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Humbug Scoolbus: Apr 25, 2008; The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.; Clapping Larry

Lord Commissar posted:

I had Falcon 4.0 when it first came out, it CAME with a manual in a real nice binder with maps.

Wish I still had it, but I think I traded it to a goon.

I worked on Falcon 4.0, both PC and Mac versions. I still think it and the IL series are the best flight sims ever made.

# ? Jan 19, 2011 18:18

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# ? Apr 25, 2024 11:58

slidebite: Nov 6, 2005; Good egg

Lord Commissar posted:

I had Falcon 4.0 when it first came out, it CAME with a manual in a real nice binder with maps.

Wish I still had it, but I think I traded it to a goon.

I've still got mine. The biggest issue with the manual is that there were so many manual addendum that it ended missing a whole bunch of game features as the patches came.

That said, I still miss the hell out of big paper manuals and I'd happily pay a $20 premium for a game to have one. Nice for reading in bed or on the crapper.

# ? Jan 19, 2011 19:53

3 Action Economist: May 22, 2002; Educate. Agitate. Liberate.

Humbug Scoolbus posted:

I worked on Falcon 4.0, both PC and Mac versions. I still think it and the IL series are the best flight sims ever made.

Also Jane's Longbow 2.

slidebite posted:

I've still got mine. The biggest issue with the manual is that there were so many manual addendum that it ended missing a whole bunch of game features as the patches came.

That said, I still miss the hell out of big paper manuals and I'd happily pay a $20 premium for a game to have one. Nice for reading in bed or on the crapper.

See above!

In fact most of the Jane's games had awesome manuals.

# ? Jan 19, 2011 21:26

Humbug Scoolbus: Apr 25, 2008; The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.; Clapping Larry

Lord Commissar posted:

In fact most of the Jane's games had awesome manuals.

Agreed. The only Jane's sim I worked on was the LAN component for F/A-18 Simulator. Testing that was a blast with two 8 player flights on a coordinated strike mission.

Interesting note. The original design document for Falcon 4.0 was written as an Excel spreadsheet. By the time it Gold Mastered, the spreadsheet was 11MB!!! 11 megs for a loving spreadsheet, no graphics...

It was easily the most complex game I ever worked on and regressing bugs could be a nightmare.

# ? Jan 19, 2011 21:49

slidebite: Nov 6, 2005; Good egg

Humbug Scoolbus posted:

It was easily the most complex game I ever worked on and regressing bugs could be a nightmare.

I did beta testing for Interactive Magic for a short while. What a soul sucking experience that was.

# ? Jan 20, 2011 06:10

AlmightyPants: Mar 14, 2001; King of Scheduling; Pillbug

I still have my Falcon 4.0 manual. When I bought it my computer couldn't run it. When I finally had a computer that could run it, I didn't have the time, energy or interest to read a binder's worth of material when in reality I just wanted to blow things up.

Also, the manual comes with maps of the Korean Peninsula or something right? Seriously cool and completely overkill. No one makes games like that anymore.

# ? Jan 20, 2011 06:29

Boomerjinks: Jan 31, 2007; DINO DAMAGE

AlmightyPants posted:

No one makes games like that anymore.

haha whatever, man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV35B-vfT4U

# ? Jan 20, 2011 06:33

NightGyr: Mar 7, 2005; I � Unicode

Boomerjinks posted:

haha whatever, man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV35B-vfT4U

I watched the whole thing.

# ? Jan 20, 2011 12:31

routlej1: Apr 1, 2010

NightGyr posted:

I watched the whole thing.

Holy crap.

How is that in any way fun? I think I'll stick to Il2.

# ? Jan 20, 2011 15:03

Humbug Scoolbus: Apr 25, 2008; The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.; Clapping Larry

Boomerjinks posted:

haha whatever, man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV35B-vfT4U

You just sold a copy of A-10.

# ? Jan 20, 2011 15:22

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

Humbug Scoolbus posted:

You just sold a copy of A-10.

I....want this

# ? Jan 20, 2011 15:43

Humbug Scoolbus: Apr 25, 2008; The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.; Clapping Larry

CommieGIR posted:

I....want this

They have a helo sim too!!!!

# ? Jan 20, 2011 16:11

Sadi: Jan 18, 2005; SC - Where there are more rednecks than people

Humbug Scoolbus posted:

They have a helo sim too!!!!

Yep and its loving awesome, especially if you have trackir. Only issue is it is complex as gently caress. I still dont know how to fly for long periods of time at high altitude (in the mountains) with out losing power and dieing. Oh and it has Startfoce copy protection which in my experience also likes to keep you from using products you own from time to time. The start up in DCS BS doesnt have to be as crazy with the checks and all as they make it. After a few tries and if you dont care about checking O2 and the like you could start the black shark pretty quick and not catch fire most of the time.

Sadi fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Jan 20, 2011

# ? Jan 20, 2011 17:54

Kolodny: Jul 10, 2010

routlej1 posted:

Holy crap.

How is that in any way fun? I think I'll stick to Il2.

It's in beta and it shows, but there's promise. The systems all work pretty well, as does multiplayer. The only really glaring issues (probably several other minor things I haven't noticed) are some weapons don't work properly - CBUs barely leave a scratch, for instance. No dynamic campaigns like in Falcon 4.0 though

If you're into zipping around in dogfights you won't find that in A-10, but it's pretty satisfying to fly around evading SAMs and annihilating convoys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLuXwMGlhO8 this is a bit more representative of what goes on.

Kolodny fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Jan 20, 2011

# ? Jan 20, 2011 18:10

Snapshot: Oct 22, 2004; damnit Matt get in the boat

Are they linking A10 with LOMAC Flaming Cliffs 2?

# ? Jan 20, 2011 19:38

Nebakenezzer: Sep 13, 2005; The Mote in God's Eye

Boomerjinks posted:

haha whatever, man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV35B-vfT4U

A computer sim of an A10 that needs computer hardware much more advanced then the actual A10

# ? Jan 20, 2011 21:04

Boomerjinks: Jan 31, 2007; DINO DAMAGE

Nebakenezzer posted:

A computer sim of an A10 that needs computer hardware much more advanced then the actual A10

It's okay though, because you can lose 3/4 of your keyboard and still make it home safely.

# ? Jan 20, 2011 21:09

eggyolk: Nov 8, 2007

Given software that advanced I don't think leaving home is going to be a factor in the first place.

# ? Jan 20, 2011 21:13

monkeytennis: Apr 26, 2007; Toilet Rascal

eggyolk posted:

Given software that advanced I don't think leaving home is going to be a factor in the first place.

or even leaving the basement. Looks and sounds awesome though.

# ? Jan 20, 2011 21:59

Seizure Meat: Jul 23, 2008; by Smythe

Nebakenezzer posted:

A computer sim of an A10 that needs computer hardware much more advanced then the actual A10

this could be the most funny thing in this entire thread

# ? Jan 20, 2011 23:25

Ola: Jul 19, 2004

Snapshot posted:

Are they linking A10 with LOMAC Flaming Cliffs 2?

Yes, it's a sequel pretty much. Between this and ~~Storm of War~~ IL-2: Cliffs of Dover, it looks like my wallet has a crosshairs over it with a flashing L next to it. Upgrade ain't cheap.

# ? Jan 21, 2011 13:37

Humbug Scoolbus: Apr 25, 2008; The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.; Clapping Larry

Realistic air combat sims make me so happy.

# ? Jan 21, 2011 14:34

LobsterboyX: Jun 27, 2003; I want to eat my chicken.

i want that game, yet i dont have the rig for it anymore... tempting still because i want to know how to fly an a-10..

# ? Jan 21, 2011 20:38

Humbug Scoolbus: Apr 25, 2008; The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.; Clapping Larry

Jane's USAF had a decent A-10 component. Nowhere near DCS's sperglord version of course, but it was fun.

# ? Jan 21, 2011 22:48

co199: Oct 28, 2009; I AM A LOUSY FUCKING COMPUTER JANITOR WHO DOES NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CYBER COMPUTER HACKER SHIT.

PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN TO MY FUCKING AWFUL OPINIONS AS I HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.

Strike Fighters 2 Europe also has an A-10 that you can fly.

http://thirdwire.com/project_sf2e.htm

# ? Jan 22, 2011 01:20

Ola: Jul 19, 2004

I remember the first time I tried the A-10 Cuba demo, it was sooo smoooth...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuip8MBX58Y

# ? Jan 22, 2011 01:38

Humbug Scoolbus: Apr 25, 2008; The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.; Clapping Larry

Ola posted:

I remember the first time I tried the A-10 Cuba demo, it was sooo smoooth...

I loved that game. That and Flying Nightmares kept me happy for a long time.

# ? Jan 22, 2011 02:19

Ola: Jul 19, 2004

F-19 was my first flight sim. I think I have enough hours in this to qualify for the real thing, had it existed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mErEdWCSZtY

TFX was kind of fun too, but there was one mega mission I could never finish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfwgMhkYG4Q

I remember having F-14 Fleet Defender but can't remember ever getting the hang of anything in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwGWldIYHbo

DIs Tornado was brilliant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT5VaA81fjI

This list could get pretty long, so will end it here but not without a mention of SWOTL:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eosVhMLr1A

# ? Jan 22, 2011 16:53

3 Action Economist: May 22, 2002; Educate. Agitate. Liberate.

The remake of SWOTL was very disappointing, but it had a big game to live up to, I suppose.

# ? Jan 22, 2011 17:25

Humbug Scoolbus: Apr 25, 2008; The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.; Clapping Larry

Surviving while flying a Komet let alone actually shooting anything down was a feat worthy of the gods.

# ? Jan 22, 2011 22:16

Q_res: Oct 29, 2005; We're fucking built for this shit!

Ola posted:

I remember having F-14 Fleet Defender but can't remember ever getting the hang of anything in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwGWldIYHbo

This was my first flight sim. My uncle had it on an old 486, started off watching him play it. I never could get carrier landings down. I'd kill for a modern, dedicated F-14 simulator. It was my favorite plane even before I saw Top Gun.

# ? Jan 23, 2011 03:20

LOO: Mar 5, 2004

# ? Jan 23, 2011 10:01

Ola: Jul 19, 2004

I can't believe how much time I spent playing Aces of the Pacific. Grinding out mission after mission, all of them exactly the same, in the hope that I'd soon move to a new phase or get a medal or whatever.

Does anyone remember a Harrier sim which had a pretty good campaign? I remember it being cutting edge graphics wise in its day, but only played the demo that came with a UK magazine. It could be that it had a poo poo campaign, but I seem to recall that was one of its selling points - Falklands I think.

# ? Jan 23, 2011 14:14

dayman: Mar 12, 2009; Is it a yes, or...

Not sure if this is appropriate but I stumbled upon this when looking for posters for my new apartment. Needless to say they are cool as gently caress and I figured this crowd would get the most kick out of them. Too bad they're so pricey.

http://www.etsy.com/shop/mediagraffitistudio/search?search_query=WWII&search_type=user_shop_ttt_id_5958570&shopname=mediagraffitistudio

edit: Bought these two yesterday:

dayman fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Jan 23, 2011

# ? Jan 23, 2011 14:58

Manny: Jun 15, 2001; Like fruitcake!

That's a funny looking radial-powered spitfire they have :colbert:

# ? Jan 23, 2011 15:10

dayman: Mar 12, 2009; Is it a yes, or...

It's pop-art, not a schematic. Besides the brown streak above the prop could easily be the exhaust bank.

# ? Jan 23, 2011 16:34

Nebakenezzer: Sep 13, 2005; The Mote in God's Eye

I played a metric ton of F117A back in the day, which was not especially realistic but was fun as hell.

# ? Jan 23, 2011 18:39

co199: Oct 28, 2009; I AM A LOUSY FUCKING COMPUTER JANITOR WHO DOES NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CYBER COMPUTER HACKER SHIT.

PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN TO MY FUCKING AWFUL OPINIONS AS I HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.