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It's not in here. Yes, it is. Hey, I'm not an idiot. Did I say you were an idiot? Well wouldn't I have to be?
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I'm sorry! I guess I just wasn't ready for the responsibilities of a pretend marriage.
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Nov 5, 2010 21:42
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Hello! I'm sorry, I'm just fighting with my wife.
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Nov 5, 2010 21:48
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Wow, they just showed the parking garage one and at the end he does his stand up bit where he says they should name the parking garage levels something like "You mother's a whore!" I'm always surprised when I hear lines like that, I forget what they got away with. (not that whore is some unairable word, but it just doesn't seem very Seinfeld)
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Nov 6, 2010 00:32
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The pig says "my wife is a slut"?!
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Nov 6, 2010 00:35
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Now that's a complaint!
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Nov 6, 2010 00:46
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Now that's a complaint.
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Nov 6, 2010 00:47
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So you got violated by two people while you were under the gas. So what? You're single.
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Nov 6, 2010 01:19
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stratdax posted:This highlights my problem with Jerry Seinfeld's humour. Doesn't matter what topic, Jerry thinks it's stupid. Dancing is a fun thing to do. In that book of his, he makes fun of people who work out, because they're working out so they can be in shape for the next workout. Uh no... they're working out so they can stay in shape. I personally find Jerry Seinfeld hilarious, but I know what you mean. Your complaint reminds me of something Douglas Adams wrote: Douglas Adams posted:There’s always a moment when you start to fall out of love, whether it’s with a person or an idea or a cause, even if it’s one you only narrate to yourself years after the event: a tiny thing, a wrong word, a false note, which means that things can never be quite the same again. For me it was hearing a stand-up comedian make the following observation. “These scientists eh? They’re so stupid! You know those black box flight recorders they put on aeroplanes? And you know they’re meant to be indestructible? It’s always the thing that doesn’t get smashed? So why don’t they make the planes out of the same stuff?” The audience roared with laughter at how stupid scientists were, how they couldn’t think their way out of a paper bag, but I sat feeling uncomfortable. Was I just being pedantic to feel that the joke didn’t really work because flight recorders are made out titanium and that if you made planes out of titanium rather than aluminium they’d be far too heavy to get off the ground in the first place?
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Nov 6, 2010 02:15
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Popcorn posted:I personally find Jerry Seinfeld hilarious, but I know what you mean. Your complaint reminds me of something Douglas Adams wrote: I think Jerry acknowledges that most of his comedy is the perspective of a simple layman who is confused and frustrated at random poo poo, most of which is easily explained. We saw this sometimes when Kramer would pitch material. "Whats the deal with packing peanuts? Why do we need so many, and why... are they... so SMALL?" "So where's the punchline?" "It's all in the delivery." The function of packing peanuts is obvious, but an audience can still laugh at them, because everyone in that audience has been annoyed by them.
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Supreme Allah posted:I think Jerry acknowledges that most of his comedy is the perspective of a simple layman who is confused and frustrated at random poo poo, most of which is easily explained. We saw this sometimes when Kramer would pitch material. I like to think that most Seinfeld humor went a bit farther than that, however. It never seemed like it was just "don't think too hard about it" humor. In fact it seemed quite the opposite, it was more "what happens if you think about this too hard"? I mean, most of the situations in the show were about this group of wretched characters obsessing about things that normal people would just... dismiss. Edit: I'm talking just about the show; Jerry's stand-up had a shitload of "don't think about it too hard" humor, and you can really tell that it was Larry's influence that shaped the show to be something different from that.
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Nov 6, 2010 04:08
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OctoberBlues posted:Wow, they just showed the parking garage one and at the end he does his stand up bit where he says they should name the parking garage levels something like "You mother's a whore!" I'm always surprised when I hear lines like that, I forget what they got away with. (not that whore is some unairable word, but it just doesn't seem very Seinfeld) I saw that episode on TBS tonight too, and they edited out the best gag in the whole episode. When Kramer it trying to start the car, he gets out and looks back at a non-existent horizon for a second, then gets back in the car. In the edit, they ended the episode as he's turning over the engine the first time. Unless that was actually where the episode ended and I'm just remembering that from a deleted scene. I could have swore that scene was longer in the DVD version though.
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Nov 6, 2010 07:45
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You know, I've been issued a public urination pass by the city because of my condition. Unfortunately, my little brother ran out of the house with it this morning. Him and his friends are probably peeing all over the place.
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Nov 6, 2010 08:18
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Going back to what was said on the last page-- do you think the stand-up bits are meant to be Character Jerry doing material on what's happening in his life in the show or just Real Jerry doing topical material that mostly points to what's going on in the show? I've watched the show for most of my life, but I've never really thought about that until I was wading through the show for the second time since I got the collection last Christmas. It kinda blew my mind to think it was the former. I always just assumed it was Real Jerry's existing material about which guided him and Larry David towards writing the episode. It doesn't matter, of course, it's a sitcom and all and doesn't require any brain busting, but I thought it was interesting to consider.
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Nov 6, 2010 08:24
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It's 100% supposed to be TV Jerry. The original idea behind the pilot was showing how a comedian gets his material. \/\/\/ also in "The Bris" at the end his finger is in a bandage from when the mohel massacred his boy.
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Nov 6, 2010 08:31
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It's character Jerry. In one episode he gets heckled by a guy involved in the plot. I think it's the one where he accidentally switches his drink with Elaine's boyfriend causing him to fall off the wagon. Or is it on the wagon.
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Nov 6, 2010 08:32
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Kevyn posted:It's character Jerry. In one episode he gets heckled by a guy involved in the plot. I think it's the one where he accidentally switches his drink with Elaine's boyfriend causing him to fall off the wagon. Or is it on the wagon. You go on the wagon, then you fall off the wagon. And yeah it's David Naughton playing Elaine's recovering alcoholic boyfriend, and Jerry accidentally sends him falling off the wagon. Note: This is the only time they ever broke into a Jerry standup scene and that's only because Larry David was told by NBC execs that they felt the ending was "too dark" and they wanted this shot to make sure there was a happy ending, as you see Naughton's character is now clearly back on the wagon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_iKwXWaYF8
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Nov 6, 2010 08:40
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I always found it weird when bumper-Seinfeld referenced events in sitcom-Seinfeld's life.
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Kevyn posted:It's character Jerry. In one episode he gets heckled by a guy involved in the plot. I think it's the one where he accidentally switches his drink with Elaine's boyfriend causing him to fall off the wagon. Or is it on the wagon. I remembered this after I posted. Weird that I just never thought about it til this year.
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Nov 6, 2010 08:58
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That's what's so vexing.
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Nov 6, 2010 09:04
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"Where have seinfeld gone"
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Soul Glo posted:Going back to what was said on the last page-- do you think the stand-up bits are meant to be Character Jerry doing material on what's happening in his life in the show or just Real Jerry doing topical material that mostly points to what's going on in the show? I've watched the show for most of my life, but I've never really thought about that until I was wading through the show for the second time since I got the collection last Christmas. Yeah, looking at it now it's definitely supposed to be the former, but my young self didn't give it a second thought and thought it was the latter.
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Nov 6, 2010 21:16
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Popcorn posted:I personally find Jerry Seinfeld hilarious, but I know what you mean. Your complaint reminds me of something Douglas Adams wrote: I had the same experience Adams had when I first heard this Carlos Mencia joke: "My car's passenger-side mirror says 'Objects closer than they appear'. WHY DON'T THEY JUST REPLACE IT WITH A NORMAL MIRROR THEN, DUMBAAAAAAAS." I feel awful for bringing up Mencia in the Seinfeld thread 
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So you're saying that you liked Mencia before that?
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Kramer on Jerry going out with a gymnast: "Think of the flexibility. Mmmmm...that sex'll melt your face"
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safety dan posted:So you're saying that you liked Mencia before that? Oh god no, I was just relating his experience of hearing an observational joke whose punchline relies on ignorance of how things work. Not so much the "falling out of love" part. Guess I shouldn't have brought it up, whoops. I just hate it when entertainers don't do their homework.
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HateTheInternet posted:Oh god no, I was just relating his experience of hearing an observational joke whose punchline relies on ignorance of how things work. Not so much the "falling out of love" part. Guess I shouldn't have brought it up, whoops. I'd think most comedians (not named mencia or cook) actually put way more thought into their jokes than anyone else would, and in most of those cases probably know what they're saying isn't exactly right but as long as it gets laughs they'll tell it. Sienfeld himself was(is?) extremely meticulous with the way he phrased jokes and his timing. A lot of people now see how Larry David's mind influenced Seinfeld thanks to Curb, but I don't think people should underestimate Seinfeld's contribution to what made the 'voice' of the show so memorable.
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The one joke of his that always really bugs me due to it's ignorance is the one about how orchestras don't really need a conductor. They definitely do need a conductor, so much that the joke always comes off as genuinely ignorant to me as opposed to intentionally ignorant for the sake of humor, like the black box joke. Not that I don't still find it extremely funny the way he mimes the nervous cello player.
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Relayer posted:The one joke of his that always really bugs me due to it's ignorance is the one about how orchestras don't really need a conductor. They definitely do need a conductor, so much that the joke always comes off as genuinely ignorant to me as opposed to intentionally ignorant for the sake of humor, like the black box joke. Well that one is kind of true though. Most orchestras could play the standard repetoire in their sleep, and only need someone to say 'go.' The bit is funny to me not as 'conductors are useless' but as 'all that arm waving up there ain't as important as he things it is.' Bobfromsales fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Nov 7, 2010 |
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Nov 7, 2010 00:45
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It's also not based in ignorance. Neither was the black box joke. They're both funny because of the style and train of thought that formed those conclusions.
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Nov 7, 2010 00:57
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Bobfromsales posted:I'd think most comedians (not named mencia or cook) actually put way more thought into their jokes than anyone else would, and in most of those cases probably know what they're saying isn't exactly right but as long as it gets laughs they'll tell it. Case in point: "The Trip", where he loses the paper with the right phrasing of the joke and gets royally hosed.
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Relayer posted:The one joke of his that always really bugs me due to it's ignorance is the one about how orchestras don't really need a conductor. They definitely do need a conductor, so much that the joke always comes off as genuinely ignorant to me as opposed to intentionally ignorant for the sake of humor, like the black box joke. No, you're totally right, that joke always stands out to me as terribly ignorant.
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Nov 7, 2010 02:22
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coolhockey posted:No, you're totally right, that joke always stands out to me as terribly ignorant. I googled it after making this post, but I really have to guess most people don't really know.
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Nov 7, 2010 02:39
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I personally enjoy the extremely dated "has this ever happened to YOU?" material. I recall one bit about being asked by the operator to insert more money while using a pay phone.
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Nov 7, 2010 02:45
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coolhockey posted:No, you're totally right, that joke always stands out to me as terribly ignorant. I am an orchestral musician and I think it's funny  Again, it's the specific of how he phrases it. He never says "CONDUCTERS ARE SO STUPID AMIRIGHT??" he's just incredulous. Here's the actual quote: Jerry Seinfeld posted:I tell ya, I never really understood the importance of the conductor. I mean bobservo posted:I personally enjoy the extremely dated "has this ever happened to YOU?" material. I recall one bit about being asked by the operator to insert more money while using a pay phone. I love any time phone's or answering machines came up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBpsrlAUJLQ&feature=related Bobfromsales fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Nov 7, 2010 |
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Bobfromsales posted:Well that one is kind of true though. Most orchestras could play the standard repetoire in their sleep, and only need someone to say 'go.' No, not really.
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I've played in an orchestra, but not a lot. Anyway, the conductor is most important during rehearsal, at least in my point of view. During the actual performance he or she is little more than a sort of guide. I generally looked at the conductor only in between songs, or glances while I wasn't playing. But again, this was a high school orchestra so how good could it have been?
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Nov 7, 2010 03:29
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Bobfromsales posted:I love any time phone's or answering machines came up I'm sure if Seinfeld were made 20 years later they'd be obsessing over Facebook etiquette.
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Nov 7, 2010 10:02
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bobservo posted:I'm sure if Seinfeld were made 20 years later they'd be obsessing over Facebook etiquette. Well, George did make (and subsequently lose) millions from an iPhone app. And Jerry has a healthy hatred for "the Blackberry people."
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OldSenileGuy posted:Well, George did make (and subsequently lose) millions from an iPhone app. And Jerry has a healthy hatred for "the Blackberry people." When I was watching that season of Curb and got to the last few episodes, the iPhone references gave me such an awkward anachronistic feeling. I guess that's expected when we haven't been able to see the characters evolve in the interim, and Seinfeld wasn't a show that usually had the latest technology of the day play a major role in the plot of an episode. (But I could be forgetting a couple.) I would kill for George's app though, no lie. Here's something we can all argue about : Are the new Seinfeld scenes in Curb to be considered part of Seinfeld canon?
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