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kuddles posted:Are you sure it's not your television? You say it's not but televisions usually aren't built with the expectation of being monitors. Even some of the most high quality HDTVs on the market can lack a good DVI connection or not be very good at displaying crisp text because they're more focused on upscaling SD content or whatever. I have a 37" television but when I run my computer through it the text is certainly not as easily readable as it is on my monitor. I realize this. I never said anything about the text not being completely crisp, it's not. It's just way too small without increasing the DPI. I'll probably go for the 23 inch dell and play around with it, it just blows having to gently caress around to get readable text.
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You shouldn't have to play around to get readable text though. The pixel pitch of 23" full HD panels is reasonably small. Hell, the insanely small pixel pitch on mobile phone displays and panels like that 13 inch full HD panel on the Sony VAIO Z notebook is the reason why you can read such ickle letters. So the only way you need to adjust DPI to see text is if you sit miles away from your display or you are blind as a bat.
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Anyone have experience with DELL RMAs? My 3007 exhibited all sorts of artifacts and distortion this morning, after being bounced around various queues for a couple hours I was issued a replacement that should arrive in a few business days. However the artifacts have since disappeared. I wonder if it has anything to do with overheating. I live in the middle of nowhere and returning the defect panel is going to be a pain in the rear end but I don't want DELL to pull any funny business because the unit is now behaving properly. I have images of the distortion, but their RMA system won't allow me to email them the evidence. Should I cancel the problem and wait until the problem become permanent. Still have a couple years left on warranty.
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I highly, highly doubt they will cause a fuss even if they can't replicate the problem. The majority of electronic RMA returns are actually things that work perfectly but user error is causing them. That's the reason there's so many "refurbished" models of things coming out and why a lot of companies charge restocking fees. There were even tons of instances in the old monitor thread that were essentially things like "Hey my monitor is acting up do you know how long an RMA takes...(2 days later) turned out it was just my power bar/old driver/whatever." Not that I'm saying you're problem isn't genuine. Just that someone on the other side is going to test the entire thing, not just try and replicate your issue, and that guy probably never even talks to the department that decided to send you a replacement.
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I just want a 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 monitor but I don't care about super fast refreshing or response times, I will be using it for games, web browsing, youtube etc, the cheaper the better. Any recommendations for a non-lovely monitor? Thanks.
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evlbstrd posted:Anyone have experience with DELL RMAs? I RMA'd two ultrasharps recently. A new U2711 that had backlight bleeding and a 2408WP that literally just died while in use (turned off and didn't turn back on). The U2711 was easy, I emailed got a reply back next day and had a replacement unit in about 3 business days. The older model was harder since it didn't have a service tag I had to call and speak to someone but after I explained the issue and gave them the serial it was literally ok I am sending out a replacement here's the confirmation number (could've been called something else). Replacement monitor was in my house in 3 business days again. They called me like a day later to see if I received the replacement(s) and if everything was working properly now. Perhaps, if you have an issue where they are disputing your claims you can speak to an account manager that you can email the pictures to but I don't think you'll have a problem.
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The OP's gaming monitor is a bit steep, and has some additional features that I don't need (3D Ready, specifically). Are there any other monitors that are on the cheaper side, will run at 1920x2080, and have a decent refresh rate for gaming?
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Yeah, I guess there isn't a great cheap monitor recommendation in the OP. Just go for whatever cheap acer tn panel is on newegg right now. There aren't any real options for refresh rate besides 60hz and 120hz and response times between monitors vary on the single millisecond level i.e. you won't notice.
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fleshweasel posted:Yeah, I guess there isn't a great cheap monitor recommendation in the OP. Just go for whatever cheap acer tn panel is on newegg right now. There aren't any real options for refresh rate besides 60hz and 120hz and response times between monitors vary on the single millisecond level i.e. you won't notice. It is hard to tell when internet enthusiasts are sperging about something, ala refresh rates, or if it is something that it fairly noticeable. Flesh, any specific reason to go with an ACER over an ASUS (of almost the same specs) given that the ASUS has a 3 year warranty?
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vs Dinosaurs posted:It is hard to tell when internet enthusiasts are sperging about something, ala refresh rates, or if it is something that it fairly noticeable. The Asus I linked to in the last page is pretty decent. I don't own it myself but I bought it for 3 others and other than the typical Asus issues (the manual is barely useful and the menu navigation isn't the greatest), it's got a pretty good screen as far as TN panels go and works fine. That said, I think why there's no clear recommendation is that the cheap TN market have been refined and mass produced for so long that as long as you don't go insanely cheap and stick to well-known brands (Asus, Acer, Samsung, etc.) it's unlikely you'll end up with a lemon.
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What kuddles said; the brand doesn't really matter for cheap monitors although asus has a somewhat better reputation than acer for computers.
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kuddles posted:That said, I think why there's no clear recommendation is that the cheap TN market have been refined and mass produced for so long that as long as you don't go insanely cheap and stick to well-known brands (Asus, Acer, Samsung, etc.) it's unlikely you'll end up with a lemon.
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I was wondering if anyone was aware of any new options in the non-TN range that were on the relatively-near horizon (say, within the first half of the year). Some of the monitors at CES looked interesting (like the ASUS PA246Q), but the time-to-market is always a shot in the dark with those and I no longer know of a good source for monitor news and updates. Most sites I used to look at are tragically outdated and my searches have not yielded very good results. So... anyone know of any upcoming displays with promise? (And/or a place for fairly useful and up-to-date news on the subject?)
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TFT Central is a excellent place for reviews but I haven't found a place for industry information of the sort. I think that most LCD manufactures are trying to get in on smartphone craze and are putting all their resources into that.
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Tab8715 posted:I think that most LCD manufactures are trying to get in on smartphone craze and are putting all their resources into that. So about the only think we're likely to see this year is drops in prices of stuff we've more or less already seen, an increase in DP support, and a move to more LED backlighting (which has advantages over CCFL mostly in power usage, heat, and life-span. Doesn't do much for visual quality). Maybe some more forays into wide-gamut support.
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Finally bought my U2311H. I'm very satisfied with the purchase, except I wanted to tear my eyeballs on minute 1 because the factory setting is TOO loving SHARP. It's like a dagger piercing through your eyes and sinking into your brain. I'm not exaggerating, it's that bright. Obviously you can change it and I warmly recommend never going above 30% if you don't want to go blind. Other than that the colors are incredible compared to my old TN. This is one beautiful monitor. The only gripe I have is that I saw it sitting next to a U2711 in the shop where I bought it. Now the U2311H can hold its own in color fidelity and overall image quality but oh my loving god the blacks. The blacks. I was expecting this monitor to have great blacks but nope. They're better than a TN but not by that much. This is a major drawback and I'm surprised no one mentioned it anywhere in the thread. The counterpoint may be that unless you want to spend 700$ more you should just give up because night scenes in movies will look like poo poo on any reasonably priced LCD. Hell, only on Plasmas you see good blacks, they're barely acceptable even on Samsung LED HDTVs. tl;dr: I'm a bit grumpy and think that LCDs should be replaced by a new technology that doesn't suck, but the U2311H is the best monitor you can buy in that price range.
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Paino posted:tl;dr: I'm a bit grumpy and think that LCDs should be replaced by a new technology that doesn't suck Actually, when we get more widespread use of things like full RGB LED backlighting, that should help fix issues like poor black levels and contrast a bit more. I don't know how well they compare to the levels you can get with plasma, though. some dillweed fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Jan 20, 2011 |
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Some dillweed posted:Hm. Good luck with that idea. LCD currently takes up too much of the display industry's collective attention and makes up too much of their current market for the other technologies to make significant headway. So, you're probably going to be waiting a while before anything better comes out and then even longer before the new technology's at a palatable price. The color black will be there, waiting for me. Last time I saw it at home was on a pricy 1998 Sony CRT, now all I see is different shades of gray with lovely lighting behind it. And they called it HDTV? gently caress you. By the way, full array LED are not as bad but they're expensive and the shades of grey are only slightly darker, with more detail in them. Still nothing a somewhat decent percent (ie: not the marketing guys) would ever call black.
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We have to pray for OLED displays to become common in the near future. I saw the 15-inch LG OLED TV and it blew me away. The blacks were incredible, the contrast was incredible and the viewing angles made any IPS display look like an ancient piece of poo poo. It's a shame LG seems to be the only company putting any sort of effort into bigger OLED TVs/monitors. Here's a 31-inch OLED TV LG is soon releasing for an exorbitant price: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnRYScqogF0 Can't wait until I have a 24-inch version on my computer desk. 
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Samsung is supposed to release their first OLED TV's in 2012, with good luck we might see some monitors this year.
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Paino posted:The only gripe I have is that I saw it sitting next to a U2711 in the shop where I bought it. Now the U2311H can hold its own in color fidelity and overall image quality but oh my loving god the blacks. The blacks. I believe the correct formula for calculating U2311H black levels goes something like: real black level = uncalibrated black level/(U2711 price - U2311H price) x 1/(x grams of coke + y hookers purchased with savings) 
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I have a Dell 2209WA and I'm noticing now in the centre of the screen, there's this faded line that seems to show up on any colour that isn't pure white or black. I've had the monitor for almost two years now, and only noticed it a week ago. I'm terrible about this sort of thing, so now it's basically all see whenever I'm staring at the monitor. I tried using the LCD Conditioning function on the monitor, but after a day it hadn't finished yet and I needed to use the PC, so I had to terminate the function. How long is it supposed to normally take, and would it actually help at all? I've cleaned the monitor screen after noticing the issue, so it's not tied to anything being stuck on the screen. If it's an issue that can't be fixed, I'd probably just try and go for a higher resolution monitor. If I'm just a guy who watches video and plays games, is the difference between TN and IPS something I'd miss, or would I be better off going the cheap and dirty route? I've noticed a P2411H on dell's site for 199$ Canadian that seems alright.
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Perfect Potato posted:If it's an issue that can't be fixed, I'd probably just try and go for a higher resolution monitor. If I'm just a guy who watches video and plays games, is the difference between TN and IPS something I'd miss, or would I be better off going the cheap and dirty route? I've noticed a P2411H on dell's site for 199$ Canadian that seems alright.
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Paino posted:The color black will be there, waiting for me. Last time I saw it at home was on a pricy 1998 Sony CRT, now all I see is different shades of gray with lovely lighting behind it. And they called it HDTV? gently caress you. I had FW900s as my monitors for the longest time, the blacks and refresh rate were sol incredibly glorious. Then I got tired of upkeep on them, shielded 'em in garbage bags, and put them into storage. Loving my U3011 + 2x 2209WAs now (no room for my old Gateway, so gave that to my little brother). Off-topic question though, that I just realized...does running multiple monitors off one graphics card kill 3D game performance? I had 4 monitors for the longest time, so both cards would have two monitors, but now that I'm down to 3, I can put the 2209s on the little GT210, and leave the GTX460 doing its thang. I mean, it's just rendering a 2D windows desktop, which I imagine wouldn't be terribly difficult, but maybe it's costing me precious FPS 
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movax posted:I mean, it's just rendering a 2D windows desktop, which I imagine wouldn't be terribly difficult, but maybe it's costing me precious FPS
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Dell's Ultrasharp 21.5" is on sale for 199$. Think im gonna go for it, seems like a 30% price reduction would help with the accusation of poor value in the OP... Thoughts?
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Alkuan posted:Thoughts?
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Remember how I wasn't sure if I should buy the U2311H a while ago? Yeah I got it. And it looks like it has some poo poo inside the LCD assembly that makes it look like it has a bunch of dead pixels. It should be a clear RMA case but still a pain in the rear end. I guess this is what happens when you don't check it right in the store. Also, is it normal for LED backlights to produce noticeable bleeding even at normal viewing angles? This is a 2 second exposure so it's not that bad, but the orange/blue colors in the lower corners are fairly noticeable even in real use: 
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That's...some pretty hosed up poo poo. Looks like some dust or whatnot managed to get behind the panel, which is a big no-no.
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So I bought a Spyder3Pro and gave it a whirl on my Dell U2410. While it does make basically all the colors look a lot better, it really bothers me how it insists on on the brightness being 120 cd/m2, which as best I can figure is achieved by setting the Brightness to 0 and the Contrast to 48. Is this the generally accepted procedure to achieve what the calibration software is asking for? I can't help but feel that whites look a lot better at higher Brigthness settings, but seeing as this is my first time with a colorimeter I figure maybe it's just me not used to how things should be normally. E: Hell could I just ignore the request to set it to 120 cd/m2 and just keep Brightness/Contrast at 50/50 and let the calibration proceed from there? Nate RFB fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Jan 22, 2011 |
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Nate RFB posted:So I bought a Spyder3Pro and gave it a whirl on my Dell U2410. While it does make basically all the colors look a lot better, it really bothers me how it insists on on the brightness being 120 cd/m2, which as best I can figure is achieved by setting the Brightness to 0 and the Contrast to 48. Is this the generally accepted procedure to achieve what the calibration software is asking for? I can't help but feel that whites look a lot better at higher Brigthness settings, but seeing as this is my first time with a colorimeter I figure maybe it's just me not used to how things should be normally. I recommend downloading the 10-day demo of Coloreyes Display Pro, which will let you customize whatever brightness you want, and calibrate colors to that. I don't think your version of the Spyder software supports setting different brightnesses. 120 cd/m2 is great for a dim room, but you probably want something more like 140 cd/m2+ if you're using it in a daylight-filled room and just making GBS threads around (not color matching prints or anything). Also, brightness as 0 for 120 cd/m2 sounds low. Putting out a lower amount of light should be possible. For comparison's sake, Coloreyes is telling me 120 cd/m2 is equal to brightness 19 on my Dell u2311h. Edit: Also, something cool about Coloreyes: it supports DDC, which means it can directly interface with the monitor and change brightness, contrast, and RGB settings as it's calibrating. My u2311h supports it, so I'd bet the u2410 would too. VermiciousKnid84 fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Jan 22, 2011 |
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Most displays are stupidly bright out of the box, which makes everything "pop" out at you at first. Then your eyeballs start to feel like they are being microwaved after a few hours. You get used to the lower brightness quickly and it makes it easier to look at the screen all day.
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It was really just that whites, well, didn't look white. I re-did the calibration with the room lights on (thus making the ambient light output recommend 180 cd/m2 instead), and I'm much more satisfied with the result. Only had to set the brightness down to 25 this time.
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Are there any cheap, noticeably bigger monitors from my 22" samsung monitor?
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mobby_6kl posted:Also, is it normal for LED backlights to produce noticeable bleeding even at normal viewing angles? This is a 2 second exposure so it's not that bad, but the orange/blue colors in the lower corners are fairly noticeable even in real use: Also, I think the Dell U series still uses CCFLs for backlighting. The Apple Cinema's one of the few currently available IPS monitors that uses LEDs, but more are supposed to come out this year. I'm still hoping for a good replacement for my current 24".
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The orange/purple tint is the infamous IPS glow. You will get it in all IPS panels without an Advanced True Wide (A-TW) polarizer, which is all the affordable ones. This NEC has it too.
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I thought IPS glow was usually supposed to show up at angles outside of your straight-on viewing unless you're on something like a 30", but I guess not. As long as you're not looking at the screen from an angle, IPS glow shouldn't be much of an issue. On most PVA/MVA panels, you get some slightly annoying colour shift instead. No matter what consumer monitor you pick, you're probably going to end up with at least some amount of backlight bleeding and panel uniformity issues. The higher-end NECs and some pricier monitors are supposed to have decent active correction to adjust for the uniformity problems, at least. If the new consumer-level IPS monitors coming out don't improve on the current stuff, I think I'm just going to give up and get a Dell when they go on sale. Hell, I might do that anyway in the meantime. I'm still dealing with a BenQ FP241W, and the minimum brightness is somewhere around 220 cd/m^2. It might produce decent colours, but my eyes start to burn if I have to look at white for too long. It's a nice, clean, painfully piercing white, though.
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I just my 24 inch monitor in. Holy poo poo this is insane! I thought the monitors we had at work were huge, but this thing just comes and takes a huge poo poo on them! So excited!
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After reading the thread and going to see teh 27-nch ultrasharp in a store, I pulled the trigger on the U2311 the day before yesterday. It arrived yesterday (!) and I hooked it up to my laptop while I wait for the parts for my new desktop. This thing is amazing. I was concerned about the 8ms response time because I'm in game dev and play a LOT of games, but it's more than fine to my eyes. And the color quality is fantastic. Do what a lot of others are suggesting, though, and turn the factory brightness WAY down, and contrast-up if you want. I've got mine set to something like 40 brightness and it cleans up a lot of the issues from the anti-glare coat. Overall, super-happy with the purchase, and I'll be grabbing another for a second display pretty soon.
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