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Random post, but can i just say that I'm at an Exodus show, Malevolent Creation is on in 5 minutes, and these guys Holy Grail who just played were fuckin outstanding NWOBHM-type thrash. Singer with chops, outstanding technical dual leads, showman guitarist, solid fist-pump anthems. Highly recommended you catch them. So good that I'm on a mobile and am about to go to thee trouble of going back and boldfacing them. Aaaand the dangers of posting from the mobile is that you don't notice the black metal thread vs. trad metal thread, sorry bout that folks rivetz fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Aug 17, 2010 |
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ruinedhero posted:How long can you stick with a format that has such a glass ceiling for any chance of success. Forever, because it's art and not a quest for commercial success?
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Kaiho posted:Forever, because it's art and not a quest for commercial success? I don't want to have this debate because it is pointless. Making some semblance of a decent living from playing music is not "commercial success", it is art regardless.
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Aug 17, 2010 16:23
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ruinedhero posted:I don't want to have this debate because it is pointless. Making some semblance of a decent living from playing music is not "commercial success", it is art regardless. Off the top of my head, I can't think of very many "decent living" (extreme) metal bands, from Europe anyway. Most of those guys have jobs that allow them to take breaks for touring or at the very least are connected to music somehow. Hell, even Dan loving Swanö works at a music shop when not producing or touring. Nocturno Culto from Darkthrone (whom I hope you would classify as successful) is a full-time schoolteacher, while Fenriz works for Peaceville. There is no hope for them to make a living off their music alone. gently caress, even Aaron Weaver of Wolves in the Throne Room, despite their come-lately hipster success, is a full-time farmer when not touring. I think his brother just bums around though. I think you're being far too optimistic about the possibility of "making some semblance of a decent living" from playing metal.
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Aug 17, 2010 18:05
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If money drove Behemoth then you really can't blame them at all, I remember hearing Richard Christy from Death saying that even though they were playing huge festivals and tons of gigs he still couldn't sustain himself for maybe more than 1 or 2 months. It's definitely a hard genre to make money off of.
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Aug 17, 2010 19:35
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Any artist who would compromise their work for the sake of money isn't worthy of having fans, especially in black metal which originated largely against the commercialism that raped death metal. If someone wants money, get a job.
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Aug 17, 2010 20:08
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I somehow managed to miss news of its release, but the new Winterfylleth album, The Mercian Sphere, is really good. Saw them supporting Sigh last week and bought the album afterwards for a tenner. It reminds me of new Nazxul, in a good way.
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Aug 17, 2010 20:19
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Have you guys checked out The Black Satans -The Mutilation of Christ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bQM5G5y7ik
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Aug 17, 2010 20:45
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JohnPaul2nd posted:Have you guys checked out The Black Satans -The Mutilation of Christ I lawled at the Cradle shirts.
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Aug 17, 2010 20:54
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JohnPaul2nd posted:Have you guys checked out The Black Satans -The Mutilation of Christ The Moonsorrow cover by the same guy(s) is also pretty awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6idE2espIQ
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Aug 17, 2010 22:05
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Nordicwinter is a dude in his basement in Quebec. Have some Myspace and a music video by the sole band member.
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Aug 17, 2010 22:40
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Hellwuzzat posted:Nordicwinter is a dude in his basement in Quebec. Have some Myspace and a music video by the sole band member. I like this. Even though it sounds like he's not so versatile at all the instruments he's playing, he does a good job. I might not be making the right memory connection but it reminds me of Drudkh.
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Aug 18, 2010 14:25
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According to these clips, Enslaved's new album Axioma Ethica Odini sounds pretty promising.  
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Baron Von Ghoulosh posted:According to these clips, Enslaved's new album Axioma Ethica Odini sounds pretty promising. Heck YES. Ethica Odini grabbed me immediately and when it cut out I was all 
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Hellwuzzat posted:Nordicwinter is a dude in his basement in Quebec. Have some Myspace and a music video by the sole band member. About Enslaved - Wow, thanks for pointing to this. I haven't heard of new promising BM albums for a long time and it sure grabbed me
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Baron Von Ghoulosh posted:According to these clips, Enslaved's new album Axioma Ethica Odini sounds pretty promising. Sounds really, really promising - can't wait to hear the full thing. Still really sad that they're not doing a headliner tour of Europe this winter any more, instead supporting Dimmu Borgir on theirs  EDIT: ^^^^^^^  Nergal avatar buddies 4 life
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Aug 19, 2010 18:28
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Kaiho posted:Fenriz works for Peaceville. Last I heard, Fenriz still had his day job working for the Norwegian postal service, as he has been doing since forever. (Dude is also an enthusiastic outdoorsman and has written a few articles for major newspapers about his favourite camping sites, skiing routes, fishing spots, that kind of thing.)
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Groke posted:Last I heard, Fenriz still had his day job working for the Norwegian postal service, as he has been doing since forever. (Dude is also an enthusiastic outdoorsman and has written a few articles for major newspapers about his favourite camping sites, skiing routes, fishing spots, that kind of thing.) I stand corrected. But he does run/help run Moonfog, which is part of Peaceville, etc. So I wasn't completely off the mark, right?  edit: VVVV Oh completely. Running a label is a surefire way to a stomach ulcer and liver damage, nothing good. VV Kaiho fucked around with this message at 09:44 on Aug 20, 2010 |
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Kaiho posted:I stand corrected. But he does run/help run Moonfog, which is part of Peaceville, etc. So I wasn't completely off the mark, right? Nah, but there's no way that Moonfog is more than a nice little source of beer money.
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I saw Ihsahn last night! It was wicked awesome. He even played a couple of Emperor songs: "The Tongue Of Fire" and "Thus Spake The Nightspirit". Very impressive set (although the vocals were a bit too quiet in parts - slightly dodgy mixing going on). I wasn't really too familiar with Ihsahn's solo stuff - I've got The Adversary, but that's about it - but will definitely check out more of his albums, as everything sounded fantastic - especially "On The Shores", which was the last song before the encore. He also described Emperor as a "boy band I was in during the 90s". I laughed.  And he wears glasses! <3 Other bands: Leprous, aka Ihsahn's backing band, were dreadful playing their own material but worked well with Ihsahn; the drummer managed to split one of his kick-drums during "The Tongue Of Fire" Shining (Nor) were very, very interesting and intense - the black metal and jazz fusion worked better than I'd feared. Saxophone solo!
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Anyone listened to Drudkh's latest, Handful of Stars? It has a very different sound from their previous works. It's hard to even classify as black metal. Way more rock-influenced like Amesoeurs and Lantlos. No more buzzy folk-tinged stuff, the guitar is remarkably cleaner and everything is just more stripped down. There's even David Gilmour-esque guitar solos at two points. I really enjoyed it, but I also like the post-punk take on black metal that's been getting popular lately.
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Found myself a Darkthrone tshirt today at a local record store, with the 'Sardonic Wrath' motif. "Made in Honduras, Imported by Mexico", They also had the motif from Emperor - Emperor, but with the logo in gold instead of red.  EvilMoJoJoJo posted:Shining (Nor) were very, very interesting and intense - the black metal and jazz fusion worked better than I'd feared. Saxophone solo! This sounds awesome. Captain Scandinaiva fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Aug 20, 2010 |
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ruinedhero posted:How long can you stick with a format that has such a glass ceiling for any chance of success. If you are attempting success, simply don't start creating Black Metal. I don't think anyone is truthfully annoyed with modern day bands like Dimmu Borgir, Satyricon, etc. because they are successful. People are annoyed with the fact that they over-produce their sound these days. It is not the grim, distant ambient-distorted sound it once was. And major record labels, which will give you a chance to live part of your life by touring and through royalties just wont pick you up. Or they will, if you produce with them for your next release. To even be recognized in major Metal magazines depends on what label you are on, if thats how you judge success in Metal. But I would argue that Taake is a fairly successful Black Metal band, which has still kept true to the Genre. So what is my point ... I'm not ever sure anymore, but basically you are either a Black Metal project or you are not. If you made a first album that was Black Metal and that was the intent, and your intent is to no longer make Black Metal because you want to "break the glass ceiling out of Black Metal for success" ... why bother to keep the same name, or even simply the persona that you are a Black Metal project ?
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drainpipe posted:Anyone listened to Drudkh's latest, Handful of Stars? It has a very different sound from their previous works. It's hard to even classify as black metal. Way more rock-influenced like Amesoeurs and Lantlos. No more buzzy folk-tinged stuff, the guitar is remarkably cleaner and everything is just more stripped down. There's even David Gilmour-esque guitar solos at two points. I really enjoyed it, but I also like the post-punk take on black metal that's been getting popular lately. They must have written this album before they heard Belus. Indie Shoegazer Black Metal is loving stupid and this album is the terrible among the bad. It isn't surprising at all since Drudkh hasn't had an original, let alone good, idea in their entire lifespan, but I still manage to let myself get disappointed by these things. On the other hand, the samples from the new Enslaved album make it sound like they might be going in an interesting direction again, and Averse Sefira are working on a new album http://aversesefira.blogspot.com/ 
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Captain Scandinaiva posted:This sounds awesome. It is and you should definitely check it out!
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EvilMoJoJoJo posted:Shining (Nor) were very, very interesting and intense - the black metal and jazz fusion worked better than I'd feared. Saxophone solo! Wow, that's insane.  sums it up nicely.
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RHTITE posted:Indie Shoegazer Black Metal is loving stupid and this album is the terrible among the bad. You said it. I just listened to it and it's horrible.
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EvilMoJoJoJo posted:He also described Emperor as a "boy band I was in during the 90s". I laughed. Oh how the mighty have fallen EvilMoJoJoJo posted:Shining (Nor) were very, very interesting and intense - the black metal and jazz fusion worked better than I'd feared. Saxophone solo! I hope they'll do something on par with Halmstad again. Klagopsalmer wasn't too bad, but nowhere close to the former. The cover song is probably the best one on it. RHTITE posted:They must have written this album before they heard Belus. Indie Shoegazer Black Metal is loving stupid and this album is the terrible among the bad. It isn't surprising at all since Drudkh hasn't had an original, let alone good, idea in their entire lifespan, but I still manage to let myself get disappointed by these things. Bashing Drudkh as indie hipster poo poo while being excited about new Enslaved is pretty wierd. Though I agree that Handful of Stars is easily their worst, I think Forgotten Legends is one of the top albums of the decade. And seconding the joy over a new Averse Sefira album. They can do no wrong. I hope. Hrafn fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Aug 23, 2010 |
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Hrafn posted:I hope they'll do something on par with Halmstad again. Klagopsalmer wasn't too bad, but nowhere close to the former. The cover song is probably the best one on it. The band you're looking for is Shining from Sweden. Shining from Norway plays black metal influenced jazz.
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QPZIL posted:The band you're looking for is Shining from Sweden. Shining from Norway plays black metal influenced jazz. Well gently caress me, I can't read  .Though swedish Shining do have some jazzy parts too, on their newer albums!
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Hrafn posted:Bashing Drudkh as indie hipster poo poo while being excited about new Enslaved is pretty wierd. Though I agree that Handful of Stars is easily their worst, I think Forgotten Legends is one of the top albums of the decade. I don't get it. When I listen to the later Enslaved albums (from ELD on) I hear a band that stumbled in finding their inspiration and skill again after two amazing albums in Vikingligr Veldi and Frost, made a freaking savage Speed Metal album (Blodhemn) and then realized that they needed to go in a new direction the same way Immortal did, releasing Mardraum. They certainly haven't been great since then, but they haven't been entirely terrible either, and I haven't heard anything that would make me question the purity of their intent, as I understand it. Drudkh, on the other hand, after 2 decent but redundant albums in Autumn Aurora and Swan Road, showed that their well ran dry of Burzum and Graveland influences, so they scrambled through half thought out folk and icky Black Metal before finally publically whoring themselves out to prevailing trend of the day for lack of solid ideas with this new album. I admit to being pretty protective of Enslaved though, since I believe that if you release a set of albums like Yggdrasil, Hordane's Land, Vikingligr Veldi and Frost, you get a lot more room to gently caress up afterwords. It's Slayer's Law. And they're still an OK Heavy Metal band, no matter how disappointed I might be that they went this way. Drudkh isn't there yet by a long shot.
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RHTITE posted:I don't get it. When I listen to the later Enslaved albums (from ELD on) I hear a band that stumbled in finding their inspiration and skill again after two amazing albums in Vikingligr Veldi and Frost, made a freaking savage Speed Metal album (Blodhemn) and then realized that they needed to go in a new direction the same way Immortal did, releasing Mardraum. They certainly haven't been great since then, but they haven't been entirely terrible either, and I haven't heard anything that would make me question the purity of their intent, as I understand it. Drudkh, on the other hand, after 2 decent but redundant albums in Autumn Aurora and Swan Road, showed that their well ran dry of Burzum and Graveland influences, so they scrambled through half thought out folk and icky Black Metal before finally publically whoring themselves out to prevailing trend of the day for lack of solid ideas with this new album. I'm actually enjoying the new Drudkh but mostly because it's not like their previous stuff, which did nothing for me and seemed really unremarkable. This new album isn't mind-blowing and runs together a bit but it's not too bad overall.
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You know, I still say that the Indie Shoegazey droning Black Metal is awful, but there are a couple of really neat instances where that style is used as a launching pad for really inspired hybridizations of Black Metal. First example would be Midnight Odyssey's release Forest Poetry which mixes the repetitive droning with Burzum's Filosofem type of pop structure to make a very contemplative album. Also there's the I Shalt Become album Poison which takes the shoegazing and mixes it with doom metal pacing and epic symphonic "soundtrack" type classical to make a very claustrophobic and emotionally imposing album. I guess my point is that Indie Black Metal is basically half baked music where all the technique is there, but it's completely soulless, like the Drudkh album, so why listen to/recommend it?
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I would agree that the new Drudkh is tragically uninspired, and it definitely sounds like an attempt to get in on modern trends, but I'm not so dismissive of shoegaze-bm stuff in general. There are obviously a bunch of hacks crowding the genre, but I think it's having a good influence on other artists. Perhaps people underestimate how hard it is to write an album as melodic as Écailles de Lune without it turning into a completely saccharine snooze-fest. I would say that album also has soul, but it might be harder to 'get into' because 'getting into it' involves entering a world of moonlit water nymphs.
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Aug 25, 2010 22:54
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ruinedhero posted:
What, exactly, is "full success"?
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RHTITE posted:I guess my point is that Indie Black Metal is basically half baked music where all the technique is there, but it's completely soulless, like the Drudkh album, so why listen to/recommend it?
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We've done it, folks. We've reached full success.
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het posted:Well I don't really accept the premise that it's soulless, but beyond that, if I enjoy it, why not listen to it? If nothing else, I'm genuinely happy that it makes you happy. I enjoy tonnes of stuff that I'd describe to someone as bad, but I think that it's better to recommend to someone a really top notch record/genre/dildo etc as opposed to an average one. The great stuff will be a more fulfilling experience for a longer time, and will lead the person to stuff that's connected to the great "X" as opposed to the average one. I'm a spazzy elitist so it seems like there's always going to be clashes of opinion on what constitutes great, but it's nice to just hang out and shoot the poo poo while typing a lot of fuckin words about Black Metal.
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BREAKING NEWS Behemoth have confirmed that band frontman Adam “Nergal” Darski is currently suffering from Leukemia and issued the following statement on the matter: “BEHEMOTH leader Nergal has just found out he needs a marrow transplant to fight the sickness he has recently been diagnosed with (leukemia). In light of this he wants to remind everyone about the need to be on the marrow registry. The more people get tested and donate, the more of a chance for life there is for him and people in the same situation. BEHEMOTH and Metal Blade would like to thank everyone for their support and well wishes during this difficult time. The best thing we can all do right now is learn about the marrow donation process, not only help save one of metal’s leaders, but to also help save countless others out there struggling with the same disease. To learn more about how you can register to donate marrow check out: http://www.marrow.org/ Fans wanting to help out, register for the marrow program, or have questions on running a marrow drive may contact the organization Music Saves Lives by email at iCare@musicsaveslives.com or visit Music Saves Lives at http://www.musicsaveslives.org/ Music Saves Lives is the bridge between music, entertainment and important life-saving causes. We bring a simple concept; connect the music and entertainment, we all love, to a life saving community action. MSL has focused efforts on blood donation and the marrow registry, reaching out by sharing facts, educating and empowering. We educate about the importance of simple life saving actions they can participate in. These simple actions, like donating blood, running a blood drive, and registering for the marrow program to save those with leukemia, all connect back to the community.” http://www.theprp.com/2010/08/25/news/behemoth-confirm-nergals-leukemia-diagnosis-bone-marrow-being-sought/
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I liked a fair bit of Drudkh's more atmospheric output but the new album bored the hell out of me. Their atmospheric stuff could stand being a bit repetitive at times because the songs actually went somewhere, nothing on Handful of Stars goes anywhere or does anything interesting.
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