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Lone Rogue posted:... Sabu is listed to being owed $0. That's right, $0. Paul Heyman ensured that it said Sabu wasn't owed anything.
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savinhill posted:All I know about the money stuff is what I read, but I agree about the promoting. The only way I knew ECW existed back in the 90's is that I stumbled across it on some Spanish language station, buried on the UHF dial, late night. I liked it, I tried to watch it the next week, it wasn't on at the time I watched it the week before. I didn't have the internet or buy wrestling magazines, so I forgot about it until a couple months later, when it was on the same channel, but at a different time. It depended on what market you were in. If you lived in the Northeast and were a big wrestling fan, it wasn't hard to know about ECW. They ran ads for house shows during Raw and Nitro. They had Hardcore TV on channels people tended to get (in NY they were on MSG, at the time the Yankees, Knicks and Rangers station) although at 1 AM. They also ran in the area frequently. Outside of the Northeast, the TV got even weaker and they ran less shows so you got less exposure to ads and the shows themselves. So yes they could have paid for better TV throughout the country, but that would have sunk the company sooner. They needed whatever TV they could get with a concentration on where they actually ran shows.
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MassRayPer posted:It depended on what market you were in. If you lived in the Northeast and were a big wrestling fan, it wasn't hard to know about ECW. They ran ads for house shows during Raw and Nitro. They had Hardcore TV on channels people tended to get (in NY they were on MSG, at the time the Yankees, Knicks and Rangers station) although at 1 AM. They also ran in the area frequently.
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MassRayPer posted:So yes they could have paid for better TV throughout the country, but that would have sunk the company sooner. They needed whatever TV they could get with a concentration on where they actually ran shows. That was the problem -- Heyman saw that people were talking about ECW all over the Internet, so he wanted to go nationally ASAP, which is why he rushed into doing Pay-Per-Views. ECW would probably have survived as a northeast would-be territory for a while longer if Heyman hadn't started doing things like trying to get every independent wrestler around (thus bloating the roster), rushing into PPV, and selling his soul for national television. Basically, he started operating ECW as though it were a national promotion with the same prominence as WCW and the WWF, but he did so without anywhere near a similar budget. And then he had to start writing huge checks for the PPV providers, and checks to the larger arenas in which he was trying to run shows, and then meet the guarantees he'd given wrestlers to keep them from jumping to WCW / WWF, and then he finally stopped writing checks at all.
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Lamuella posted:Just to compare Hogan't theme and the original nWo theme:
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LividLiquid posted:Again, I realize they're aping the original nWo theme. I even said they were. I just mean if they could use the original, they likely would. I thought it was a Vanilla Ice situation, where by changing a note or two, they try to avoid a lawsuit.
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savinhill posted:I thought it was a DDP situation, where by playing it backward, they try to avoid a lawsuit.
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I still get agitated whenever I hear the "Hey Joe" riff in the nWo theme, aped or no. I mean, I know WCW loved aping the poo poo out of established rock tunes, but it struck me as lovely sampling which is a worse offender.
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Wise Fwom Yo Gwave posted:I still get agitated whenever I hear the "Hey Joe" riff in the nWo theme, aped or no. I mean, I know WCW loved aping the poo poo out of established rock tunes, but it struck me as lovely sampling which is a worse offender. And it didn't bother you when Hogan straight up stole Voodoo Chile?
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El Axo Grande posted:And it didn't bother you when Hogan straight up stole Voodoo Chile? I thought he was actually using the real song. I'm less embarrassed if a song is being used for a bad rear end wrestling entrance, than some lovely commercial, or TV show. gently caress CSI,you ruined BABA O'Reilly for me! savinhill fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Oct 9, 2010 |
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El Axo Grande posted:And it didn't bother you when Hogan straight up stole Voodoo Chile? Oh it did. Believe me it did. But we're talking about the nWo theme right now, so I didn't wanna start talking about that, or Smells Like Teen Spirit, or Evenflow, or whatever other aping occurred. There was a ton of it, and it was all obnoxious.
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Wise Fwom Yo Gwave posted:Oh it did. Believe me it did. But we're talking about the nWo theme right now, so I didn't wanna start talking about that, or Smells Like Teen Spirit, or Evenflow, or whatever other aping occurred. There was a ton of it, and it was all obnoxious. I hope you don't watch TNA because pretty much every song they use is a rip off of some other song.
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Wise Fwom Yo Gwave posted:Oh it did. Believe me it did. But we're talking about the nWo theme right now, so I didn't wanna start talking about that, or Smells Like Teen Spirit, or Evenflow, or whatever other aping occurred. There was a ton of it, and it was all obnoxious. Its a Jimmy Hart trademark steal from popular songs
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Mr. Carlisle posted:That's awesome. I figured it was one of Steiner's crazy ideas but knowing that a fan just randomly gave it to him and he liked it enough to just start wearing it is even better. I think D'lo Brown wore that chest protector for much the same reason.
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Oddly enough, after I peeked into Wrestlehut for the first time a couple months ago, I tried watching TNA. I never even paid attention to their themes because I had a feeling they'd do the same thing WCW did, and you've just proved me right. It's better that I didn't pay attention. I stopped watching TNA as soon as they were preempted by reruns of Gangland.
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KungFu Grip posted:I hope you don't watch TNA because pretty much every song they use is a rip off of some other song. I swear there's a riff in Mr. Anderson's theme that is ripped from an AC/DC song, but I can never think of it.
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Shoot To Thrill was what the WWE one ripped off, so it's probably that being TNA rips off a lot from the WWE (i.e. Christian's Jericho-esque entrance).
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:I swear there's a riff in Mr. Anderson's theme that is ripped from an AC/DC song, but I can never think of it. Daffney's is straight up Marylin Manson's Beautiful People. Beer Money's I think has something from Bon Jovi.
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Oct 9, 2010 03:56
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Most TNA guys who come from WWE get a ripoff of their WWE song.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Shoot To Thrill was what the WWE one ripped off, so it's probably that being TNA rips off a lot from the WWE (i.e. Christian's Jericho-esque entrance). No, Mr Andersons WWE theme was a song from Australian band Airborne.
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Oct 9, 2010 05:15
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Did anyone in Japan ever whip out their dick before performing a bronco buster? I remember seeing a gif somewhere but can't remember if it was a bronco or just some guy giving dick against a turnbuckle.
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Oct 9, 2010 05:17
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Veg posted:No, Mr Andersons WWE theme was a song from Australian band Airborne. Yeah but Airborne is pretty much AC/DC.
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:Yeah but Airborne is pretty much AC/DC. Just faster and not so monotonous.
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Veg posted:Just faster and not so monotonous. Sir, you forget yourself! Shut up!
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Wise Fwom Yo Gwave posted:Did anyone in Japan ever whip out their dick before performing a bronco buster? I remember seeing a gif somewhere but can't remember if it was a bronco or just some guy giving dick against a turnbuckle. Sounds like something Danshoku Dino would do.
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Owen: I don't need you with a bad leg doin' the Bret! You're too drat selfish, & that's why you're sittin' there with a bad leg, & that's why I kicked your leg out of your leg! [minutes later] Million Dollar Man: That's the smartest thing I've heard come out of Owen Hart's mouth. What are some other great gaffes to come out of promos?
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Shitty_Wok posted:Owen: I don't need you with a bad leg doin' the Bret! You're too drat selfish, & that's why you're sittin' there with a bad leg, & that's why I kicked your leg out of your leg! Sid: ".. aw hell can we start over?" JR: "we're live pal"
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Shitty_Wok posted:Owen: I don't need you with a bad leg doin' the Bret! You're too drat selfish, & that's why you're sittin' there with a bad leg, & that's why I kicked your leg out of your leg! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsWwasyCSo&feature=related
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Some weird stuff going on over at the FCW website. Riley and Kaval are for some reason still listed as FCW talent even though Riley is on Raw every week with The Miz and Kaval just won a Smackdown contract. Yet another boring Dibiase is on the roster:  And two more luchadors are coming apparently:   Anyone know anything about these two?
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Mr. Carlisle posted:Some weird stuff going on over at the FCW website. Riley and Kaval are for some reason still listed as FCW talent even though Riley is on Raw every week with The Miz and Kaval just won a Smackdown contract. I hope he gets a wellness violation just so I can post Epico Failure
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Mr. Carlisle posted:That's Orlando Colon and Incognito. The best Colon and the weak link in every Lucha match, YAY!
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They've been on the roster for a while.
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Mr. Carlisle posted:Some weird stuff going on over at the FCW website. Riley and Kaval are for some reason still listed as FCW talent even though Riley is on Raw every week with The Miz and Kaval just won a Smackdown contract. That's not new. The Dudebusters and Vance Archer are on the roster too, and have been for months. Doesn't really mean much, just that they occasionally do matches down there.
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Alastor_the_Stylish posted:That's Orlando Colon and Incognito. Didn't know Orlando was considered the best of the Colons. Cool.
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:Didn't know Orlando was considered the best of the Colons. Cool. Much better than Carlito or Perforated.
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Moose Bigelow posted:Much better than Carlito or Perforated. Or Impacted, for that matter.
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BizarroAzrael posted:I think D'lo Brown wore that chest protector for much the same reason. He started wearing it because of a hurt ribs angle and kept wearing it because he was self conscious about how fat he had gotten.
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Why doesn't the new DiBiase grow a beard? The first one already sucks beyond the point of redemption, at least this new one would look more like his awesome father than his lovely brother.
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CombineThresher posted:Or Impacted, for that matter. He can't touch Spastic, though. That guy is insane.
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