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Plasma1010 posted:I am not bashing in any way this type of music that wants to have, if anything, a very distant influence or label of "Black Metal" attached to it, but I am simply not going to accept it as Black Metal. It's black metal influenced definitely, but the in most strict sense (which is what Plasma1010 is trying to say) this isn't black metal at all. That being said, I definitely do enjoy the deafheaven stuff. Horrible name though.
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Plasma1010 posted:Yes I am completely serious. Except for some minor examples, Black Metal tends to pride itself on its disassociation with other Genre's. And why should it not ? Black Metal is very closed minded, which is why an acoustic song named "Bedrooms" is simply not Black Metal. So what if a band played a very traditional form of black metal musically, but they dressed in XXL white t-shirts and flat-brimmed Yankees hats and their lyrics were about praising God? If they don't fit the aesthetic of black metal but they play music that is identical to black metal, what are you supposed to call them? "Black metal, but they're not serious about it?" There's a strong visual style and philosophy associated with black metal but that's only half the equation, and the other half is the music. I don't want to poo poo up the thread with arguments about genres so I'll just say we should agree to disagree.
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bleedbackwards posted:So what if a band played a very traditional form of black metal musically, but they dressed in XXL white t-shirts and flat-brimmed Yankees hats and their lyrics were about praising God? If they don't fit the aesthetic of black metal but they play music that is identical to black metal, what are you supposed to call them? "Black metal, but they're not serious about it?" There's a strong visual style and philosophy associated with black metal but that's only half the equation, and the other half is the music. The thing I don't think you're understanding is that image is a part of black metal. It's quite possibly the most important part of the genre. They put on corpse paint for a reason. Their artwork is black with very little flourish for a reason. The music is lo-fi, dissonant, and simple for a reason. In your example the group you describe absolutely is NOT black metal. In the purest form they are not and they never can be. They don't have all the pieces to be that genre, but even still labeling music is really lame and only should be used in the most generic of ways. I Brake For MILFs fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Oct 17, 2010 |
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Oct 17, 2010 01:22
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lordblytzkrieg posted:...only should be used in the most generic of ways. How about "genres are a means of finding music similar to stuff you already like and not moral imperatives, and do not in any way contain value judgments in and of themselves"?
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Blue Footed Booby posted:How about "genres are a means of finding music similar to stuff you already like and not moral imperatives, and do not in any way contain value judgments in and of themselves"? That's exactly what I was thinking, thank you.
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Oct 17, 2010 01:32
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lordblytzkrieg posted:The thing I don't think you're understanding is that image is a part of black metal. It's quite possibly the most important part of the genre. They put on corpse paint for a reason. Their artwork is black with very little flourish for a reason. The music is lo-fi, dissonant, and simple for a reason. What happens when you listen to a band's music, which sounds absolutely like black metal, but because they don't have any photos or information about the group online or in the liner notes of a record you have no idea what they look like, and because they have no lyric sheets and use a particularly distorted style of screaming, you can't tell what the lyrics are actually saying, only that they sound malevolent? Neither of those things are especially rare in black metal, yet it could be that the band is exactly the one bleedbackwards was just describing. Do they stop being black metal as soon as you see a photo that's got nothing to do with the music? Are they not black metal until you can confirm that they are singing about satan or vikings or whatever dumb poo poo and wearing corpsepaint? Blue Footed Booby posted:How about "genres are a means of finding music similar to stuff you already like and not moral imperatives, and do not in any way contain value judgments in and of themselves"?
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Plasma1010 posted:Yes I am completely serious. Except for some minor examples, Black Metal tends to pride itself on its disassociation with other Genre's. And why should it not ? Black Metal is very closed minded, which is why an acoustic song named "Bedrooms" is simply not Black Metal. And those mellow synth tracks Varg cooked up in his bedroom? The difference is that they weren't called "bedrooms" and he may or may not have been contemplating how much he hates the jews while recording them? Hell, "Tomhet" could mean bedrooms for all I know. You're taking this all a bit too seriously.
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Oct 17, 2010 02:15
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This is one of the more retarded discussions that this thread, or even this forum, has witnessed in a while. Once you get to the stage where you require a certain image or ethos to go with your music, you're basically no better than Simon Cowell. If you require silly outfits and menacing grimaces in order to fully enjoy your music, then I think you seriously need to re-evaluate what it is you're actually looking for in a band.
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Oct 17, 2010 02:16
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Just as power metal bands can get away with writing sorrowful songs, black metal bands can get away with writing non-grim and frostbitten songs.
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lordblytzkrieg posted:The thing I don't think you're understanding is that image is a part of black metal. It's quite possibly the most important part of the genre. They put on corpse paint for a reason. Their artwork is black with very little flourish for a reason. The music is lo-fi, dissonant, and simple for a reason.  Artwork black with very little flourish? No. In fact the gatefold vinyl sleeve is damned beautiful. Black metal? I'd argue so.  Corpse paint and pure grimness? Nah. Black metal? loving hell yes. This really is a silly discussion to be having - I'd agree with The Perfect Element and IRQ. In fact, I'd love to let it slide but just had to post that Radiohead t-shirt pic.  (P.S. IRQ - Tomhet means emptiness, and no doubt refers to the emptiness of Varg's bed even when he was not incarcerated).
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deltawing posted:Yeah that opening scream on Snake Corpse is legendary. Glad more people are hearing about Anthelion, they're awesome. OK so this is from pages and pages ago, but holy poo poo thanks for mentioning these guys because they loving rule. Are there any more symphonic black metal bands in this vein out there? I need more MORE
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Oct 17, 2010 22:01
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So are bands like Walknut and Drudkh not black metal because they don't have simple songs or lo-fi recordings? 
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Oct 18, 2010 03:58
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Kaiho posted:
Who dat?
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Nova Bizzare posted:Who dat? Anaal%2BNathrakh.jpg
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Oct 18, 2010 05:16
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Hey guys we play black metal but we like Radiohead.
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Oct 18, 2010 05:27
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Anaal Nathrakh is a fine example of people who play a type of music that don't represent that particular genre in appearance in any way. Even plenty of respectable black metal acts have ditched the corpse paint and spikes and over-the-top garishness in favor of something else entirely.
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IRQ posted:Anaal%2BNathrakh.jpg They play black grind. It's part of the coffee-core subgenre.
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IRQ posted:Anaal%2BNathrakh.jpg Kaiho's crush on Mick Kenny continues unabated, I see
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aliencowboy posted:They play black grind. It's part of the coffee-core subgenre. I hear they just had a french pressing of their latest house blend.
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EvilMoJoJoJo posted:Kaiho's crush on Mick Kenny continues unabated, I see KennEy 
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EvilMoJoJoJo posted:Kaiho's crush on Mick Kenny continues unabated, I see Can't blame him. Dude's pretty danged good looking.
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Borknagar had an entire acoustic album, dudes. I still consider them black metal.
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Funeral Mist posted:Hey guys we play black metal but we like Radiohead. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWzRyFrBM3s Also, Anaal Nathrakh is the loving best.
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Moist von Lipwig posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWzRyFrBM3s I loving love this song and Sad's version of it is just as amazing. Thank you so much for linking this!
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 Click here to view the full image Black metal. (I don't know, not really but they are funky as hell)
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lordblytzkrieg posted:The thing I don't think you're understanding is that image is a part of black metal. It's quite possibly the most important part of the genre. They put on corpse paint for a reason. Their artwork is black with very little flourish for a reason. The music is lo-fi, dissonant, and simple for a reason.
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Mercrom posted:I wonder how much farther ahead music would be as an artform if people didn't treat it as something other than music and argued about it. I don't care about labels or anything at all. Every band you people have linked have not been only black metal bands. They're all hybrid versions, which does make them black metal, but not black metal in the strictest sense. Black metal with no other forms of influence from outside genres is exactly what I described in my previous posts. It's not an argument and It's not up for discussion. Read (and more importantly comprehend) before you post. edit: Just as a little sidebar; I love Anaal Nathrakh and I love Borknagar (The Archaic Course is one of my top albums ever). This isn't about liking the bands though, this is just purely the semantics of black metal. I Brake For MILFs fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Oct 19, 2010 |
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lordblytzkrieg posted:you people What do you mean "you people"
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The gently caress? By that token there is no other black metal band than perhaps Bathory. Or Venom. Or Celtic Frost, depending on your point of view. Urgh this discussion is doing my head in.
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Kaiho posted:Urgh this discussion is doing my head in. All I simply said was I do not in any way consider Deafheaven to be Black Metal, then a bunch of people threw in "Vikings", "Satan" and "Corpse Paint" from left-field. Whether it would be nice if Genres didn't exist or not, they do, and I am more then certain that many other people who like Black Metal, like myself, would be quick to judge a Band / Project which labels itself Black Metal and doesn't have many qualities which made up the Tradition of the Black Metal genre. What that Tradition is and what makes up Black Metal ... come to your own conclusions. Mine simply say Deafheaven and certain groups which are either influenced slightly, or are attempting to draw on a Fan Base do not apply to how I define the Genre. I don't believe lordblytzkrieg and I want a debate or a discussion, we are just stating our opinions. Anyhow, you guys ever listen to Strid ? They did not many songs, then the Bass / Vocalist killed himself. I'm fond of the "End of Life" demo, which is one song ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNa6t0SnLLc ... And the Strid EP from 1994 is kind of dreary. Plasma1010 fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Oct 20, 2010 |
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Countdown to a "black metal" (in the non-traditional vein discussed above) artist appearing in publicity photos with those retarded stripy lenseless plastic hipster shades.
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aliencowboy posted:My passing indifference towards Absu has transformed into a near obsession since I listened to Tara for the first time last week. What an album. this is a little late, but yesssssssssssss. That album is amazing. When I first heard it, I thought it was a drum machine because no human could do that. And, you know, the other components are awesome.
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thepitgoddess posted:this is a little late, but yesssssssssssss. That album is amazing. When I first heard it, I thought it was a drum machine because no human could do that. The other components are indeed awesome - I often think that the efforts of the guitarists get a bit overlooked in Absu. Some of the riffwork on that record is just incredible - especially 'She Cried the Quiet Lake'. Man, I loving love that song.
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catbread.jpg posted:
What band is this?
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Qu Appelle posted:What band is this? Klabautamann. You would probably like them a lot - folky/proggy black metal, think newer enslaved and borknagar.
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thepitgoddess posted:this is a little late, but yesssssssssssss. That album is amazing. When I first heard it, I thought it was a drum machine because no human could do that. Amusingly enough, the drumming and the drum sound is what I can't stand about Absu. I get that Proscriptor is the band leader and so he gets to decide that his drums gets pushed all the way up front in the mix because he's really good at drumming at fast but it gets pretty obnoxious.
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Scrambles posted:Klabautamann. You would probably like them a lot - folky/proggy black metal, think newer enslaved and borknagar. Sweet, thank you. And I'll go check them out! Musically I'm in a rut, but that's partially my fault for not paying attention to new releases.
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Qu Appelle posted:Sweet, thank you. And I'll go check them out! Musically I'm in a rut, but that's partially my fault for not paying attention to new releases. For you and anyone else in the mood for folk/black metal, it would be a shame if you didn't hear Nokturnal Mortum's latest release Голос Сталі (The Voice of Steel). It's fantastic and currently has a 98% average on Metal-Archives. Easily one of the best of [barely] 2009 for me. Here's the title track http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Bm_cNkt1g Optimum Gulps fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Oct 21, 2010 |
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thepitgoddess posted:this is a little late, but yesssssssssssss. That album is amazing. When I first heard it, I thought it was a drum machine because no human could do that. I wish I could see Absu live. I have to make do with this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jBuZJM7stc&feature=relatedmaniac Blows my mind every time.
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keratas posted:I wish I could see Absu live. I have to make do with this. I saw them live last year and it was one of the most incredible metal shows I've been to in a long time. Tiny venue, great crowd, awesome atmosphere, absolutely stunning musicianship all around... Proscriptor really gives every ounce of himself when he performs, to drum and sing as he does.
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