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IRQ posted:I'm almost 20% through and it still feels like prologue and world building. Are you reading or listening? Reading was pretty great, listening killed me before I got through the prologue.
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Reading, I can't do long fiction as audiobooks. What really kills me is that he was building up those two characters and then boom they're gone here's some boring princes in HALO suits hunting that big bug from Starship Troopers. I'm sure it gets better, I just wasn't expecting this.
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Jan 28, 2011 17:19
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It took me over half the book to get to the point where I minded having to do something else while reading.
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Jan 29, 2011 01:39
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I had that problem too while I was reading it. It was about 60 or 70 percent of the way through that I got fully invested in the characters. I was always slightly annoyed when he would change charcter POVs, but the chapters would be interesting enough that I'd be involved again pretty quickly. I 'only' liked the book as I was reading it. It wasn't until I finished it that I realized I'd read a great book and loved it.
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Jan 29, 2011 02:29
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Superstring posted:I had that problem too while I was reading it. It was about 60 or 70 percent of the way through that I got fully invested in the characters. I was always slightly annoyed when he would change charcter POVs, but the chapters would be interesting enough that I'd be involved again pretty quickly. It's odd, it was a similar situation for me during the Mistborn trilogy. I liked the first book all the way through, but the second and third books weren't terribly compelling until I finished the whole series. The story, taken as a whole, was great, but before I reached the end I wasn't exactly enthralled. It was a very strange feeling after all was said and done.
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Jan 29, 2011 02:37
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Just finished the Mistborn books ( at the ending of Hero) and got sent here from the Bad Thread. I grabbed a copy of Way of Kings a while ago, and I'll be reading it after I finish House of Leaves. After what he did with just a trilogy, I'm psyched for the kinds of things he can set up with a ten-book series.
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Jan 29, 2011 02:41
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Che Delilas posted:It's odd, it was a similar situation for me during the Mistborn trilogy. I liked the first book all the way through, but the second and third books weren't terribly compelling until I finished the whole series. The story, taken as a whole, was great, but before I reached the end I wasn't exactly enthralled. It was a very strange feeling after all was said and done. Someone else said it on the boards recently (don't remember where, all of the fantasy threads bleed together) but I felt like the first Mistborn book did itself a disservice by being such a complete story that reading books two and three felt unnecessary. I went onto Sanderson's commentaries and read about books 2/3 rather than reading them flat out, and I don't feel that I missed out.. It was more of a feeling of 'oh he did that? that's cool i guess', but nothing more. I'm considering reading some of his other stuff since I've only read the first Mistborn but after my crack at the second Mistborn I'm not sure which books would hold my interest.
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Jan 29, 2011 03:38
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Rootbeer Baron posted:Someone else said it on the boards recently (don't remember where, all of the fantasy threads bleed together) but I felt like the first Mistborn book did itself a disservice by being such a complete story that reading books two and three felt unnecessary. I went onto Sanderson's commentaries and read about books 2/3 rather than reading them flat out, and I don't feel that I missed out.. It was more of a feeling of 'oh he did that? that's cool i guess', but nothing more. I'm considering reading some of his other stuff since I've only read the first Mistborn but after my crack at the second Mistborn I'm not sure which books would hold my interest. Try Warbreaker. It's self-contained, pretty well-written, and, best of all, you can read the whole thing for free. Sanderson's got a PDF of it posted on his site in the Warbreaker section.
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Jan 29, 2011 06:12
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Kreeblah posted:Try Warbreaker. It's self-contained, pretty well-written, and, best of all, you can read the whole thing for free. Sanderson's got a PDF of it posted on his site in the Warbreaker section. I did this, and I used Calibre to convert it to Kindle format.
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Jan 29, 2011 06:46
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Rootbeer Baron posted:Someone else said it on the boards recently (don't remember where, all of the fantasy threads bleed together) but I felt like the first Mistborn book did itself a disservice by being such a complete story that reading books two and three felt unnecessary. I went onto Sanderson's commentaries and read about books 2/3 rather than reading them flat out, and I don't feel that I missed out.. It was more of a feeling of 'oh he did that? that's cool i guess', but nothing more. I'm considering reading some of his other stuff since I've only read the first Mistborn but after my crack at the second Mistborn I'm not sure which books would hold my interest. I found the way it all came together at the end pretty remarkable. The mystery is revealed so gradually that you never feel as if any progress is being made, but then you hit the end and everything comes rushing back into your conscious mind. Never before have I been so indifferent during the reading of a series while being so satisfied at its conclusion. I think you've probably missed the full effect by not reading it through, but I don't really blame you for not wanting to. I'll recommend Warbreaker too. Sanderson's fondness for tying every tiny little event together at the end in one big explosion of epiphany is much easier to deal with in a one-volume story like this. I do hope he refines his 2nd-act pacing a bit for Stormlight Archives.
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Jan 29, 2011 07:43
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Che Delilas posted:I found the way it all came together at the end pretty remarkable. The mystery is revealed so gradually that you never feel as if any progress is being made, but then you hit the end and everything comes rushing back into your conscious mind. Never before have I been so indifferent during the reading of a series while being so satisfied at its conclusion. I think you've probably missed the full effect by not reading it through, but I don't really blame you for not wanting to. He definitely realizes that the "Sanderson Avalanche" is a problem and is working on it. I have seen words to that effect somewhere, though I can't for the life of me remember exactly where.
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NinjaDebugger posted:He definitely realizes that the "Sanderson Avalanche" is a problem and is working on it. I have seen words to that effect somewhere, though I can't for the life of me remember exactly where. It's somewhere in the annotations. To be honest, almost all of the 'drag' is in the second book. The third is much faster-paced. The second book has a lot of exposition and convoluted politiking for most of the middle half.
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Jan 29, 2011 17:40
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ConfusedUs posted:It's somewhere in the annotations. Ah, I never did get around to reading his Mistborn trilogy annotations, I should do that sometime. It's good to hear he is aware of the problem. Jim Butcher posted/blogged about this kind of thing actually, but he calls it the "Great Swampy Middle," referring to the second act of a story and how a writer can easily get bogged down and have trouble keeping momentum. "Sanderson Avalanche" made me grin though.
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Jan 29, 2011 22:33
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IRQ posted:Reading, I can't do long fiction as audiobooks. It's actually kinda cool because, wiht the exception of Shallan, who I still don't get the reasoning behind the transitions to her storyline, you meet all of the other characters as the story gets to where they are. You meet Kal. Get a little story with him. He gets to the war camp, and THEN you meet Dalinar and Sadeas and Dalinar's son.
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Jan 29, 2011 23:32
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Thinking about it, the best way I can praise Sanderson's tWOK is by saying I almost want him to finish the second book before A Memory of Light. Like 60/40 divided on it.
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Jan 29, 2011 23:51
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Dickeye posted:It's actually kinda cool because, wiht the exception of Shallan, who I still don't get the reasoning behind the transitions to her storyline, you meet all of the other characters as the story gets to where they are. Democratic Pirate posted:Thinking about it, the best way I can praise Sanderson's tWOK is by saying I almost want him to finish the second book before A Memory of Light. Like 60/40 divided on it.
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Jan 30, 2011 00:34
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Che Delilas posted:I'm interested to see where it goes, but I'm far more eager to close out the WoT, it's been such a long time coming.
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Jan 30, 2011 04:02
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Shallan is not going to pay off until later books. Agreed. Can't wait for AMoL, but tWoK was so good that I'm not sure which I would rather see first.
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Jan 30, 2011 15:54
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AMoL, because then you'll finally know how it ends after waiting 20 years.
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Jan 30, 2011 22:59
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Ika posted:AMoL, because then you'll finally know how it ends after waiting 20 years. some of us only started 10 years ago  The more brandon the better, I feel like there's a ton of really great fantasy out right now from several different authors.
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Jan 31, 2011 02:55
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treeboy posted:some of us only started 10 years ago Some of us only started 1 year ago
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Jan 31, 2011 03:05
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Mahlertov Cocktail posted:Some of us only started 1 year ago You read all 13 books or whatever in a year? Holy poo poo.
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Jan 31, 2011 03:08
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IRQ posted:You read all 13 books or whatever in a year? For what it's worth my last re-read (when I bought all the books on Kindle) only took about 10 weeks, inbetween classes and work.
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Jan 31, 2011 03:16
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I started reading right as The Fires of Heaven was released. I read the first four in a matter of weeks from the library. Then for some reason I thought TFOH was the final book so I actually bought it. That was over 17 years ago. Haha FML. So yeah, some closure would be nice.
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Jan 31, 2011 04:21
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arioch posted:For what it's worth my last re-read (when I bought all the books on Kindle) only took about 10 weeks, inbetween classes and work. I got through the first 8 books in two weeks the first time I read them, I was on summer vacation though.
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Jan 31, 2011 06:31
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IRQ posted:You read all 13 books or whatever in a year? Nonononono haha. I finished book 7 this month. I read that one in four days, but that's because it was a library book and I had to go back to school so I read like a madman. It would be pretty difficult for me to read all of them in one year, especially since I often want to take a break and read other books.
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Jan 31, 2011 06:36
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treeboy posted:some of us only started 10 years ago I remember my dad joking about how RJ would die before the series was finished over 10 years ago...  I reread the series in the 4 months before TofM arrived, but I'm a fast reader and usually read at least 1-2 hours / day
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Jan 31, 2011 20:03
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Yeah, on my last re-read it took me about 2 or 3 months. The first 6 flew by in 3-5 days, 7-10 took over a week each. And the Sanderson books took all of a day.
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Jan 31, 2011 21:09
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I read ToM in one day, even though I stayed up way too late doing so. My train of thought was "okay once I get two boring chapters in a row I'll stop." Then I hit the chapters that were a line of     and couldn't put it down.
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Feb 1, 2011 06:13
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So what are the chances of Kaladin eventually absorbing all the Stormlight and becoming a replacement shard god to fight Odium? I'm thinking 80%.
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Saradiart posted:So what are the chances of Kaladin eventually absorbing all the Stormlight and becoming a replacement shard god to fight Odium? Well considering the ending of the Mistborn trilogy I'd have to agree with you on that
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Skavoovee posted:Well considering the ending of the Mistborn trilogy I'd have to agree with you on that Given that they all take place in the same universe, it would make pretty much perfect sense for that to happen at some point.
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Feb 3, 2011 20:28
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On the other hand, he could easily turn out to be one of the characters who dies early in the series, inspiring other characters to some kind of action.
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Che Delilas posted:On the other hand, he could easily turn out to be one of the characters who dies early in the series, inspiring other characters to some kind of action. This seems likely. He does seem like a Kelsier-type character
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Dramatika posted:This seems likely. He does seem like a Kelsier-type character Ohhh yeah, that'd be a bummer I'm hoping that Vin, Kelsier, Elend and Sazed make an appearance in later Mistborn books. Unless I remember incorrectly I believe Sazed saying he was going to let Vin and Elend rest for a while? Implication (hopefully) being that they'd be back to kick rear end and take names later on
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Feb 3, 2011 22:03
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Skavoovee posted:Ohhh yeah, that'd be a bummer The other Mistborn trilogies will be taking place way further along in the history of the world, so probably not.
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I would be shocked if the ending to Way of Kings is anyone absorbing all the stormlight. I mean, even if it's the same universe, using the same plot device twice isn't just hokey, it's boring. It's not going to happen.
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Skavoovee posted:Ohhh yeah, that'd be a bummer I hope not. Having characters come back from the dead is one of the quickest ways to cheapen a story and remove the tension from the other stories you write. In most cases, anyway.
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I think Sanderson flat out said in some annotations somewhere that they aren't coming back. At least, Vin, Elend and Kelsier aren't. He *has* said that it's possible for Sazed, Marsh or TenSoon to appear in later books, but I am fairly sure he outright specifically said that Vin, Elend and Kelsier won't be back.
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