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4 Day Weekend posted:Well right now all 2TB HDDs are 5400RPM, so not exactly something you'd want to have as a boot drive. Still, hopefully 1155/new AMD boards will make UEFI standard.
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Is this the only reason 3tb drives aren't available except in external enclosures? I'm sure a bunch* of people would still buy them immediately. *or at least some.
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Oct 11, 2010 08:11
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Triikan posted:Is this the only reason 3tb drives aren't available except in external enclosures? I'm sure a bunch* of people would still buy them immediately.
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Oct 11, 2010 08:12
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Alereon posted:That's not true, there are 2TB and 3TB 7200rpm HDDs. Really? Which ones?
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Oct 11, 2010 13:32
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4 Day Weekend posted:Really? Which ones?
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Oct 11, 2010 13:40
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Alereon posted:The Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB for example, the Seagate FreeAgent GoFlex Desk 3TB also contains a 3TB Barracuda XT 7200rpm drive. Those are pretty awesome. I'll probably pick them up once they get a bit cheaper.
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4 Day Weekend posted:Those are pretty awesome. I'll probably pick them up once they get a bit cheaper. Yeah, there's actually quite a few 7200RPM 2TB drives... I have no idea about the quality of the Hitachi drives, but I'd be sorely tempted if I actually had the money to spend.
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Oct 11, 2010 17:31
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Triikan posted:Is this the only reason 3tb drives aren't available except in external enclosures? I'm sure a bunch* of people would still buy them immediately. Buy an external one and remove it from the enclosure.
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Oct 11, 2010 19:41
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According to a guy posting on a Chinese forum (yeah...), a Sandy Bridge Core i7 2600K has been overclocked to 5Ghz (from 3.4Ghz) using air cooling. This is one of the unlocked processors, and the overclock was accomplished by raising the multiplier, at a voltage of under 1.40V. Even if it wasn't stable or he used an unhealthy amount of voltage (1.4v is a lot for a 32nm CPU, especially for long-term stability), this bodes well for stable overclocks in the high-4Ghz range. Current dual-core Clarkdales hit ~4.15Ghz with stock cooling and 4.5Ghz with water, and the six-core Gulftowns have hit 4.13Ghz, so this isn't out of the range of whats possible.
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How does AMD's Fusion compare to Sandy Bridge? Is Intel closer to delivering Sandy Bridge?
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Kerris posted:How does AMD's Fusion compare to Sandy Bridge? Is Intel closer to delivering Sandy Bridge?
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Kerris posted:How does AMD's Fusion compare to Sandy Bridge? Is Intel closer to delivering Sandy Bridge? Mainstream part for Fusion is Llano which is K10 + 400/480 shader GPU. Needless to say the GPU will slaughter SB outright but the CPU portion will be 2 generations behind SB by the time its comes out in 2H 2011. But the real star of the show is Bobcat which will have C2D + 5450 class performance on a power footprint of an Atom which will be released by the end of this year....Now that is impressive!
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freeforumuser posted:Mainstream part for Fusion is Llano which is K10 + 400/480 shader GPU. Needless to say the GPU will slaughter SB outright but the CPU portion will be 2 generations behind SB by the time its comes out in 2H 2011. But the real star of the show is Bobcat which will have C2D + 5450 class performance on a power footprint of an Atom which will be released by the end of this year....Now that is impressive! It should make the netbook market interesting again at least, although I've never understood the fascination people have with wanting to play games on a netbook.
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Oct 27, 2010 01:01
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WhyteRyce posted:It should make the netbook market interesting again at least, although I've never understood the fascination people have with wanting to play games on a netbook.
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WhyteRyce posted:It should make the netbook market interesting again at least, although I've never understood the fascination people have with wanting to play games on a netbook. With current netbooks I agree, but Bobcat should lift netbook performance to an acceptable standard that netbook gaming will be finally viable and also competition against the slowass Atom. If Bobcat can force Intel to put a scaled-down SB into netbooks that would be even better on the whole.
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Here's a video of UEFI, from Asus, in action. http://techreport.com/discussions.x/19920 I had a pretty hardcore nerd moment while watching it. I've been building/fixing PC's since I was in high school and this looks so amazing compared to bios.
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How much of a decrease in boot times do you think we'll see from UEFI vs. BIOS?
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Cryolite posted:How much of a decrease in boot times do you think we'll see from UEFI vs. BIOS?
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Cryolite posted:How much of a decrease in boot times do you think we'll see from UEFI vs. BIOS? UEFI, I was told anyway, also allows for the operating system to do a warm reboot without UEFI re-executing. So there is that.
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Alereon posted:In theory all of the time between when the first POST image appears on your monitor and the Windows logo can be eliminated, especially if you're using an SSD and don't have to wait for it to spin up. That's 10+ seconds on my system. I'm currently nearing the end of week-long training with EFI down at AMI, and I'd say even with tons of debug code active, we're seeing a reference board get to OS in ~20 seconds or so. I'm porting their reference UEFI BIOS to our new platform, so I can answer as much non-NDA'd stuff 'bout EFI as I can.
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You guys thinking about doing anything really different like putting a a Linux based hypervisor as an option? Or am I mistaken in believing that is possible at all?
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dud root posted:Are the Socket 2011 quad channel CPUs classed as "sandy bridge"?
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OK good I didnt want to crap up the thread with questions on a different architecture. What do we know about them? (the graphics-less chips) My searching yields vague year old press releases. I think my O/C'd E8400 will last until whenever they are released
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I just hope Intel gets some systems out to Linux driver guys, so that we don't have the issues of blank screen when booting up an install CD when these systems first come out.
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They're for multi-socket servers and high-end workstations, so not something you'd be considering for your system. That's what the LGA-1155 is for.
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spanko posted:Here's a video of UEFI, from Asus, in action. drat it, when are these coming out again? I want something to upgrade from my E8400. I want a i5-2500K chip and a UEFI motherboard so bad I can't stand it. 
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movax posted:I'm currently nearing the end of week-long training with EFI down at AMI, and I'd say even with tons of debug code active, we're seeing a reference board get to OS in ~20 seconds or so. I'm porting their reference UEFI BIOS to our new platform, so I can answer as much non-NDA'd stuff 'bout EFI as I can. I hope this doesn't come across as a loaded question, because I'm actually curious. BIOS as we all know is kinda slow, but what really kills it is all the "addins" that have their own screens, device enumerations, etc. before you hit the OS. By way oof example: basic POST -> OS = x seconds enable AHCI in BIOS = x + y seconds install a RAID card = x + y + z seconds configure the JMicron RAID = yet another screen and even more seconds added to boot time. Will EFI help with this crap? Will we ever get to a Mac-like grey screen -> OS in stupidly low amount of time?
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Alereon posted:They're for multi-socket servers and high-end workstations, so not something you'd be considering for your system. That's what the LGA-1155 is for. Depends on the pricing, but I don't regret going LGA-1366, and I imagine LGA-2011 will be similar.
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~Coxy posted:I hope this doesn't come across as a loaded question, because I'm actually curious. It's a much faster modular system running out of flash memory. Some of our servers use it now and initialization time is a fraction of what it was previously. I believe Macs are already using EFI, which is a good portion of why they can get to OS load so quickly.
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~Coxy posted:I hope this doesn't come across as a loaded question, because I'm actually curious. Well, a lot of what slows down PC boots are all those Option ROMs that are getting loaded; RAID cards loading and trapping Int 13h, etc. That, and now EFI can be stored on a flash chip on various busses, from LPC to SPI. EFI does 3 stages: SEC, PEI, DXE. The first two are pretty "fixed", with the third being where all the drivers are loaded (Driver eXection Environment). The OEM can write their own custom DXE modules to do whatever the gently caress they want. Unfortunately for us PC blokes, I think 99% of OEMs will include a legacy support module (you do want all your hardware to work, don't you?) which means that 16-bit OROMs will continue to be executed. Also, a good deal of the speed of Mac booting is the lack of enumeration (unless you reset the SMC because of some goofiness, but even then, that's just one slow boot). At least on a Macbook, Apple knows exactly what every single PCI(e) device will be, it will never change, and they can generally skip any boring enumeration tasks.
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MachinTrucChose posted:Overclocking is a stupid waste of money and shouldn't be done Boy, I sure feel stupid overclocking my 2.33GHz CPU to 3.4GHz for no cost other than a modest, quiet cooler that was maybe $50 Clocked a 2.33 core 2 quad to 3GHz on the stock cooler, too, so that cost a grand total of $0 HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Nov 5, 2010 |
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Intel reference board with a single SSD, integrated GFX...4.3 seconds from power button to start of Linux boot. Boner.
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Cryolite posted:Do you think we'll see that kind of performance with the early UEFI boards coming out in Q1 2011? With FastBoot on, maybe. That was with the legacy support module active as well, so I think it will get faster as more and more legacy stuff goes poof (and Windows 8 supports EFI in all editions).
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movax posted:With FastBoot on, maybe. That was with the legacy support module active as well, so I think it will get faster as more and more legacy stuff goes poof (and Windows 8 supports EFI in all editions). If the Steam Hardware Survey is anything to go by, Windows 7 x64 installs already outnumber x86 by more than 3:1. x86 is rappidly going away as the default OEM install as machines cross 4GB RAM. That and x64 CPUs are now ubiquitous, even on the low-end, including Atoms. Hell, for Thinkspads from Lenovo x64 is the default install now.
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What kind of stuff is going to be a Legacy device? Let's say somebody builds a gaming rig with Sandy Bridge, with no add on cards besides a new graphics card. Will onboard audio, ethernet, etc, be EFI enabled?
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Triikan posted:What kind of stuff is going to be a Legacy device? Let's say somebody builds a gaming rig with Sandy Bridge, with no add on cards besides a new graphics card. Will onboard audio, ethernet, etc, be EFI enabled? By legacy, I mean more offering up BIOS services to the OS. If you remember DOS and its ilk, they used direct BIOS interrupts for nearly everything. Like EnergizerFellow mentioned, even 32-bit Win7 still needs to use int 19h to actually *boot*. Device compatibility shouldn't change, but you can do some really cool poo poo in just the EFI shell environment. There's a full TCP/IP stack available, and vendors like AMI have tools like AMIDiag, which is essentially EFI-memtest86 + other tools, with a shiny GUI!
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I've only really been playing Dawn of War 2 for the last couple of years. I'd like to upgrade my CPU to get some more FPS and have been contemplating the i5 760 because it seems to outperform even an i7 920 in games using Relic's Essence Engine: With a game like Dawn of War 2, that apparently benefits from more L3 cache (see link below), is the i5 760 with it's 8MB L3 cache likely to outperform the i5 2500 which has only 6MB L3 cache? http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,677599/Dawn-of-War-II-Benchmark-review-with-25-CPUs/Reviews/
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LGA-1156 platform CPUs, such as the i5 700-series and i7 800-series, outperform the LGA-1366 i7s because they have higher-performance Turbo Modes (+533Mhz for dual-core operation, vs +133Mhz on the i7 920) and the platform is more efficient overall. I would expect an i5 2500 (3.3Ghz) to be around 25-40% faster than an i5 760, given the significant clockspeed and architectural advantages. Your link seems to show DoWII NOT scaling significantly with cache size, so I'm not sure why they said it did. They didn't benchmark any CPUs that are comparable except for cache size, if you look at the numbers for the E6600 and the E2160 (1/4 the cache), there's around a 10% difference after you scale the clock speed, without accounting for the bus speed, which seems a pretty tiny difference for an app that likes cache and a 75% cache size reduction.
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