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MaximumBob posted:I think the only inference to be drawn from a resume without a GPA is "this person has bad grades." For recent grads, definitely. However, after about two years or so out, I don't think it is needed anymore; by then, your work history (or the fact that you've been busy DYING ALONE because there are NO JOBS) gives a pretty decent guess as to what your grades were. By about four or five years out, I actually find it a little weird to still see GPA listed.
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MaximumBob posted:Are these law schools anyone should be hiring from?
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gvibes posted:Michigan does not allow. What's their justification for this? Also this doesn't seem like "not allowing:" quote:The Office of Career Services strongly discourages putting your law school GPA on your e: On further reflection I probably wouldn't want to work in an office with someone who'd spent three years in Ann Arbor anyway, so this might work to my advantage. MaximumBob fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Dec 21, 2010 |
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Nice rack. I'd give her an interview.
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MaximumBob posted:What's their justification for this?
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gvibes posted:I mean, they don't do anything if you put it in there, but I was told back in the middle of the decade not to put it on there as a student, and I have done OCI there for years, and I have never seen a resume with a GPA on there. UCLAw didn't want anyone to put their class rank on their resume, I think due to socialism. Of course, anyone who would actually follow one of these rules after graduating from law school is not worth hiring.
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Cortina posted:Crazy chick ended up in the inboxes of every person at our firm today. Further investigation shows that it in fact went out to every person who is on a private email discussion list for attorneys in our practice area. Just FYI that link lists an email that you may or may not want to keep private. I would've PMed you but you don't have them. Phil Moscowitz fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Dec 21, 2010 |
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Thanks, I didn't notice that. I edited the link in the post.
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Copernic posted:UCLAw didn't want anyone to put their class rank on their resume, I think due to socialism. Did they even give you your rank? I haven't seen ranks or a mean/median anywhere.
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She should interview for a position on my dilz.
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Why is the guy with the Christian Bale avatar so mean to everyone?
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Colorblind Pilot posted:Why is the guy with the Christian Bale avatar so mean to everyone? He's the grizzled veteran of the legal profession. Also, I read an Esquire interview titled "Christian Bale May Kill Someone Yet" and basically have superimposed Mookie on Christian Bale in an irrevocable fashion. Unrelated note: it's a good sign if the interviewer calls your references within 24 hours of your interview, right?
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Colorblind Pilot posted:Why is the guy with the Christian Bale avatar so mean to everyone? He couldn't get a reservation at Dorsia.
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Alaemon posted:He couldn't get a reservation at Dorsia. My new business card got upstaged.
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MaximumBob posted:Are these law schools anyone should be hiring from? UVA doesn't calculate your GPA or have class rank aside from I guess the top two spots. You could calculate it yourself, I guess, but it was pretty standard to leave it off. It wasn't listed on your transcript so they would have to calculate it themselves as well - I'm not sure if all firms really do that, and I would say individual interviewers definitely don't all do that so to the extent you have a mix of A's and B's, that mix can sometimes look better than a number (I think). It didn't seem to effect anything but that was back in the day when big firms were still hiring from the bottom 1/4 of the class at T14s. HooKars fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Dec 22, 2010 |
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MaximumBob posted:I think the only inference to be drawn from a resume without a GPA is "this person has bad grades." Or "this school doesn't have grades".....I hope 
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Ainsley McTree posted:Or "this school doesn't have grades".....I hope How many law schools don't have grades?
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Ainsley McTree posted:Or "this school doesn't have grades".....I hope I almost wonder if it's appropriate to include a GPA line and an explanatory note.
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Ainsley McTree posted:Or "this school doesn't have grades".....I hope Well so your GPA is 0.00
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Alaemon posted:I almost wonder if it's appropriate to include a GPA line and an explanatory note. "My university joins the august company of Harvard and Yale in abandoning the antiquated grading system"
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Foaming Chicken posted:How many law schools don't have grades?
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Foaming Chicken posted:How many law schools don't have grades? I count four (HYS, Northeastern), five if you count Berkeley's pseudo grades and maybe six if UChi is thrown in (don't they use some weird point system?)
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Yeah, they have a GPA out of like 195 points and everyone gets in a certain tight range of points? Vaguely explained to me by a friend who's a 1L there. But it's probably not as relevant for them, as I assume their reputation makes up for the uncertainty, unlike us scrubs on the north side of the river 
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Can anyone recommend some good pre barbri bar prep stuff?
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Roger_Mudd posted:Can anyone recommend some good pre barbri bar prep stuff? Why would you do that? I thought barbri itself was overkill... can't imagine doing more on top of that.
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Direwolf posted:Yeah, they have a GPA out of like 195 points and everyone gets in a certain tight range of points? Vaguely explained to me by a friend who's a 1L there. But it's probably not as relevant for them, as I assume their reputation makes up for the uncertainty, unlike us scrubs on the north side of the river It's out of 186, scrubs.  And yeah, it's weird, but probably gives you a better idea of where the person is in the class. Somebody who consistently gets 179s is almost certainly a better student than someone who consistently gets 177s (median) even though both technically are equivalent to B+s.
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Roger_Mudd posted:Can anyone recommend some good pre barbri bar prep stuff? Barbri is pretty much a complete ecosystem. I followed their guided program on the website religiously, and ended up feeling ok going into the test. There's not much need to go outside of what they tell you to do. I do know they have a pre-barbri MBE review that our moronic barbri rep forgot to tell us about. The first week of Barbri is basically three days of doing MBE questions followed by two or three days of question review; if you want a review of the MBE topics before you go into the review week, try to get your rep to give you that MBE review.
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Roger_Mudd posted:Can anyone recommend some good pre barbri bar prep stuff?  Get to it. Seriously, pre-barbri stuff is a waste of time and money. And I took a hard bar (California). Cortina posted:I do know they have a pre-barbri MBE review that our moronic barbri rep forgot to tell us about. The first week of Barbri is basically three days of doing MBE questions followed by two or three days of question review; if you want a review of the MBE topics before you go into the review week, try to get your rep to give you that MBE review.
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Realtalk if you're good at taking tests you can pass the bar by buying a used Conviser book on eBay and studying that for two weeks
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Elotana posted:Realtalk if you're good at taking tests you can pass the bar by buying a used Conviser book on eBay and studying that for two weeks Did this for NY while I was unemployed. It worked. Then, of course, I found another job in MN.
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Ainsley McTree posted:"My university joins the august company of Harvard and Yale in abandoning the antiquated grading system" are you actually working yet or do you just keep up with the law thread because you are full of self-loathing?
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gvibes posted:Michigan does not allow. We also aren't supposed to give out our transcripts during OCI until the interview is over. The justification is something about getting firms to look at us as individuals and not as numbers or something equally asinine.
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Napoleon I posted:We also aren't supposed to give out our transcripts during OCI until the interview is over. It's a way of blocking firms from doing pre-screening. It generally just means it's a good enough law school that it has bargaining power with the firms.
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atlas of bugs posted:are you actually working yet or do you just keep up with the law thread because you are full of self-loathing? This post is so "meta" it hurts.
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entris posted:This post is so "meta" it hurts. we need to stick together 
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atlas of bugs posted:are you actually working yet or do you just keep up with the law thread because you are full of self-loathing? Both! I'm working at a nonlegal temp* job but I've spent so much time here I feel like I can never leave *my application for the permanent copywriter position is still going on - I'm still in the running, I had another interview, and then the people responsible for making the decision immediately went on vacation for two weeks. I feel like I've been there long enough so that if I didn't get the job they'd at least tell me, so I'm pretty sure I still have a chance. The project I was hired for actually ended about 2 weeks ago but they keep making up more poo poo for me to do so who knows! True story I think I'm making more than captain scraps Cortina posted:Barbri is pretty much a complete ecosystem. I followed their guided program on the website religiously, and ended up feeling ok going into the test. There's not much need to go outside of what they tell you to do. I studied with an older version of the barbri books and schedule, but I didn't actually sign up for the class. I just read the conviser mini review and the lecture handouts (which were filled out by the person I got the old books from so it was kind of like being there as far as I can tell) and made note cards which I studied off of and I passed. Although I passed in MA, which is apparently an easy bar and I don't know how much I passed by, so who knows, maybe I came close to failing. Anyway barbri is probably enough is what I'm saying
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In addition to Convisier and the outline notes, I would also want to pick up your state essay book, I found flipping through that pretty helpful, and if you've got any random poo poo for your state, see what Barbri has specifically for that. Virginia has a bunch of short answer questions (MC, fill in the blank), and Barbri had a few pages with sample questions. What showed up on the actual exam could be found, word for word, in that handout.
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Kase Im Licht posted:In addition to Convisier and the outline notes, I would also want to pick up your state essay book, I found flipping through that pretty helpful, and if you've got any random poo poo for your state, see what Barbri has specifically for that. Virginia has a bunch of short answer questions (MC, fill in the blank), and Barbri had a few pages with sample questions. What showed up on the actual exam could be found, word for word, in that handout. Pssssh except for the year I took the Virginia bar, when they had a short answer question about the appropriate standard of review in the 4th Circuit for some tax-related appeals issue. I had absolutely no clue, and I remember that stupid question to this day.
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Kase Im Licht posted:In addition to Convisier and the outline notes, I would also want to pick up your state essay book, I found flipping through that pretty helpful, and if you've got any random poo poo for your state, see what Barbri has specifically for that. Virginia has a bunch of short answer questions (MC, fill in the blank), and Barbri had a few pages with sample questions. What showed up on the actual exam could be found, word for word, in that handout. I'm considering going this route because I can't afford to live in Miami if I pay for Barbri courses but I also can't afford to live here if I fail the bar exam. Apparently I can purchase all of the Florida Barbri materials on Ebay for $300-$400 while Barbri will cost $2,300 (I grovelled for a scholarship). There are also rumors that the Florida bar exam is going to be different/more difficult this July. I loving hate law school. Bar costs should just be included as an additional semester so I'm not tempted to take out a life-ruining private loan.
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