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Skinty McEdger posted:While on the subject of judges, which officals are the ones that MMA fans groan the world over when they hear they are scoring the fight? I know the name Cecil Peoples only through his bad reputation, are there any others and do MMA judges deserve their terrible reputation? Adelaide Byrd is the worst judge in boxing and mma, bar none. Cecil Peoples actually judges fights pretty well when they stay standing the whole time; as soon as a fight hits the ground though he starts to flip a coin or judge on who has the nicest hair or something.
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niethan posted:How are such details known? Are they from background sources or speculation or what? Was Tank at least fired directly after the incident? Meltzer is the only wrestling journalist who people respect. His word isn't what it used to be but back in the 90s-early 2000s, people would go out of their way to keep Meltzer informed. Most of WCW's horrendous mishaps can be found in This thread on DVDR: http://board.deathvalleydriver.com/index.php?showtopic=294 Including such gems as: quote:"Dustin Runnels was at Starrcade, being called by management to return. Runnels is reportedly being paid $750,000 per year but the company isn't using him. When he got there, the company told him they had no plans for him, and he went back home." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: December 25, 2000. And no, Tank wasn't fired.
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Feb 2, 2011 23:41
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Slaapaav posted:Japanese people are also pretty bad. The rule of thumb is if a foreigner and a Japanese fighter are fighting in Japan and it goes to a decision it will more than likely go to the Japanese fighter. If it's a Korean vs a Japanese well, good luck to you sir.
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Feb 2, 2011 23:43
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niethan posted:How are such details known? Are they from background sources or speculation or what? Was Tank at least fired directly after the incident? I poo poo you not, he later went on to feud with a boy band until they finally fired him.
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niethan posted:How are such details known? Are they from background sources or speculation or what? Was Tank at least fired directly after the incident? WCW at the time was full of politicians who ran to Meltzer to tell any horror story they experienced backstage in order to try and get other people fired so they could improve their spot. Since the WWE became the only game in town, a lot of unemployed wrestlers have done shoot videos where they tell all in exchange for enough money to pay the rent or buy crack for the next month. Tank's told the story himself in his shoot video. As far as I recall he was unpunished for that, and actually got his biggest push in the company soon after when he was the male groupie for a wrestling boy band.
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Skinty McEdger posted:While on the subject of judges, which officals are the ones that MMA fans groan the world over when they hear they are scoring the fight? Since you said officials this guy came immediately to mind.  Nobuaki Kakuda, affectionately known as Kakuda-san is an insufferable cheating oval office. In a sea of insufferable cheats. He is the most "experienced" and veteran of the K1 Referee's and is constantly the main ref in big title fights. He is infamous for his horribly inconsistent application of the rules. He changes expectations about what is acceptable in the clinch, he arbitrarily waves off legitimate knockdowns, or awards them. He's been known to brag about the impact he's had on fights he has been officiating.  Apparently this doesn't count as a knockdown because... well because gently caress it. He was such a gigantic cheating oval office that K1 themselves we're forced to ban him briefly as punishment. When the fighting organization that is infamous for cheating whenever its convenient thinks you've crossed the line. You've got a real loving problem. I pretty much cringe whenever he is in the ring. I've lost count of how many times he has dramatically decreased the quality of fights, or flat our ruined them. gently caress Kakuda right to death. Skinty McEdger posted:While on the subject of judges, which officals are the ones that MMA fans groan the world over when they hear they are scoring the fight? The problem is two fold really. Firstly yes, there are a great deal of officials who are not as familiar with the sport as they should be particularly when it comes to fighting on the ground. This causes some poor decisions on occasions where a fighter has been dominant, or the far better performer, in what is typically not the most dominant of positions. For example a grappler who wants to go to the ground and pulls guard, and spends a whole round threatening a submission, might lose to the guy on top throwing a few punches from the dominant position. The biggest problem though lies with the 10 point must system borrowed from boxing. Judges are incredibly hesitant to give rounds other than 10-9's and without clear "knockdowns" for them to score, there is no way to reward extremely dominant rounds for the clearly superior fighter. Combined with the fact that, there are only 3, and at most 5 rounds and you've got a big problem. Its a terrible system and has far more to do with the slew of terrible decisions than judges themselves do. Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Feb 2, 2011 |
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Feb 2, 2011 23:44
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Skinty McEdger posted:While on the subject of judges, which officals are the ones that MMA fans groan the world over when they hear they are scoring the fight? I know the name Cecil Peoples only through his bad reputation, are there any others and do MMA judges deserve their terrible reputation? They're all pretty bad. The state athletic commissions tend to appoint boxing judges for MMA events and from what anyone can tell, they get little or no training on what is actually happening in these fights. Someone like Cecil Peoples is not that bad at scoring fights on the feet, when there aren't that many leg kicks but are lost when it goes to the ground. Adalaide Byrd is just lost in general. Some of them decide to publicly change their mind on a fight after it happens, which just makes them look even more inept. There's also pressure from a certain athletic commission to not score draw rounds, which screws things up even more. MysteryNad fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Feb 2, 2011 |
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Feb 2, 2011 23:47
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Coitus_Interruptus posted:
Fun Fact: Nobuaki is actually Japanese for "Hebner"
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Feb 2, 2011 23:49
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fatherdog posted:Fun Fact: Nobuaki is actually Japanese for "Hebner" Nobuaki screwed Alistair?
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Feb 2, 2011 23:51
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Kakuda was an integral part of the Bob Sapp farce. The best Kakuda protectee was Hiroya, because his intense corruption was giving a child brain damage.
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Feb 2, 2011 23:53
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projecthalaxy posted:Nobuaki screwed Alistair? It should have been 10-9 Alistair, 10-8 Alistair, 10-8 Remy. It was 10 all 10 all 10-8 Remy If Kakuda had scored the knockdown it would have been 10-10 10-8 10-8 (extension round) So both he and the judges. The judges first robbed Alistair, giving "draw" rounds to rounds he clearly won. When Alistair scored a knockdown, which would have forced the judges to give an extension round, Kakuda waved it away. It was basically a team effort. Its important to remember that at the time, Alistair had knocked our Badr Hari and K1 and FEG where still promoting the idea that Alistair was the big evil, MMA outsider coming in to sully the pride and honor of K1 and that Remy alone could defend it. Now they love him. Pretty wild. Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Feb 2, 2011 |
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Feb 2, 2011 23:54
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Oh Em Gee posted:in UFC 1 it was literally no rules, no time limit and it made for very...very boring fighting.
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Feb 3, 2011 00:04
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MysteryNad posted:Some of them decide to publicly change their mind on a fight after it happens, which just makes them look even more inept
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Feb 3, 2011 00:11
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2 fat 4 my lambo posted:the only time i remember this happening recently is with Nelson Hamilton rescoring the Shogun-Machida fight, and his argument - that having no TV feed caused him to miss some of the action - is a legit one Even so, this decision gets a lot of flac because of Peoples, and also because Hamilton later went on to say that upon viewing the fight again he thought Shogun won, but at the end of the night the decision wasn't split, all three scored it 48-47 in favor of Machida, this is one of the few where a judge gets blamed for being lovely when all three had the same margin of victory, I've never understood this great coniption over this fight.
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Feb 3, 2011 00:15
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Because Shogun looked the more impressive and dominant fighter. Its an example of the kind of aberrations the 10 point must system produces. Machida won three incredibly close rounds, and individually you can't complain about that, but Shogun was the more impressive fighter in the rounds that he won and emotionally people want him to win, so they concoct justifications for it and get butt-hurt. Machida won, I even thought so, but people don't think he deserved it as much.
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Feb 3, 2011 00:18
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The bigger problem is that as soon as you get out of Vegas, Jersey, or California, the number of TERRIBLE judges and referees increases exponentially. Bad standups when a fighter is in dominant position, stopping fights way too late, and bad decisions are the standard once you get into places like Texas. And this is to say nothing of events that go on outside the United States - the most visible example being that one card Hermes Franca fought in Costa Rica where the judges scored the fight for him, the ref was about to raise his hand, but then the promoter decided to give the win to Ferrid Kheder instead because they paid for his sponsorship and training.
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Feb 3, 2011 00:20
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us Texans dont want any of that human being Hugging poo poo so standups are pretty frequent
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Feb 3, 2011 00:23
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Big Bob Pataki posted:us Texans dont want any of that human being Hugging poo poo so standups are pretty frequent Texas judges and refs are lovely in boxing too, though
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Feb 3, 2011 00:29
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whatever it takes to get the white man's hand raised
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Feb 3, 2011 00:31
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Lets just agree, the only thing Texans are good at is pretending they know "authentic" Mexican food because they live kind of close and once had a Chimichanga.
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Feb 3, 2011 00:31
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fatherdog posted:Texas judges and refs are lovely in boxing too, though Do... do they make them lay down?
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Feb 3, 2011 00:33
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Anyone have a .gif of (Nate?) Diaz landing a gogoplata?
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Feb 3, 2011 00:33
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Giovanni Qobras posted:no, that's the video of thonglor and the possum 
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Feb 3, 2011 00:35
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Nick Diaz, vs. Takanori Gomi. I can't find a gif but here's Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR9gpJJ2qTQ
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Coitus_Interruptus posted:It should have been Wrestlehut, don't trust a man with Overeem avatar.
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Feb 3, 2011 00:36
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Paul Pot posted:Wrestlehut, don't trust a man with Overeem avatar. If K-1 is gonna decide that knockdown vs Remy didn't count because he was kicking at the time, then Buakaw should have another win vs Masato and another win vs Kraus.
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Feb 3, 2011 00:37
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fatherdog posted:If K-1 is gonna decide that knockdown vs Remy didn't count because he was kicking at the time, then Buakaw should have another win vs Masato and another win vs Kraus. Word, you might not think its a knockdown, and thats fine. The issue there is that Kakuda, and the rest of the K1 Refs regularly reward knockdowns for exactly the same kind of blows on a regular basis. Even if the knockdown didn't count. It should have been 10-9 the first two rounds for Alistair, taking the fight to extended rounds.
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Feb 3, 2011 00:41
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Reminder that Texas has no athletic commission, just a "Department of Licensing and Regulation" that also does things like inspect elevators, license tow-trucks and determine who can drill wells. Not oil wells, though, for that you have to go to the Railroad Commission 
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Thermos H Christ posted:Reminder that Texas has no athletic commission, just a "Department of Licensing and Regulation" that also does things ranging from inspecting elevators and approving well-drilling. Not oil wells, though, for that you have to go to the Railroad Commission Reminder that Texas flies in referee Jon Schorle, a referee so bad that he let Victor Burgos get beaten so horribly that he had to be put into a medically induced coma, tried to strangle a fan who was heckling him for being a bad referee, and was the intrepid mouthpiece loving referee for Olaf/Razor Rob. Also he scored Melendez/Guida, a fight Guida lost 50-45, for Guida.
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Feb 3, 2011 00:48
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Coitus_Interruptus posted:Since you said officials this guy came immediately to mind. Video example : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooLJsqkWI9k
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Feb 3, 2011 00:51
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Who is Joe Silva and what does he do? What do most of you guys think of the articles/list about MMA matches and fighters from Seanbaby on Cracked?
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KungFu Grip posted:Who is Joe Silva and what does he do? He's the matchmaker. He chooses who fights who. quote:What do most of you guys think of the articles/list about MMA matches and fighters from Seanbaby on Cracked? Much like Mayhem Miller occasionally there will be a thing that will get a chuckle, but most of the time you just shake your head.
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henkman posted:He's the matchmaker. He chooses who fights who. To add: Sean Shelby will continue to be matchmaker for the 135 and 145 divisions, as the addition of the WEC fighters increased the number of fighters on the UFC roster.
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Feb 3, 2011 00:57
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Kakuda trivia: He used to hold the world record for breaking baseball bats with kicks, this is a record that is actually in the Guinness book of records. His record was broken by Mark Coleman victim Moti Horenstein. He nearly lost a fight to josondo pioneer, convicted rapist and movie star Joe Son. He is the only person in history to make Joe Son look like a fighter.
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Feb 3, 2011 00:59
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savinhill posted:Does Peter Welch still work in UFC, and if so, does he have a prominent position? Unless we're talking about a different dude, Peter Welch's only current association with the UFC is that he's Kenny Florian's (and now also Brock Lesnar's) boxing coach.
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Reminder: Kakuda also beat Joe Son. 
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KungFu Grip posted:What do most of you guys think of the articles/list about MMA matches and fighters from Seanbaby on Cracked? Trash. There is a great deal to make fun of int he world of MMA, and we do it frequently but Seanbaby especially chooses the most idiotic hyperbolic, 8 year old ways of making fun of the sport. Its not very funny to me.
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