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What happens if I have a set of bookmarks and import another set of bookmarks? Do they just merge?
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Oct 17, 2010 14:44
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ufarn posted:What happens if I have a set of bookmarks and import another set of bookmarks? Do they just merge? Yes, they merge.
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Oct 17, 2010 22:13
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http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/dtbcz/hey_reddit_join_the_opera_browser_team_for_an Opera is currently having a Q&A session on Reddit. If something has been pissing you off, vent now and let the engineers hear it! They want to compete with the bullshit IE 9 Q&A session so hopefully we'll get some real feedback instead of sugar coated marketing.
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Oct 19, 2010 15:49
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hobolooter posted:http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/dtbcz/hey_reddit_join_the_opera_browser_team_for_an god trying to read reddit just makes my brain hurt so much. hopefully someone can summarize...
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Oct 20, 2010 02:14
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thrawn86 posted:god trying to read reddit just makes my brain hurt so much. hopefully someone can summarize... Opera techs ask the public to ask them questions. Megathread ensues. Trees are hard, let's go shopping.
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Oct 20, 2010 06:43
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Opera 11 has extensions? Well thank God, now I can add tea and egg timers and change all instances of the word 'cookies' to 'delicious delicacies' as He intended. Seriously, though, if it made it easier to add, say, a menu without hacking up a bunch of INI files, I'm OK with it.
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Oct 20, 2010 08:03
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Ignore me!
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Oct 20, 2010 08:21
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Opera 11 is out! http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/10/21/an-important-piece-of-the-puzzle (Alpha, of course)
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Oct 21, 2010 13:20
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I'm not sure why they left out AdBlock and added useless poo poo like reddit and Facebook extensions to their gallery for the release but whatever.
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Oct 21, 2010 14:16
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lebubu posted:I'm not sure why they left out AdBlock and added useless poo poo like reddit and Facebook extensions to their gallery for the release but whatever. If Opera shipped with an active adblock by default, this would be completely led ad absurdum and result in them losing their contracts and cash-flow.
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Oct 21, 2010 16:36
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This is pretty nice. You don't even have to restart the browser to install extensions. Currently using mousetrail and the youtube one. The noscript plugin is a quick port of an existing userjs to the extensions API and people seem to have some troubles with it according to the comments. I had a bit of a bumpy install with it myself. The rest of the list doesn't really interest me but here's hoping that good things are coming. Also I haven't seen any real bugs/issues yet. The 10.7 builds this was based upon were stable, so from the looks of it this one is probably pretty "safe" for use too, as much as an alpha ever is.
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Oct 21, 2010 17:42
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I haven't downloaded this yet, so for anyone trying it out, can you comment on stability?
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Oct 22, 2010 17:12
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I've installed it, and haven't noticed anything odd, and hadn't had any crashes so far (though of course your results may vary). I've put on a few basic extensions, although there's nothing very sophisticated out just yet, at least that I've found.
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Oct 22, 2010 17:36
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I haven't had any issues at all. It's built on the last 10.7 builds that were entirely stable, and I guess adding the extension support didn't particularly break everything. [edit] There are more extensions today, too. 27 now.
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Oct 22, 2010 19:18
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I did a completely clean install, wiping out my user data and using Opera Link for keeping bookmarks, and the v11 alpha seems noticeably quicker, although that may be New Car syndrome and/or due to my old crufty install going away. No crashes so far, which is better than the v10.70 series did. I'm even using the recent Flash beta and everything is stable. Things are still a little quirky in places but no outright crashes. The one thing that I've noticed missing is being able to change the "plug-ins on demand" setting on a site-by-site basis, like nearly everything else. This would be really helpful.
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Oct 22, 2010 20:26
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Yeah I'm hoping they come around to that too. It'd be nice to opt-in youtube. Of course right after I posted that I've had no issues I crashed twice while mucking around youtube. Maybe it has something to do with whatever extensions I'm running.
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Oct 22, 2010 20:37
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It would not surprise me at all if the "load plug-ins only on demand" function is what's actually increasing stability, just by preventing all those badly-written Flash ads from loading.
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Oct 22, 2010 21:11
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Can someone tell me if the mouse navigation buttons have been fixed on Windows yet? They've been broken for the past few 10.70 releases, which has been preventing me from upgrading on Windows.
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Oct 23, 2010 08:38
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Cosmopolitan posted:Can someone tell me if the mouse navigation buttons have been fixed on Windows yet? They've been broken for the past few 10.70 releases, which has been preventing me from upgrading on Windows. Yeah, they're still broken. I've just turned on single-key shortcuts in the meanwhile and am using "z". Heresiarch fucked around with this message at 11:53 on Oct 23, 2010 |
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Oct 23, 2010 08:40
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When I tried the 10.70 betas they broke the mouse four and five buttons for back/forward history. Has the 11 alpha fixed that? vv you mean I should actually read what's written above? preposterous. Riso fucked around with this message at 12:32 on Oct 23, 2010 |
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Oct 23, 2010 11:10
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Riso posted:When I tried the 10.70 betas they broke the mouse four and five buttons for back/forward history. That's the same question that was just asked and I just answered.
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Oct 23, 2010 11:53
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The current extension API doesn't look that exciting. It really does not expose anything that could not have been done with User JS. I guess installing extensions is a bit easier than installing use JS, but that's pretty much it.
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Oct 23, 2010 14:02
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Wheany posted:The current extension API doesn't look that exciting. It really does not expose anything that could not have been done with User JS. I guess installing extensions is a bit easier than installing use JS, but that's pretty much it. Well hopefully they'll release the updates to the API shortly so we can get some kickass extensions.
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Oct 23, 2010 14:46
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Opera 11 is a step backwards in performance for me. Trying to start it with a session of 94 tabs makes it outright crash reliably and repeatedly, though luckily loading the session later manually still works. It also thrashes the disk a lot more during normal operation, indicating some cache oddities.
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Oct 25, 2010 09:36
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Mithaldu posted:Opera 11 is a step backwards in performance for me. Trying to start it with a session of 94 tabs makes it outright crash reliably and repeatedly, though luckily loading the session later manually still works. I think you're not a typical use case. This calls for an entirely different UI approach.
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Oct 25, 2010 22:10
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Using the windows panel instead of the tab bar handles that use case quite well, on the UI end. It's not too uncommon for me to have ~50 open and I haven't had Mithaldu's problem, but 50 is still a lot less than 94.
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Oct 25, 2010 22:14
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I tend to open multiple windows with multiple tabs in each, particularly if I'm doing forum surfing. Perhaps tab grouping would be better overall, I don't know.
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Oct 25, 2010 22:38
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Lakitu7 posted:Using the windows panel instead of the tab bar handles that use case quite well, on the UI end. It's not too uncommon for me to have ~50 open and I haven't had Mithaldu's problem, but 50 is still a lot less than 94. I usually have 50 or so open between about 3 windows, and opera sometimes takes almost a full minute to pop up the "continue from last time" dialog.
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Oct 25, 2010 23:14
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thrawn86 posted:I usually have 50 or so open between about 3 windows, and opera sometimes takes almost a full minute to pop up the "continue from last time" dialog. Have you tried seeing how long other browsers take? This is an interesting benchmark.
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Oct 26, 2010 01:51
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bartkusa posted:I think you're not a typical use case. Good job completely missing my point. With 10.70 this worked perfectly, with up to 150 tabs used regularly. Things started up promptly and quickly, without crashes and there was little cache thrashing. Also, no, Opera is actually the only browser to make this kind of UI interaction feasible once you tweak two tiny things.
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Oct 26, 2010 08:55
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Mithaldu posted:... once you tweak two tiny things. Oh? Do tell! 
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Oct 26, 2010 13:02
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Heresiarch posted:Have you tried seeing how long other browsers take? This is an interesting benchmark. yeah. chrome and firefox are very snappy on startup, I'm jealous. I don't really have any performance problems with opera ONCE its loaded, but good lord. this is on a couple different systems (my laptop as well). will just sit there with no process % going on, and then after a while it finally loads.
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Oct 26, 2010 14:50
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Tikki posted:Oh? Do tell! First: Find a theme that adds as little crap around the tab buttons themselves as possible. I used a minimalist theme and reduced them to mere black lines with no margins, so the favicons fit right between them. This maximizes the amount of recognizable favicons you can have in your tabs. Second: Set the browsing options to "cycle without showing list" and then set this to 1 : opera:config#UserPrefs|AlternativePageCycleMode This allows you to right-click and scroll left/right through your tabs by scrolling up/down with your mouse. This is ridiculously fast.
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Oct 26, 2010 18:53
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Mithaldu posted:First: Find a theme that adds as little crap around the tab buttons themselves as possible. I used a minimalist theme and reduced them to mere black lines with no margins, so the favicons fit right between them. Can you post a screenshot of your setup? I'm always looking for space efficient setups for my netbook.
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Oct 26, 2010 18:59
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Startacus posted:Can you post a screenshot of your setup? I'm always looking for space efficient setups for my netbook. Sure:  Click here for the full 1680x1050 image.
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As someone who rarely has more than 10-15 tabs open at a time, and that's only during complicated programming sessions, I've always wondered the use case that leads to 150 tabs open at once. What are you doing where that's a more efficient way to browse than just using bookmarks or Google?
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Oct 26, 2010 22:07
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ColdPie posted:As someone who rarely has more than 10-15 tabs open at a time, and that's only during complicated programming sessions, I've always wondered the use case that leads to 150 tabs open at once. What are you doing where that's a more efficient way to browse than just using bookmarks or Google? Most important part: Once a tab has some age, you can find it by either recognizing the favicon really quickly (i can find the MSPA one no matter where it is by just glancing over the bar) or by muscle memory for the really old ones. Once you're at that point, just plain opening the tab is incredibly faster than opening a new one, typing the name and loading it. And well, it also serves as a sort of reminder about a ton of poo poo i still want to read. If i were to put it in my bookmarks i'd never get around to it, but this way i stumble across them when scrolling along and so the right time to read something i marked happens on its own. It also helps that opera *never* loses any tabs. I've got tabs that are years old and which i visit two or three times a week. Then, i have multiple projects i'm coding on at any time. So for each project i might have a bunch of working sites, documentation, module lists, research, statistics and whatever open. Lastly: It's more effort when deciding what to do with a tab when i'm done with it. It reduces it from three choices, of: close, leave open, bookmark; to two choices of: close, leave open. This speeds up the decision process and saves a bit of time as well. In short: 
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One of these days, I'm going to experiment with using the Windows menu on the F4 sidebar instead of the tabs toolbar, just to see if I can get used to it.ColdPie posted:As someone who rarely has more than 10-15 tabs open at a time, and that's only during complicated programming sessions, I've always wondered the use case that leads to 150 tabs open at once. What are you doing where that's a more efficient way to browse than just using bookmarks or Google? I haven't reached 150 tabs, but the times that I use tabs the most is when I'm browsing forums. Say Window 1 is SA. I open a tab per forum and then from there, open a tab per thread I want to look at. When I'm all done opening the threads up, I close the tab for the forum and repeat. Most of the time, I end up reading the threads I open before I start with another forum. Window 2 could be the same thing but an entirely different site. I don't know if there is a more efficient way to do this but I tend not to like opening one thread, reading it and then backing up to the root, although the rewind button could make that easier.
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I do the windows-panel in the f4-panels, left side, thing. Favicons just aren't sufficiently differentiable for me to do Mithaldu's setup: it's too common to have like 10 wikipedia tabs open. But basically the use case is what you guys described: tabs are "soft-bookmarks" that function as a to-do/to-read list, or documentation related to something on a to-do list. I have tabs at the top that are pretty permanent: one for the forums, one for the weather forecast, one for facebook, etc., but others are just things like "recipe I want to try" or "band I want to listen to" or "documentation for thing I'm coding" or "page for an event next month that I want to attend". Bookmarks are just too out-of-the-way and don't function as reminders for me to do/read things associated with each tab. This functions more as a queue.
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So is Opera not going to work any further on 10.70 and putting all of their effors on 11? Or are they still going to release a release build of 10.70?
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