to law school unless you want to be a lawyer. When did it get so narrowed down as to only if you want to do criminal law? The original was too broad; if you want to be an ambulance chaser or sell every waking hour to shitlaw, then you really don't know what you ought to want for yourself. It's been pointed out that, with few exceptions, government work is the best work. You could of course be a government civil attorney, or some sort of regulator, but let's be honest: if you want to get into a high class profession, then don't aim for the arse end of it. Therefore, criminal law; plus you do the most good there anyway, given the higher issues involved.
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Lykourgos posted:You could of course be a government civil attorney, or some sort of regulator, but let's be honest: if you want to get into a high class profession, then don't aim for the arse end of it. Therefore, criminal law; plus you do the most good there anyway, given the higher issues involved. While I mostly agree with what you're saying, the regulator keeping vile corporate interests restrained, or one defending the majesty of our planet's natural resources is in a far more noble position than the prosecutor satiating the rabble's thirst for blood and vengeance.
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bropocalypse now posted:I'm committed to exploring my options. Last time I uttered this phrase I woke up in a Oaxaca jail with my balls stuck in the neck of a tequila bottle. Law school is the academic equivalent.
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:While I mostly agree with what you're saying, the regulator keeping vile corporate interests restrained, or one defending the majesty of our planet's natural resources is in a far more noble position than the prosecutor satiating the rabble's thirst for blood and vengeance. Yet, prosecutors don't satiate the rabble's thirst any more than regulators do. Also, I think your misusing the word rabble/people; Prosecutors are the People, so they're quashing injustice in line with their own desire. They aren't some sort of soulless tool that acts to satiate a third-party's thirst. Anyway, I'm glad you mostly agree with me, and getting in at the arse-end is still good. However, regulators just seem a little inferior in terms of their rank and power. I don't see regulators walking around the criminal courts, affording judges the opportunity to execute businessmen or incarcerate executives. I haven't seen regulators wield the same sort of moral authority, either; no judging the moral fibre of individuals, and recommending them for rehabilitation and what not. Basically, if you pollute a lake, the regulator is going to fine you. How nice. Get that under the criminal code, though, and we can try the matter with oaken clubs, and have the chairman jailed for contempt of court when he surrenders.
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Lykourgos posted:The original was too broad; if you want to be an ambulance chaser or sell every waking hour to shitlaw, then you really don't know what you ought to want for yourself. It's been pointed out that, with few exceptions, government work is the best work. You could of course be a government civil attorney, or some sort of regulator, but let's be honest: if you want to get into a high class profession, then don't aim for the arse end of it. Therefore, criminal law; plus you do the most good there anyway, given the higher issues involved. Be careful, you're dangerously close to another ugly british teeth picture under your name. TACOCHAT I went to tortilleria nixtamal this weekend and it is excellent. It's approximately forty miles away from Manhattan (half an hour on the 7) and as a result the tacos are better there than any I have had in Manhattan. If you are in NY this summer (or live here and love tacos) then you should go. The fish tacos were only mediocre but the tamales and other tacos were absolutely fantastic.
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Lykourgos posted:Yet, prosecutors don't satiate the rabble's thirst any more than regulators do. Also, I think your misusing the word rabble/people; Prosecutors are the People, so they're quashing injustice in line with their own desire. They aren't some sort of soulless tool that acts to satiate a third-party's thirst. Any decent regulatory statute affords the regulator the ability to refer the matter to the criminal courts anyway  Oaken clubs do sound like a fabulous perk, though. TACOCHAT Toronto-area goons check out Burrito Boyz, which has two locations in the area. The food is awesome, the staff are in various stages of the prison system, and authentic Mexi-rap plays non-stop (or, in darker times, reggaeton).
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BigHead posted:Absolutely don't go if you don't want to be a lawyer. This isn't a play-time fall-back daddy-wants-me-to-go-to-grad-school general education school. It's a very specific school that (while it doesn't actually teach you any skills) purports to teach you a specific set of skills that are only applicable to a specific set of jobs. A J.D. is 100% useless in any job that isn't a lawyer job, and will in fact make it almost impossible to find a real job because every non-lawyer employer on the planet somehow thinks that having a J.D. makes you overqualified for something. Ask every person in this thread who is frantically applying to Starbucks if their J.D. is an asset to non-lawyer jobs. Your friend should apply to be a patent examiner. That's what I did with my JD. And patent examining is one job where a JD is not necessary but is definitely a plus.
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:Oaken clubs do sound like a fabulous perk, though. Our judges have double-handed gavels, too.
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Lykourgos posted:Don't do it; only go to law school if you want to do criminal law, and even then only go if you get into a school that has a good chance at placing you in a job. Seriously. This may be different in some areas of the country, but government employment isn't any easier to get than non-poo poo law. But the lifestyle is better. Actually, I'd note the county council is far more of a cushy job than criminal law.
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Anyone have any really good made-up excuses for wanting to work in a specific state that you have no connection to (and haven't even ever been to)?
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HooKars posted:Anyone have any really good made-up excuses for wanting to work in a specific state that you have no connection to (and haven't even ever been to)? (If California, what part?)
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HooKars posted:Anyone have any really good made-up excuses for wanting to work in a specific state that you have no connection to (and haven't even ever been to)?
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HooKars posted:Anyone have any really good made-up excuses for wanting to work in a specific state that you have no connection to (and haven't even ever been to)? Like a few have said now, engaged to someone from that state is the standard. I managed to find one client over the last month and did some relatively simple things for them. Why didn't someone else line up already?  drat it, I'm going to starve when deferral money runs out.
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HooKars posted:Anyone have any really good made-up excuses for wanting to work in a specific state that you have no connection to (and haven't even ever been to)?
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wacko_- posted:Like a few have said now, engaged to someone from that state is the standard. This seems easier for a guy. Do I have to go out and buy a cubic zirconia ring? My story will be awesome... I've already moved to Missouri for the guy, now apparently I'm following him on to Tennessee in my little made up story.
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HooKars posted:This seems easier for a guy. Do I have to go out and buy a cubic zirconia ring? My story will be awesome... I've already moved to Missouri for the guy, now apparently I'm following him on to Tennessee in my little made up story. Tennessee, make him your cousin.
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