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Rei_ posted:I want to live in your fanfic universe where every story has a happy ending, ChibiSoma Annie stomps out of the room sobbing, and after a conversation with Kat or one of the teachers, she's cheered up, and comes back into the room to apologize to Reynardine. He's sitting on her bed with his stuffing hanging out a torn stitch, sobbing and groaning in pain. He holds up a lighter. "I thought we were friends, Annie." Then he flicks the lighter and presses the flame to the cotton hanging out his side. Annie beats at him to try to put him out, but it's too late. The eyes of the fox doll melt, destroying Reynardine's spirit, and the burning plastic of his eyes burns Annie's hands, sticking to them like napalm. Her fingers are so damaged they have to be amputated. She can't even hold her blinker stone anymore. There. Now no matter what happens, you can think to yourself, "oh man, at least it's not as bad as that".
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Nov 29, 2010 10:45
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The implications are a bit weirder than just giving life to Annie. I mean you'd imagine if you take life from someone, they die. Sure. Why wouldn't someone come to claim their soul though? It's not her life that Renard seems to be implying she took, but something much closer to her spiritual essence itself. Which would certainly put a different light on people treating her like Surma in the story. It's one thing for creepy people to treat you like your mother because you look like her, and it's another when they treat you like your mother because you sort of ate her soul.
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Nov 29, 2010 10:53
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Wong Dongson posted:It's one thing for creepy people to treat you like your mother because you look like her, and it's another when they treat you like your mother because you sort of ate her soul. Eglamore is still a creepy gently caress, regardless.
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Nov 29, 2010 11:15
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No, Antimony, you are the demons.
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Nov 29, 2010 11:19
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Calling it now, the "fire" was her literal soul. Annie is a sort of ... reincarnation of her mother. Also it was a court experiment, since Surma was too great a medium to lose. I suspect she was already gravely ill before Annie was born.
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Nov 29, 2010 11:24
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Saoshyant posted:Eglamore is still a creepy gently caress, regardless. Oh totally. It's just a very different type of creepy. To the first you say "Cut the poo poo, I'm not my mother". To the second you say "Cut the poo poo....oh God am I my mother?". And the answer is no, but it's still a mind job. Especially for a little girl. quote:Calling it now, the "fire" was her literal soul. Nothing to call, that is literally what Renard just said. The reason nobody came to claim her soul is because there was nothing to claim. Annie took it all for herself. It's why she had to do the job herself. She was the one with the claim on it. Wong Dongson fucked around with this message at 11:27 on Nov 29, 2010 |
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Nov 29, 2010 11:24
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Welp, Renard with the nuclear option. Can't see them being friends after this one.
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Nov 29, 2010 11:28
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Reminder: http://www.formspring.me/gunnerkrigg/q/738382970 Tom posted:Is Surma's mother still alive?
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Nov 29, 2010 11:43
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It's funny, the first thing I thought of after the whole revelation was when Annie first met Coyote. Coyote's nose is also no liar. 
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Nov 29, 2010 11:50
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Oh no, feelings are being hurt, things are being said! 
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Nov 29, 2010 12:01
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This is also going to ruin Annie's trust in any of the adults/older characters who knew her mother since Reynardine specifies that everyone knew.
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Nov 29, 2010 13:10
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Well, this gives a whole new perspective on why Anthony Carver isn't around...quote:Welp, Renard with the nuclear option. Can't see them being friends after this one. Maybe if Smitty was here.... 
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Nov 29, 2010 13:36
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Ho-lee poo poo... ... ...so where, exactly, does the story go from here? This is burn-the-fields-and-salt-the-earth-so-that-no-living-thing-may-grow-asunder bad.
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Nov 29, 2010 14:12
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Reynardine was provoked into telling Annie a truth that she was not prepared to learn. It's a pretty foolish thing to do, but it's not exactly a permanent friendship-breaker. Probably.
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Nov 29, 2010 14:23
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Well gently caress.
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Nov 29, 2010 14:34
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Well this is turning into Shortland Street.
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Nov 29, 2010 15:32
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KnightLight posted:Reynardine was provoked into telling Annie a truth that she was not prepared to learn. It's a pretty foolish thing to do, but it's not exactly a permanent friendship-breaker. I'm not sure about that. "You know when you had to lead your mother to the afterlife? Yeah, yeah, the worst moment of your life. That was entirely your fault because you were born to devour your mother. And everyone here knew, so you can't trust any of their sentiments as genuine, since you won't know if they're for Surma's murderer, her child, or Surma herself." That seems to be a point of no return. I would not be surprised if Annie is ripping the doll apart before this is over.
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Nov 29, 2010 15:59
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This doesn't have anything to do with the current revelations, but I've realized whenever I read Ysengrin's lines, I automatically hear them in Keith David's voice (Goliath from Gargoyles/a million other things).
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Nov 29, 2010 16:16
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Madrox posted:This doesn't have anything to do with the current revelations, but I've realized whenever I read Ysengrin's lines, I automatically hear them in Keith David's voice (Goliath from Gargoyles/a million other things). I hear Coyote as something akin to Mark Hamill's Joker. Renard as Alan Rickman.
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Nov 29, 2010 16:23
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http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=45 Suddenly this page makes an infinite more amount of sense. "And this means.. she is gone. My poor Surma." That is so remarkably tragic ;___; It's kind of no wonder everyone kept mistaking Annie for her mother, because if they mistook otherwise, it would kind of mean that she is dead and that's a terrible fact to accept. Christ.
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Nov 29, 2010 16:32
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And now we know the meaning behind Reynard's line "and this means... she is gone". He knew what would/had happened between Annie and her mother. He knew that Annie being at the school meant that Surma was dead. e;fb ^^^
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Nov 29, 2010 16:35
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Oneiros posted:And now we know the meaning behind Reynard's line "and this means... she is gone". He knew what would/had happened between Annie and her mother. He knew that Annie being at the school meant that Surma was dead. Well, there were hints all over the place. E.g. http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=110 http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=416 And I guess this is why Reynardine hates Anthony so much - he believes Anthony left because he blamed Antimony for Surma's death.
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Nov 29, 2010 17:04
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Fangz posted:Well, there were hints all over the place. E.g. Check out the comment there. "A knife is a good gift. Handy and practical." Hmm 
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Nov 29, 2010 17:07
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 Gravitas Shortfall posted:Welp, Renard with the nuclear option. Can't see them being friends after this one. Yeah this is going to pretty much change their relationship.
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Nov 29, 2010 17:45
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And THAT's why you shouldn't cheat off your friend's homework!
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Nov 29, 2010 18:45
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Well, Reynard wins the "who can be a bigger rear end in a top hat" contest. Can't wait to see Wednesday's comic.
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Nov 29, 2010 19:09
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Anyone else picking up on the implication that Anthony deliberately did it as the only way he could think of to save some part of his wife? Or no, because logically Surma would have picked up on what was happening. Ah, got it. It wasn't her illness, Annie had some kind of magical birth defect and Surma deliberately gave the kid her soul. This had the side effect of gradually draining away her will and passion to live, causing Annie to be raised by an increasingly robotic mother and an absent father just as her emotions are peaking. Doesn't help that the first time she was in full possession of her emotional faculties was directly after she escorted her mother to the afterlife, which may in itself have been a hallucination/metaphor for the last bit of Surma becoming Annie. Holy crap this is depressing to think about. Also, this is pretty standard "parent can't stand child who killed other parent" times one million because she's the literal reincarnation of said dead parent. Maybe part of the reason he stays away is because it wouldn't be good for either of them? He can't be a father to her when everything about her down to the soul screams of his dead wife. In his own twisted good way, he's leaving her with people who can be friends and mentors to her naturally. Edit: This also explains the make up wearing, the old-soul in new-body vibe she gives off half the time, the fact that she's obviously unused to her own emotions...holy poo poo this is brilliant. Benagain fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Nov 29, 2010 |
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Nov 29, 2010 19:10
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Fangz posted:http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=416 I'm unclear on how that second link is foreshadowing, though, I still take it the same way: the fact that Annie is transferring in means that Surma has finally died. I guess it'd make it more likely that Kat would like her, but genetics tend to lend to that anyways.
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Nov 29, 2010 19:12
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It went from "you shouldn't copy people's homework" to "you're the reason your mom died and had no soul" pretty fast. Bet that'll teach her to fly straight and study harder. No really, this is turning into some childhood trauma real quick. 
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Nov 29, 2010 19:15
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The reason they probably wanted Renard away from Annie despite him being under her control was probably because of this. He literally cannot lie to her and they figured this might happen eventually.
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Nov 29, 2010 19:20
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How does Rey know this? Wasn't he locked up in the court before and during Surma's sickness?
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Nov 29, 2010 19:23
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The 19th Person posted:How does Rey know this? Wasn't he locked up in the court before and during Surma's sickness? I think it's being implied, especially from when Reynardine first met Annie and knew that Surma was dead, that this is some sort of hereditary thing, and Surma did the same thing to her mother (and so on).
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Nov 29, 2010 19:36
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DontMockMySmock posted:I think it's being implied, especially from when Reynardine first met Annie and knew that Surma was dead, that this is some sort of hereditary thing, and Surma did the same thing to her mother (and so on).
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Nov 29, 2010 19:41
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I love the fact that the panels get progressively more warped as everyone breaks down.
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Nov 29, 2010 19:43
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So Reynardine initially tried to kill Annie because he was pissed that she killed Surma right? And he gave up on it because she reminded him too much of her mother? Let's throw out random speculation. Annie comes from a line of pheonixes that turned into people. Annie is going to fail double physics. Jack is never going to have any luck with Annie ever. Zimmy will find out about Annie's situation and totally laugh at what a wuss she's being. Kat won't know where her homework is on Wednesday.
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Nov 29, 2010 20:24
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Soylentbits posted:So Reynardine initially tried to kill Annie because he was pissed that she killed Surma right? And he gave up on it because she reminded him too much of her mother? Annie freaks the gently caress out, leaves the Court, starts a motorcycle gang with Jack
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Nov 29, 2010 21:02
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The implications of this soul-stealing being hereditary are that Mr. Carver agreed to get her pregnant anyways, and Surma went through with it... why? Was there some particular need for Annie?
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Nov 29, 2010 21:40
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Dude wore a rubber but didn't put it on right. Gunnerkrigg Court the webcomic is about the necessity of better sex education in our public schools and remote techno wizard colleges.
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Nov 29, 2010 21:42
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Fecha posted:The implications of this soul-stealing being hereditary are that Mr. Carver agreed to get her pregnant anyways, and Surma went through with it... why? Was there some particular need for Annie? Maybe Surma was already dying before Annie was conceived. Or maybe she really, really wanted a child?
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Dang, someone beat me too it, but yeah, serious phoenix vibes. At least now we know how just lovey-dovey the family reunion is going to be (owch). You know, Reynard is an absolute immature poo poo considering he's hundreds of years old. Temper, temper--you're worse than Ysengrin. Even Ysengrin showed more reserve when Annie uncovered a weak point.
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