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Triikan
Feb 23, 2007
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When you got the new case, did it come with fans? Did you plug those fans into the motherboard?

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punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

Alereon posted:

Yes, all that card is is two 60GB Sandforce SSDs connected to a two-port SATA RAID controller that connects to the system via a PCI-E x4 slot.
The only SATA600 (SATA 3.0) SSD is the Crucial RealSSD C300. Only the 256GB version is faster than competing SATA300 Sandforce SSDs, and it costs about $540. That's about a $120 price premium (over 240GB Sandforce drives) for a difference that isn't that big. That said, if you're cool with spending $500+ and have a SATA600 motherboard, it is the fastest SSD you can buy right now. Things will really get fast once the next generation of Intel and Sandforce SSDs come out, but that's a few months away.

I'm planning on doing a build this spring or summer, so maybe things will change. That said unless I can get a SATA III and a 6 gb/s board cheap by then (won't happen) I won't bother. SSD are in their toddler years. There will always be something faster around the corner. Might as well bite to what's affordable now and do the same with much better technology 3 years from now when I upgrade.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Triikan posted:

When you got the new case, did it come with fans? Did you plug those fans into the motherboard?

Yeah, it came with fans. It plugged the processor fan into the motherboard but the others are hooked up to the power cables. It's a 500w power supply, and there are only three case fans (120mm), so I think I should have more than enough power for everything.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

Jimbot posted:

Yeah, it came with fans. It plugged the processor fan into the motherboard but the others are hooked up to the power cables. It's a 500w power supply, and there are only three case fans (120mm), so I think I should have more than enough power for everything.

The fans have nothing to do with it. The reason it's restarting it because you changed too much hardware and it no longer has the necessary drivers to load your OS (most likely ide/sata controller drivers). In fact, if you press F8 during the boot, you can choose "Disable Automatic Restart On System Failure" and you'll probably see a BSOD after the windows starts loading.

If you want to keep the data and settings and you still have your Windows XP disc, you can do a repair install. Make sure you choose the 2nd repair option (after it detects your current windows installation), not the first.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Ok, this is pretty weird. I bought a new pair of Sennheiser headphones, and I love them. The only problem, is that they're so sensitive, they freak out and I can hear terrible interference. I have narrowed this down to two problems that make no freaking sense:

1. The PCB for the header can NOT be grounded. If I put the screws in, the static is there, when I remove them, the static goes away. I solved this with some packaging tape between the screws and the PCB. Stupid, but it works.

2. The USB headers can not be plugged into the motherboard. Just doing this (even with nothing plugged into the usb ports) causes massive interference. This is something I'd really like to solve, because having my front USB ports disconnected would be seriously annoying. I have no idea what I can do about it, though.

modeski
Apr 21, 2005

Deceive, inveigle, obfuscate.
Quick question. I'm speccing out a new all-rounder system to buy some time this quarter (Core i5 760, 4Gb RAM, Radeon HD6870). Is it worth waiting for the Sandy Bridge CPUs to arrive and building a system around one of those?

Factory Factory
Mar 19, 2010

This is what
Arcane Velocity was like.
Generally yes, especially if you plan on overclocking. ~10% better performance per clock, and apparently overclocks ridiculously and easily.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006

BLITHERING IDIOT AND HARDCORE DURIAN APOLOGIST. LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SHIT DON'T STINK EVEN THOUGH WE ALL KNOW IT DOES BECAUSE I'M SUPER CULTURED.

Factory Factory posted:

Generally yes, especially if you plan on overclocking. ~10% better performance per clock, and apparently overclocks ridiculously and easily.

Well, that depends. If you've got the official Intel-approved overclocking hardware (a -K series CPU and P67 chipset), overclocking's as easy as it used to be way back in the day, and apparently hits ridiculous numbers. If you don't have officially approved overclocking hardware, though, you're pretty much boned; with the PLL on die, a 10% boost is asking too much. Intel's made overclocking easy in the top end, but they've completely shut down the, "buy a cheap low-end chip, overclock the poo poo out of it," and, "your midrange chip from two years ago getting a bit old? Crank up the clocks, it'll keep up with current stuff," strategies as far as their products are concerned. :(

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
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Remember that you can overclock locked Sandy Bridge CPUs to four bins (400Mhz) beyond the highest turbo speed (assuming you have an overclocker motherboard), which is still pretty fast and comparable to what you'll get if you overclock a Lynnfield CPU. You're not completely screwed unless you get a CPU without turbo, and/or a board that can't overclock. Anandtech has more details on overclocking and Sandy Bridge.

modeski
Apr 21, 2005

Deceive, inveigle, obfuscate.
I don't plan on overclocking at all, especially since I don't play FPS games much anymore.

Sir Nigel
Jun 29, 2006

Alereon posted:

Remember that you can overclock locked Sandy Bridge CPUs to four bins (400Mhz) beyond the highest turbo speed (assuming you have an overclocker motherboard), which is still pretty fast and comparable to what you'll get if you overclock a Lynnfield CPU. You're not completely screwed unless you get a CPU without turbo, and/or a board that can't overclock. Anandtech has more details on overclocking and Sandy Bridge.

Which means that even on an 'locked' i5-2600 your CPU will still potentially be able to run at 3.8Ghz on 4 cores and turbo up to 4.1Ghz when utilizing a single core.

Factory Factory
Mar 19, 2010

This is what
Arcane Velocity was like.
I put an SSD in an eSATA enclosure, and whenever I slide it into the aluminum housing, I get all sorts of errors. Outside the aluminum housing and only hooked up to the bridge electronics, it works perfectly. I think the PCB is shorting against the housing. The case can be up to ~40% of the way on before I see troubles.

How should I go about slipping the case on without shorting anything? Can I place tape over the bridge PCB (Scotch or electrical or masking or whatever)? Cut up a disk glove for a thin rubber sheet? Do I need to do something fancier?

This is a repeat, but I never got an answer.

Social Media
Jan 21, 2010

Is there a good reason to enable AHCI mode if I don't need the extra features it has? IDE mode sounded like it would cap my data speed even though it's a SATA3 HD. AHCI mode can't detect my drive and increases my boot time slightly, so is it worth it to straighten out or just opt for IDE mode whenever asked?

e: Slight clarification; this is my only drive and it can still boot Windows just fine.

Social Media fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Jan 4, 2011

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

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College Slice
Always use AHCI mode. IDE mode reduces performance because it disables NCQ, among other features. If you're having trouble getting your drives to detect, make sure you're using the correct AHCI driver for the controller you're using (you can load it from a USB drive during the Windows Vista/7 install). Keep in mind that there are complications with changing the mode after Windows is installed, you can't just flip it and reboot.

Social Media
Jan 21, 2010

Thanks for the advice. A BIOS update fixed everything and the drive is running great.

loudog999
Apr 30, 2006

I just had an older Gateway gm5626 given to me. I bought a Radeon HD4670 video card to put in it and am wondering if there is anything I can do about the E2180 processor that it has short of replacing it. Is it true that you cant overclock an OEM machine because of the BIOS that they have installed on it? I don't have need for a power house machine or anything, just something to play TF2 and possibly WOW on. If I could somehow manage to play the Arkum Asylum that I picked up on the Steam sale it would be great also.

Gadzuko
Feb 14, 2005
The fan on my HD 4890 is dying, it stops working randomly under full load leading to some scary temperature spikes. What are the recommended aftermarket cooling options these days?

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice

loudog999 posted:

I just had an older Gateway gm5626 given to me. I bought a Radeon HD4670 video card to put in it and am wondering if there is anything I can do about the E2180 processor that it has short of replacing it. Is it true that you cant overclock an OEM machine because of the BIOS that they have installed on it? I don't have need for a power house machine or anything, just something to play TF2 and possibly WOW on. If I could somehow manage to play the Arkum Asylum that I picked up on the Steam sale it would be great also.
You can overclock in a motherboard that doesn't support it by bridging or covering certain pads on the bottom of the CPU to determine what bus speed it asks the motherboard for. This does require that the motherboard support faster bus speeds than the processor's stock speed, but this is nearly always the case for Pentium Dual-Core CPUs thanks to their low stock bus speed. This site has more information and instructions, and you can find more by googling various combinations of "pin mod" and your CPU type/model.

Gadzuko posted:

The fan on my HD 4890 is dying, it stops working randomly under full load leading to some scary temperature spikes. What are the recommended aftermarket cooling options these days?
Either the Arctic Cooling Accelero S1 Rev 2 for $30.99 or the Arctic Cooling Accelero Twin Turbo Pro for $44.99, depending on the amount of cooling you want and money you want to spend. Both are compatible with the 4890 according to the Arctic Cooling website, and the Twin Turbo Pro should provide enough cooling headroom for overclocking or upgrading to another high-end videocard in the future. The S1 Rev 2 typically provides better cooling than the stock cooler if your case has decent ventilation, even though it's fanless. The fans on the Twin Turbo Pro spin slowly and are very quiet compared to the stock cooler. Both of these coolers are kind of hefty, and the Twin Turbo Pro is going to block off two adjacent slots on your motherboard, but its not like you needed those slots anyway.

Alereon fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Jan 4, 2011

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug
I have a Radeon HD 5700. Does anyone know why the screen would tear a little bit in exactly the same place, a horizontal line about a fifth of the way up from the bottom of the screen, in every game I have (even really simple 2D ones)?

Rukus
Mar 13, 2007

Hmph.

Samurai Sanders posted:

I have a Radeon HD 5700. Does anyone know why the screen would tear a little bit in exactly the same place, a horizontal line about a fifth of the way up from the bottom of the screen, in every game I have (even really simple 2D ones)?

Sounds like typical screen tearing. Force V-Sync in the ATI control panel and that should fix it. (More info about it from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_tearing)

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

Ruklo Burosee posted:

Sounds like typical screen tearing. Force V-Sync in the ATI control panel and that should fix it. (More info about it from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_tearing)
So turning on v-sync in the program itself isn't good enough?

edit: also the Catalyst control panel is a piece of poo poo car and I can't even figure out where the vsync controls are.

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice

Samurai Sanders posted:

So turning on v-sync in the program itself isn't good enough?

edit: also the Catalyst control panel is a piece of poo poo car and I can't even figure out where the vsync controls are.
Start, All Programs, Catalyst Control Center, CCC - Advanced, pull the Graphics menu down to 3D, click on the "All" tab. It does get a new UI in the next version though (there's also a preview version available of the current drivers with the new UI). Also verify your refresh rate is set to 60Hz.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

Alereon posted:

Start, All Programs, Catalyst Control Center, CCC - Advanced, pull the Graphics menu down to 3D, click on the "All" tab. It does get a new UI in the next version though (there's also a preview version available of the current drivers with the new UI). Also verify your refresh rate is set to 60Hz.
Oh okay, I had glanced through that before but since it says "wait for vertical refresh" instead of the "vsync" I have been familiar with since the 90s, I just totally missed it.

edit: it didn't fix it though. Besides, like I said, almost all the programs have a vsync option too but they don't fix it either. Wouldn't the option in the CCC just override the program's choice, or is it something else?

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Jan 4, 2011

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice
That's pretty weird. If you're sure you've got your refresh rate set to 60Hz, I'd try uninstalling the Catalyst drivers, running Driver Sweeper, then installing the latest Catalyst 10.12 drivers (not the preview ones). Don't forget to install the Catalyst Application Profiles after you reboot.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

Alereon posted:

That's pretty weird. If you're sure you've got your refresh rate set to 60Hz, I'd try uninstalling the Catalyst drivers, running Driver Sweeper, then installing the latest Catalyst 10.12 drivers (not the preview ones). Don't forget to install the Catalyst Application Profiles after you reboot.
Thanks, it seems to have worked, in my 3d games the effect was removed. That drive sweeper thing is a nifty little program, I will definitely keep it around. I still have one 2D game that has tearing along the bottom, but it must be a different issue. It's an indie game and I don't have too much faith in their programming methods anyway though.

LooseChanj
Feb 17, 2006

Logicaaaaaaaaal!
This is just a little odd thing I noticed after upgrading my video card. I've got 8 gigs of ram, and 32-bit XP installed. (Yeah yeah, I've got 64-bit 7 as my main OS, I just keep XP around for...I dunno, nostalgia or something.) Anyway, the video memory went from 512 megs to 1 gig. Thing is, the physical ram XP sees stayed the same, 3.25 gigs. GPU-Z under XP says the card has a gig, but the amount of ram XP sees is the same as with the old card that had half as much. Does XP have some sort of limit on video memory?

Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!

Factory Factory posted:

How should I go about slipping the case on without shorting anything? Can I place tape over the bridge PCB (Scotch or electrical or masking or whatever)? Cut up a disk glove for a thin rubber sheet? Do I need to do something fancier?

Electrical tape seems the fanciest and best option, really. You seem to have narrowed it down to an electrical short and the tape will fix that.

loudog999
Apr 30, 2006

Alereon posted:

You can overclock in a motherboard that doesn't support it by bridging or covering certain pads on the bottom of the CPU to determine what bus speed it asks the motherboard for. This does require that the motherboard support faster bus speeds than the processor's stock speed, but this is nearly always the case for Pentium Dual-Core CPUs thanks to their low stock bus speed. This site has more information and instructions, and you can find more by googling various combinations of "pin mod" and your CPU type/model.
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Alereon posted:

You can overclock in a motherboard that doesn't support it by bridging or covering certain pads on the bottom of the CPU to determine what bus speed it asks the motherboard for. This does require that the motherboard support faster bus speeds than the processor's stock speed, but this is nearly always the case for Pentium Dual-Core CPUs thanks to their low stock bus speed. This site has more information and instructions, and you can find more by googling various combinations of "pin mod" and your CPU type/model.

Looked easy enough, I took a circuit pen and connected what I think is the correct places on the CPU, booted up and both bios and another program I installed say 2.00 ghz. Oh well, I tried but I think maybe I should leave well enough alone before I really gently caress something up.

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

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loudog999 posted:

Looked easy enough, I took a circuit pen and connected what I think is the correct places on the CPU, booted up and both bios and another program I installed say 2.00 ghz. Oh well, I tried but I think maybe I should leave well enough alone before I really gently caress something up.
Your goal is to mod the FSB from 800->1066, which should change the CPU speed to 2666Mhz. Remember that the CPU will underclock itself if it's not at maximum load, so you need to be running some sort of CPU torture test to check clock speeds.

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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Space Gopher posted:




If you're trying the home reflow trick, you take all that stuff off.

Trick worked for me tonight, by the way. I came across a heavily artifacting EVGA 8800GTX and threw it in my oven at "somewhere around 375" for 8 minutes. It appears to work flawlessly now.

My question: Is 88-91C full load acceptable for this card, as reported by onboard sensors? I *think* I got the heatsink compound on correctly but it's tough on such a big die.

loudog999
Apr 30, 2006

Alereon posted:

Your goal is to mod the FSB from 800->1066, which should change the CPU speed to 2666Mhz. Remember that the CPU will underclock itself if it's not at maximum load, so you need to be running some sort of CPU torture test to check clock speeds.

Got it, thanks for the help.

Pr0phecy
Apr 3, 2006
How much bottlenecking are we looking at here?

System:

M2N-E Mobo
4GB DDR2 667 ram.
AMD X2 6000+ (Dual-core 3.0 Ghz)

Bottlenecking factor: Nvidia GTX 460 1GB.

(A far superior power supply will be obtained.)

Should I go ahead and just get the GPU? If not, could I get the GPU for a little while before getting a new system?

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice

Pr0phecy posted:

How much bottlenecking are we looking at here?

System:

M2N-E Mobo
4GB DDR2 667 ram.
AMD X2 6000+ (Dual-core 3.0 Ghz)

Bottlenecking factor: Nvidia GTX 460 1GB.

(A far superior power supply will be obtained.)

Should I go ahead and just get the GPU? If not, could I get the GPU for a little while before getting a new system?
What videocard do you have now? What games are you upgrading for?

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


LooseChanj posted:

This is just a little odd thing I noticed after upgrading my video card. I've got 8 gigs of ram, and 32-bit XP installed. (Yeah yeah, I've got 64-bit 7 as my main OS, I just keep XP around for...I dunno, nostalgia or something.) Anyway, the video memory went from 512 megs to 1 gig. Thing is, the physical ram XP sees stayed the same, 3.25 gigs. GPU-Z under XP says the card has a gig, but the amount of ram XP sees is the same as with the old card that had half as much. Does XP have some sort of limit on video memory?

The 4 gig max memory on 32 bit systems takes into account all memory - including VRAM. So yes, there is a limit. Also, if you have Win 7 premium or better, you get virtual PC as a free download, so you don't need to have an XP partition (unless you need hardware video acceleration for some reason).

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/

LooseChanj
Feb 17, 2006

Logicaaaaaaaaal!

KillHour posted:

The 4 gig max memory on 32 bit systems takes into account all memory - including VRAM. So yes, there is a limit.

That was my point though, I was expecting the system ram to take a half-gig hit and it didn't. What I'm curious about is why.

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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Kind of HOTS/repair-ish - I have here one (1) Inspiron 1525 with a beautifully rainbowed cracked screen.

If it came with a 1280x800 panel from the factory, could I snag one of these $120 WUXGA LCD's off eBay for a 1920x1200 without any other cabling or other changes? If I have to mess around with finding the right LCD cable/etc, I don't want to fool with it and I'll get the stock resolution.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

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LooseChanj posted:

That was my point though, I was expecting the system ram to take a half-gig hit and it didn't. What I'm curious about is why.

I'm thinking that for some reason, the computer chose to not recognize the extra 512 MB on the card instead of to stop recognizing 512 MB on the regular RAM. It might be that you'd need to reinstall XP to get it to see that the card has 1 GB.

loudog999
Apr 30, 2006

Last question I promise. I have my cpu up to 266 and am running the Prime95 stress test for the last several minutes. I also have Core Temp installed, and its showing this..


Are those core temps ok? If not what should I do to keep them downnow? Buy a new fan?

THanks again

Rukus
Mar 13, 2007

Hmph.

loudog999 posted:

Temps
For full-load those temps are normal. If you wanted to lower them the best way to do that would be to buy an aftermarket cooler. The parts picking megathread's recommended cooler for LGA 775 is a Hyper 212:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

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Spatial
Nov 15, 2007

LooseChanj posted:

That was my point though, I was expecting the system ram to take a half-gig hit and it didn't. What I'm curious about is why.
If you look at its memory ranges in the device manager, you'll see it has one big 256MB block and a few other smaller ones.

The GPU can load from that block of RAM to any location in VRAM. It simply doesn't need any more - it's a system unto itself with its own memory controllers and separate address space.

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