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Dragging Iron Feet posted:gently caress Santino. That's what Beth Phoenix, Maria and Tamina have all said.
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Feb 12, 2011 08:43
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What's the latest on Matt Capotelli's condition? Someone just posted he and John Hennigan's match in the youtube thread. He could have been great right now. 
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Feb 12, 2011 13:57
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Wheresmy5bucks posted:I thought when the Radicals first came to WWF, they were suppose to pin the New Age Outlaws in a series of matches to get a contract. Eddie broke his arm, and told Road Dogg I believe to pin him, and the NAO won the match. That's how they booked it. Benoit was never supposed to beat Triple H. They were WCW guys so in Vince's mind they had to look worse than WWF guys. George Kaplan posted:What's the latest on Matt Capotelli's condition? He's in remission I think but will never return to wrestling.
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Feb 12, 2011 15:14
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Gaz-L posted:It's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy. He's not that good, so keep him in short comedy squashes. Which means he only gets good at that. So you can't give him a TV match which is serious. And so he doesn't get house show matches which are serious to improve in. So he sucks and you can only use him for comedy squashes... This reminds me of the 2009 Rumble. Santino was a heel at the time, but when he came out, he got one of the biggest cheers of the night. Then, he got eliminated in 1 second, which got the biggest cheer of the night. In conclusion, Santino is great.
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Feb 12, 2011 15:35
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What?! Santino was heel? How the hell do you turn Santino heel? That's like turning Eugene heel.
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Feb 12, 2011 16:23
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Santino is over like how 2 Cool was back when. Not exactly head liners, but everyone wanted to see them do *something*.
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Feb 12, 2011 16:23
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Sue Denim posted:What?! Because he wasn't originally a comedy character. Turning into a Heel Comedy Character actually saved his career.
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Feb 12, 2011 16:25
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I liked the Santino who would accidentally insult the hometown crowd or a babyface wrestler in hilarious ways, and you couldn't be sure whether you were supposed to think he was doing it on purpose or genuinely had the best intentions.
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Feb 12, 2011 17:07
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Why was the Repo Man a heel? People usually get angry at others for buying poo poo they can't afford. Not to mention, Operation Repo is a very popular show.
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Feb 12, 2011 19:55
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budreck posted:Why was the Repo Man a heel? You know those Rent-A-Center ads? Those appeal to the demos that watch wrestling. People like that hate Repo Men.
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Feb 12, 2011 20:00
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budreck posted:Why was the Repo Man a heel? Why was Duke Droese a face? Why was TL Hopper a heel? Why was Sparky Plugg a face? Because the WWF said they were. That's the answer.
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Feb 12, 2011 20:03
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The demographics part makes sense. I looked up Duke Droese and TL Hopper. Garbage man face makes sense, I don't know of anyone who hates garbage men. Plumbers could be either. They have a reputation of being fat and revealing rear end cracks so that works. Nascar is huge, why wouldn't a driver be a babyface?
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Feb 12, 2011 20:11
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budreck posted:The demographics part makes sense. Bob Holly, that's why.
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Feb 12, 2011 20:34
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budreck posted:The demographics part makes sense. The problem is that those are just characters without any real development or backstory. Occupation wrestlers are the easiest to create but usually the worst once they debut because they are so one dimensional. Here's an example of a good one and a bad one - The Big Boss Man was not just a prison guard who became a wrestler, he was a guard at the Cobb County Jail and got fired for beating the crap out of the prisoners. He says that he stands up for law and order, but it really is just his skewed version of law and order. He's got a chip on his shoulder and takes that out on his opponents in the ring. Even though he isn't a guard anymore, he still wears his uniform and carries a night stick and uses it before, during and after matches if he wants to. "Sparky" Thurman Plugg is still a racecar driver who also wants to compete in the wrestling ring. He likes to race, and he likes the put the pedal to the medal, so watch out WWF! Do you see the difference? Do you see why one is a natural heel character and one is just a character?
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Feb 12, 2011 20:35
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Feb 12, 2011 20:38
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Magic_Ceiling_Fan posted:Where does Nailz come in? So Ted DiBiase was feuding with Jake Roberts and at one point, Jake stole the Million Dollar Belt and put it in the bag with his snake. During a match between the two, DiBiase paid Slick (Boss Man's manager) to have Boss Man interfere and get the bag back. When Boss Man realized that this was a payoff and he was not just retrieving stolen property, he turned face. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsK_EJuE_a4 Later on, a former prisoner under Boss Man's watch, Nailz, debuted. Nailz claimed that he was innocent of what he was convicted of and that the Boss Man was one of the prisoners that got the crap beaten out of him and now he wanted revenge on not only the Boss Man but also society. As a character in 1992, Nailz was pretty 1-dimensional. I think a similar character could be pretty interesting today as the Innocent Man with Heel Tendencies.
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budreck posted:Why was the Repo Man a heel? By possessions I mean their mobile home, bargain bin pornography and a half empty case of bud weiser.
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Feb 12, 2011 20:55
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If Jake stole the belt then why wasn't it retrieving stolen property to get it back?
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Feb 12, 2011 21:04
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Captain Charisma posted:If Jake stole the belt then why wasn't it retrieving stolen property to get it back? It was, but like I said earlier, the Boss Man had a weird set of values. If it was to just receive stolen property, he would have been ok with that. The fact that it was part of a payoff (the Slick received, not the Boss Man) was disrespectful to the Boss Man.
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Feb 12, 2011 21:09
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How are these guys supposed to make ends meet if they're only wrestlers? They had to have second jobs to support their families.
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Feb 12, 2011 21:18
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Yeah, the premise was that Bossman didn't want to be a cop on the take or something but then he says he's not a thief and walks away with Ted's belt.
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Feb 12, 2011 21:24
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Sugar Blaster posted:Yeah, the premise was that Bossman didn't want to be a cop on the take or something but then he says he's not a thief and walks away with Ted's belt. No, he gave it back to Jake. Watch the video I posted earlier.
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Feb 12, 2011 21:27
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FishBulb posted:I know two other people already said something but there was a reason WCW won the ratings war when they did. It wasn't all poo poo. I mean there was some poo poo but there was a ton of good stuff. Just because WWF survived and you are a fanboy now doesn't mean everything back then was terrible. It's comical that you think this is one of the reasons they WCW was winning the ratings war. Because.. Nitro's rating the night after Bash at the Beach 98: 4.5 (.3 less than the previous week) Raw's rating the night after Bash at the Beach 98: 4.7 (.7 higher than the previous week) Big surprise that one of the worst matches of all time did not result in any new wrestling fans. I know I'm shocked. Non-wrestling fans who tuned in because of Malone and Rodman probably thought what they were watching was a joke and didn't watch another show. It did absolutely nothing to stop WCW's slide and WWF's momentum. Mike Tyson at WM14, this wasn't. WCW didn't need to pay celebrities millions of dollars to be in a main event to generate a big buyrate. If only a little common sense was used, a hyped Hogan vs Goldberg PPV main event could have drawn just as big of a buyrate and with more long term gain. And by more, i mean any long term gain. Getting a big buyrate from Malone and Rodman also led to the Leno debacle which was kind of the beginning of the end.
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Rusty Shackelford posted:No, he gave it back to Jake. Watch the video I posted earlier. But it's already stolen property he's giving it back to the thief  I guess you just have to treat the 80s as if the wrestlers all had minds of children Funny part about the video is that Bossman gets "angry" about 1-2 seconds too early.
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Feb 12, 2011 21:42
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Also, the music playing throughout the entire segment makes it look like a precursor to some group bang session.
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Feb 12, 2011 21:47
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Sugar Blaster posted:Also, the music playing throughout the entire segment makes it look like a precursor to some group bang session. That was Brother Love's music. I guess a name like that would be involved in a gang bang.
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Feb 12, 2011 21:53
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Brother Love's "I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE YOUUUUUUUUU" was the original "EXCUSE ME!" I remember hating that guy so much when I was a kid.
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Feb 12, 2011 22:54
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maniacripper posted:Everyone marked out for the cobra at the royal rumble. Santino rules I never noticed the ref behind Triple H. He just loses it when Santino comes back into the ring.
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Feb 12, 2011 23:23
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Super Ninja Fish posted:It's comical that you think this is one of the reasons they WCW was winning the ratings war. Because.. This wasn't just a big buyrate. It was the most PPV buys WCW ever did outside of a Starrcade. And the only two Starrcades with more buys are 97 and 98. Their third biggest number of all time. This is the definition of why you use celebrities, to make more money than your wrestlers would on their own. Wrestling isn't about big ratings or more fans, it is translating the most number of people into paying customers. The buyrate from Malone and Rodman had nothing to do with Leno and if you knew anything about how the PPV business works you'd know that. WCW didn't know the buyrate for Bash at the Beach until after Leno's match. If you think Leno wasn't planned well before Bash at the Beach happened you are very naive. Eric Bischoff had a huge celebrity fetish long before Bash at the Beach 98. He used Rodman and Kevin Green long before.
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MassRayPer posted:This wasn't just a big buyrate. It was the most PPV buys WCW ever did outside of a Starrcade. And the only two Starrcades with more buys are 97 and 98. Their third biggest number of all time. This is the definition of why you use celebrities, to make more money than your wrestlers would on their own. Wrestling isn't about big ratings or more fans, it is translating the most number of people into paying customers. Wrestling has always had a strong connection with celebrities anyway. People talk poo poo about celebrity involvement now, but it really is just an extension of "seeing what worked" with the older Wrestlemanias and WCW's stuff. Relatedly, what was the first huge celebrity involvement with wrestling?
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Dissolusion posted:Wrestling has always had a strong connection with celebrities anyway. People talk poo poo about celebrity involvement now, but it really is just an extension of "seeing what worked" with the older Wrestlemanias and WCW's stuff. Relatedly, what was the first huge celebrity involvement with wrestling? Andy Kaufman
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Dissolusion posted:Wrestling has always had a strong connection with celebrities anyway. People talk poo poo about celebrity involvement now, but it really is just an extension of "seeing what worked" with the older Wrestlemanias and WCW's stuff. Relatedly, what was the first huge celebrity involvement with wrestling? The first huge celebrity involvement is tough to say. The first celebrity crossover is probably Jack Johnson who did pro wrestling in France when he was convicted of white slavery (he was black and married a white woman.) I don't think this would count as huge. The first huge Boxer vs. Wrestler match would be Jack Dempsey vs Cowboy Luttrell that drew 12,000 fans in Chicago in 1940. That is a giant crowd the the time. It was a worked boxer vs wrestler boxing match.
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Muhammed Ali also fought Large Japanese Guy (whose name escapes me).
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Von Linus posted:Muhammed Ali also Large Japanese Guy (whose name escapes me). Antonio Inoki
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Von Linus posted:Muhammed Ali also Large Japanese Guy (whose name escapes me). Yokozuna.
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Dissolusion posted:Wrestling has always had a strong connection with celebrities anyway. People talk poo poo about celebrity involvement now, but it really is just an extension of "seeing what worked" with the older Wrestlemanias and WCW's stuff. Relatedly, what was the first huge celebrity involvement with wrestling? Well the problem is that celebrity involvement has been generally terrible for many years. I think the last one that actually was done correctly before Mayweather (As in name celebrity used for PPV buys) was, of all people and of all companies, Tito Ortiz at TNA Hard Justice in 2005.
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Von Linus posted:Muhammed Ali also Large Japanese Guy (whose name escapes me). Godzilla Superman
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There is also a long history of NFL players doing pro wrestling during the off season. Ernie Ladd is probably the most famous as he ended up being a huge star in professional wrestling and ended up doing it full time.
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