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RHTITE posted:Well, you got me. In my defense though, the case could also be made with Burzum nowadays. None of the Christian black metal bands which I've listened to a worth a poo poo, but you come off like a massive moron. Don't include everybody else in your weird closeted view of black metal fans.
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Call me crazy, but I think the phenomenon of unblack metal is actually a positive development. Not because of the music itself - which I haven't heard so far - but because it shows that people of various backgrounds are still interested in extreme metal enough to express themselves through it.
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NATO posted:Call me crazy, but I think the phenomenon of unblack metal is actually a positive development. Not because of the music itself - which I haven't heard so far - but because it shows that people of various backgrounds are still interested in extreme metal enough to express themselves through it. I agree, and black metal more than any genre can use all the diversity it can get. Plus, it's not like you can actually hear what the lyrics in 90% of black metal are about anyway so if it bothers you that much just pretend he's singing about how he's beating off his darkened frost-spire in Loki's name.
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Can you people seriously not make out a lot of screamed lyrics? Yes, I am aware of the incoherence of pitch-shifted goregrind stuff, as well as screamed-into-a-headset "waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah" black metal vocals, but seriously, can you not even make out words?
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Jun 22, 2010 15:08
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Kaiho posted:Can you people seriously not make out a lot of screamed lyrics? Yes, I am aware of the incoherence of pitch-shifted goregrind stuff, as well as screamed-into-a-headset "waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah" black metal vocals, but seriously, can you not even make out words? Depends on the vocalist, but a reasonable amount of the time, yeah.
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NATO posted:Call me crazy, but I think the phenomenon of unblack metal is actually a positive development. Not because of the music itself - which I haven't heard so far - but because it shows that people of various backgrounds are still interested in extreme metal enough to express themselves through it. It might be positive if any of the bands ever showed themselves to be more than a social club with Black Metal riffs. The problem is that these guys never seem to get past the dress up part of the equation, so they end up sounding like a half-warmed copycat. Wolves In The Throne Room has come close once or twice, but to my ears, it sounds like their well ran dry like all the others  . I dunno, I'm one of those guys that takes it super seriously, and I've never heard any of these gimmicky bands achieve anything other than mediocrity in the end. I really don't think there's a pot of gold at the end of this particular rainbow.Anyway, I'm waking up to Midnight Odyssey this morning, and really liking their The Firmament album. Like 75% synthy Filosofem and 25% shoegaze. It's a lot more focused than his demo and it sounds like he's really on to something here. http://www.myspace.com/midnightodysseyband
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RHTITE posted:It might be positive if any of the bands ever showed themselves to be more than a social club with Black Metal riffs. The problem is that these guys never seem to get past the dress up part of the equation, so they end up sounding like a half-warmed copycat. Wolves In The Throne Room has come close once or twice, but to my ears, it sounds like their well ran dry like all the others How is being atheist or christian - things normal people actually believe - any more gimmicky than being satanist or asatru, things which barely exist outside of teenagers' basements?
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Fuklaw posted:Depends on the vocalist, but a reasonable amount of the time, yeah. Then why did you post "it's not like you can actually hear what the lyrics in 90% of black metal are about anyway"? A "reasonable amount of the time" understanding lyrics does not equal 90% of unintelligible black metal vocals. To me, at least.
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Fuklaw posted:How is being atheist or christian - things normal people actually believe - any more gimmicky than being satanist or asatru, things which barely exist outside of teenagers' basements? I don't recall saying that they are, other than in the context of a Black Metal band. In that case, yes, I would likely consider them gimmicky since that's all I've ever seen out of them, like I said.
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Kaiho posted:Then why did you post "it's not like you can actually hear what the lyrics in 90% of black metal are about anyway"? A "reasonable amount of the time" understanding lyrics does not equal 90% of unintelligible black metal vocals. To me, at least.
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NATO posted:I think he meant that he can not understand the lyrics a reasonable amount of time, which I would agree with. I've been listening to screaming music for more than decade and I can get the gist of what pretty much any vocalist is saying when they scream. I would think a lot of long time listeners are the same way. You can listen to Dissection and he might as well be singing, you can literally pick out anything he says. When you get to low grunting though, that's when I have a problem discerning words. Secondly, let me say that this whole unblack/black metal discussion is retarded and we've already had it like 3 times in this thread.
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Fuklaw posted:and black metal more than any genre can use all the diversity it can get. I would feel safe saying that most people are expecting something when they listen to a project simply labeled "Black Metal", and that something isn't something diverse and out there on the edge.
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lordblytzkrieg posted:I've been listening to screaming music for more than decade and I can get the gist of what pretty much any vocalist is saying when they scream. I would think a lot of long time listeners are the same way. I've been listening to screaming music for a long time as well - however, I can *never* make anything out. Ever. And, if I have the lyric sheet in front of me? It still doesn't make sense. I'll sit there thinking "So, that howl was supposed to be the word 'algae'?!  " Of course, I have audio processing issues that makes this type of thing impossible for me to do reliably anyways.
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Plasma1010 posted:I would feel safe saying that most people are expecting something when they listen to a project simply labeled "Black Metal", and that something isn't something diverse and out there on the edge.
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NATO posted:I think that's the point. Then why call it anything related to the genre Black Metal ? It's a problem I encounter with certain projects that will label themselves in multiple categories like Black Metal / Death Metal / Hardcore. It would seem it just has to do with trying to drive the Black Metal fan base towards their music, not so much that they are trying to create Black Metal. Plasma1010 fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Jun 23, 2010 |
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Qu Appelle posted:I've been listening to screaming music for a long time as well - however, I can *never* make anything out. Ever. And, if I have the lyric sheet in front of me? It still doesn't make sense. I'll sit there thinking "So, that howl was supposed to be the word 'algae'?! Algae, you say? Some crazy bastard in the Carribean made swashbucklin' Calypso metal and no one told me? I propose the name "Kraken metal" for this new sub-genre.
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Captain Chestbeard posted:Algae, you say? Some crazy bastard in the Carribean made swashbucklin' Calypso metal and no one told me? I propose the name "Kraken metal" for this new sub-genre. Actually, we can thank Borknagar for such madness. 'The Inner Ocean Hypothesis'. Which is a black metal song...about the sea. And algae.   
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Qu Appelle posted:Actually, we can thank Borknagar for such madness. 'The Inner Ocean Hypothesis'. Which is a black metal song...about the sea. And algae. I'd never heard the song before so had to youtube it. I never expected the "Algae" to be the first word I hear! But he's not really howling it is he, more singing (and pronouncing it like ehl-gee). His growled vocals are ridiculously coherent, once they kick in. (WTF is up with that band anyway)
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Kaiho posted:I'd never heard the song before so had to youtube it. I never expected the "Algae" to be the first word I hear! But he's not really howling it is he, more singing (and pronouncing it like ehl-gee). His growled vocals are ridiculously coherent, once they kick in. 'Algae' may be growled later on, I'm not entirely sure, and I'm not going to look it up now. But I still can't make out the growly stuff  I also can't make out incoherent people rambling at me on the bus either, so maybe there's an upside to odd hearing! Borknagar is their own special bucket of . I love them.
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Kaiho posted:I'd never heard the song before so had to youtube it. I never expected the "Algae" to be the first word I hear! But he's not really howling it is he, more singing (and pronouncing it like ehl-gee). His growled vocals are ridiculously coherent, once they kick in. Borknagar and Vintersorg are their own little bundles of Vintersorg posted:Faster, twice as fast than the gravitation equation permits, They're magical and I love them both. Also, I have to throw in my love for Countess Burning Scripture. This is an amazing album, probably one of my favourite of 2010!
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Moist von Lipwig posted:Also, I have to throw in my love for Countess Burning Scripture. This is an amazing album, probably one of my favourite of 2010! It really is, isn't it?
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Groke posted:It really is, isn't it? I really dont see how everyone is raving over this album. I just dont 'Get' the sound, it sounds a bit turd to me to be honest.
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MrWithers posted:I really dont see how everyone is raving over this album. I just dont 'Get' the sound, it sounds a bit turd to me to be honest. What, the sound is pretty much in the same vein as old Bathory if you ask me. And if that is not suitable for this kind of black metal I do not know what is.
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Groke posted:What, the sound is pretty much in the same vein as old Bathory if you ask me. And if that is not suitable for this kind of black metal I do not know what is. Just to give my persepective, here's some other recent releases that I would consider to be noteable black metal albums. Watain - Lawless Darkness Triptykon - Epasistera Daimones Nachtmystium - Addicts: Black Meddle Part 2 Countess - Burning Scrpiture Avsky - Scorn Lightning Swords of Death - The Extra Dimensional Wound Darkthrone - Circle the Wagons The nasty guitar tone for Burning Scripture is really what does it for me. That and the new Avsky are prety solid Bathory worship. I just heard about Denouncement Pyre a few weeks ago. Their new album as great potential after hearing the teaser. http://www.hellsheadbangers.com/denouncementpyre/
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Baron Von Ghoulosh posted:Countess - Burning Scrpiture Is there a place to buy, or even listen to this? I've searched my normal channels and found nothing. With all the talk, I'm anxious to hear it.
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MrWithers posted:I really dont see how everyone is raving over this album. I just dont 'Get' the sound, it sounds a bit turd to me to be honest. I might be the only other person to agree with you
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DominionOfSatyr posted:I might be the only other person to agree with you I don't like it much either, and honestly have never understood the appeal of Countess.
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Not Very Metal posted:Is there a place to buy, or even listen to this? I've searched my normal channels and found nothing. With all the talk, I'm anxious to hear it. You can preview two tracks from Burning Scripture here... ...and you can order it from Barbarian Wrath here. Enjoy! 
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There isn't really that much to "get" or explain about Countess. It is a distinctively 80s black metal sound mixed very liberally with various 80s heavy metal influences. Orlok has had cover songs of everything ranging from Manilla Road to St Vitus to Manowar on his albums. If you prefer your black metal to be trebly and blasty and full lizard shrieking and pretending that it came straight out of the norwegian 90s then no, you probably aren't going to like Countess.
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Not Very Metal posted:Is there a place to buy, or even listen to this? I've searched my normal channels and found nothing. With all the talk, I'm anxious to hear it. You can probably listen to the whole thing by searching youtube rips. Since it came out over a month ago, last.fm says I have listened to tracks on that album 246 times.
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Not Very Metal posted:Is there a place to buy, or even listen to this? I've searched my normal channels and found nothing. With all the talk, I'm anxious to hear it.
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Anyone listen to Walknut's 2007 album or any of the dudes' related bands? I'm starting to really get into Russian and Ukrainian stuff. Drudkh, Hate Forest, Lutomysl, that's all really good I think
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Giudecca posted:Anyone listen to Walknut's 2007 album or any of the dudes' related bands? I'm starting to really get into Russian and Ukrainian stuff. Drudkh, Hate Forest, Lutomysl, that's all really good I think I think most of this thread has listened to all of those bands. Walknut certainly got a lot of attention, and lutomysl was touted in one of the first metal threads on this forum. You should also try Forest, Old Wainds, Branikald, along with the obvious stuff like Nokturnal Mortum and Astrofaes. Vargleide may be to your liking, but can be a bastard to track down and is just as likely to disappoint as it is to entertain. Velimor and Dub Buk offer something slightly different from the rest without veering too far off track. You will probably also like Temnozor. Oh and despite the fact they're an absolute joke now, early Lucifugum is stunning. The Clit Avoider fucked around with this message at 11:47 on Jun 25, 2010 |
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Giudecca posted:Anyone listen to Walknut's 2007 album or any of the dudes' related bands? I'm starting to really get into Russian and Ukrainian stuff. Drudkh, Hate Forest, Lutomysl, that's all really good I think Love that record, been eagerly awaiting a new release for some time. Other bands similar that I recommend are Folkvang, Raventale, Concubia Nocte, Kob, Perterricrepus, Sirin, Karpathia, Kurgan and Igric to name a few. Edit: and Kroda. You must check out Kroda if you haven't already. Towards the Firmaments Verge of Life is one of my favorite black metal records of all time. Their side of the split with Oprich is phenomenal too. ultraviolence123 fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Jun 25, 2010 |
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poo poo drat, the record label didn't even cross my mind. That crusty guitar tone is nasty, I like it. Thanks all around.
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Hey guys. Four or five years ago I was really into black metal, but for the last years it’s been very hard for me to get into new albums as I find most of them generic and boring as gently caress. “Recent” stuff I like (I’m aware some of it isn’t highly original): Amesoeurs - Ruines Humaines. The new one was boring as gently caress. Arcturus - The Sham Mirrors (not really BM, but whatever) Ash Pool – Genital Tomb, World Turns on Its Hinge and Saturn’s Slave. New one disappointed a bit. Blut Aus Nord – The Work which Transforms God Bone Awl - Meaningless Leaning Mess Deathspell Omega – SMRC, Kenose and Fas. Dead Raven Choir - Their Feet Are the Foraging Ground for Wolves Drudkh - Autumn Aurora Enslaved – Vertebrae Funeral Mist – Salvation Furze – UTD Inquisition - Magnificent Glorification of Lucifer Leviathan - Tentacles of Whorror (love this one) Lugubrum - De Vette Cuecken Menace Ruine - Die Is Cast Mystic Forest – Romances Negurã Bunget – OM Peste Noire - La Sanie des siècles: Panégyrique de la dégénérescence. New one was meh. Satyricon – Rebel Extravaganza (old but modern sounding and still awesome). Sigh - Gallows Gallery (not really BM, but I love it). I could never get into HH. Velvet Cacoon – Genevieve and P aa opal Poere Pr. 33 (love these) Wolves in the Throne Room - Diadem of 12 Stars and Two Hunters I enjoy Watain, Katharsis, etc. but enough of that. Lifelover is meh. I was hoping you could recommend me some original new black metal albums, especially if they have a very layered and psychedelic quality to them (like Furze’s UTD or Leviathan’s ToH and unlike Nachtmystium’s Assassins). I know enough classic BM albums to keep my craving for “traditional” BM satisfied, so please try not to recommend me any “limited to 50 copies” Darkthrone/Mütiilation clone cassettes no one cares about unless, of course, it is absolutely amazing (in which case, there’re probably more than 50 copies available). Thank you! EDIT: Alcest is OK. Horrorca fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Jun 25, 2010 |
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Horrorca posted:I was hoping you could recommend me some original new black metal albums, especially if they have a very layered and psychedelic quality to them (like Furze’s UTD or Leviathan’s ToH and unlike Nachtmystium’s Assassins). Maybe try a US band called, Castevet. They're from New York. I've just recently discovered them myself but, they're avant-garde, experimentation, psychedelic, hardcore/grindcore rage coupled with great dark and haunting melodies. Along the lines of other black metal bands distributed by Profound Lore (i.e. Ludicra, Cobalt, Krallice, The Howling Wind, etc.) You may like them too. Their 2010 release is called, Mounds of Ash. Check them out here and buy their album here.
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If you want layered and psychedelic you're probably better off looking at another genre. In my opinion there's plenty of good black metal out there, but looking at your list I'm guessing you probably wouldn't agree with my suggestions. edit: I just found a bunch of Moonblood stuff that I thought I had lost. Upon listening to it again it probably should have stayed lost. MrBling fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Jun 25, 2010 |
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Dude, you're completely out of your mind. Moonblood is excellent black metal of the highest quality.
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Horrorca posted:I was hoping you could recommend me some original new black metal albums, especially if they have a very layered and psychedelic quality to them (like Furze’s UTD or Leviathan’s ToH and unlike Nachtmystium’s Assassins). I'll do my best. Miserere Luminis - S/T, very highly recommended!! I think it satisfies your description well. Caina - S/T EP, quite experimental and with the usual shocking emotional honesty of Caina. Gris - Il Était une Forêt... Enmerkar - Starlit Passage Every single Leviathan release + the 2001 and 2005 L.O.C. (brilliantly eerie) And of course the modern blog darlings such as Altar of Plagues and Petrychor.
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