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Eyespy posted:Acrylic Gesso. You can get it at most any art store, it comes in black and white, gives no gently caress about humidity and for ~$12 AUD you can undercoat your whole army with one pot. Cheers for that Eyespy, will scoot down on the weekend and see if I can nab some in this dinky town, $12 is much more reasonable. You still stuck in Mackay? or are you one of the lucky ones who escaped.
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Eyespy posted:Acrylic Gesso. You can get it at most any art store, it comes in black and white, gives no gently caress about humidity and for ~$12 AUD you can undercoat your whole army with one pot. This. The spray paints and primers you get from Bunnings and such are alright for a few bucks, but it aint no krylon flat and paint flows wierd on them. If youre on the east coast, seeming as our country is trying to flood us out at the moment, I would definatly go with gesso. Just handle the model carefully until you have the basecoat down as gesso tends to rub off. If you have to go to one of those art stores that only sell pipecleaners and poo poo the gesso will be like 20 bucks, but its still cheaper than 22 bucks when you factor in you get half a liter of the poo poo.
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Killer_Bees! posted:Cheers for that Eyespy, will scoot down on the weekend and see if I can nab some in this dinky town, $12 is much more reasonable. You still stuck in Mackay? or are you one of the lucky ones who escaped. There's no escape from a black hole, that's just elementary physics.
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Killer_Bees! posted:So quick question, I have got back into the hobby after a couple years hiatus and I need to get my hands on a large amount of spraypaint/undercoat. I walk into my local GW reseller and find GW cans at $22 Aus!!! so what do you Aus warhams recommend for undercoat and priming large amounts of models without being gouged by our terrible Australian pricing. I did pick up some sepia wash and devlin mud, god drat this stuff is like magic. My go to primer right now is Fiddly Bits grey primer. At around $3 a can I find it hard to go past. Also, you get the easier coverage that comes with a white undercoat, but if you miss a spot it doesn't matter too much because it isn't as obvious as white. Please don't use gesso, it takes too long to prime and it leaves a chalky residue to the model that is horrible to paint on.
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Feb 16, 2011 15:33
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Personally i use Fiddly Bits flat black and i've had no complaints. That said i'm an average painter at best and i've never used anything else to prime so for all i know it's terrible and switching it for something else could vastly improve my painting.
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Feb 16, 2011 15:47
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Friends don't let friends use gesso.* *Except maybe if you're using it on bases, as it does a good job getting it crevices and seals sand down pretty well.
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Fyrbrand posted:Friends don't let friends use gesso.* I prefer the texture of spray primer, but gesso will totally do in a pinch. It's more useful the more detailing there is, on large smooth surfaces it's horrible.
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Calico Noose posted:Personally i use Fiddly Bits flat black and i've had no complaints. That said i'm an average painter at best and i've never used anything else to prime so for all i know it's terrible and switching it for something else could vastly improve my painting. Fiddly Bits flat black is ok, it goes on a little thick though, but will work. The problem is that it is not a primer. You want a surface for you paint to stick to and a primer is the best way to do this rather than just a spray paint.
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Feb 16, 2011 16:39
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Fyrbrand posted:Friends don't let friends use gesso.* How does it feel to be so terribly wrong?
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Gesso's great for undercoating big terrain pieces, that's about the only concession I'll make for using the stuff. (but then I don't live in a ridiculously humid country and spray undercoating has never ever been a problem, hurrah!)
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Feb 16, 2011 18:21
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Gesso's the only thing I can use out here, but I'm fairly pleasantly surprised by it. It dries perfectly and really is good for sealing basing material down. It's a nightmare to use on some metal models because you'll constantly keep finding little bits you missed as you go along.
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^^^^^^^ You're not actually missing them: you're either rubbing them off or the gesso is shrinking and pulling away from the details.  Eyespy posted:Acrylic Gesso. You can get it at most any art store, it comes in black and white, gives no gently caress about humidity and for ~$12 AUD you can undercoat your whole army with one pot. My... My thunder!  Though your post is a bit more informative to the Australian market, by far.
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For any newcomers who may not be familiar with what we're talking about in regards to gesso, here's a good guide that gives you some idea what to expect when priming with gesso, and below is a before-during-after pic from the same site.  For the most part I tend to prime with gesso almost exclusively; no fuss, just glop it on a figure and wait for it to shrink & dry. No need to worry about inhaling spray primer fumes, no need to have to wait for weather conditions to be just right so the primer doesn't fuzz, and if for some reason you're dissatisfied with how the gesso dried, it's quicker to strip the gesso off the figure than it would be with spray primer. One caveat for US folks: gesso comes in many varieties, but at all costs avoid the tubs of white gesso you can find at places like Walmart. Sure, it's cheap, but it dries like poo poo, with the added bonus of having ammonia in it (probably to help speed the drying process), so it stinks, too.  Your best bet is to hit up an arts & crafts store like Hobby Lobby or Michaels, and look in the area where they sell painting supplies. I seem to recall one goon got some Bob Ross-brand gesso, which had the added bonus of letting them visualize happy little trees. 
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Spray-priming is fine, and I did it for years (and I still will on large projects or big batches of stuff) but gesso is amazing to have on hand. No more worrying about humidity or temperature, and definitely no going outside in the freezing cold to prime stuff. I do my priming at the end of the night when I am tired and losing concentration for real painting; just glob it onto whatever project is next, and it'll be ready the next day to work on.
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Nothing wrong with priming with gesso, the only advice I'd add is that if you're priming metal models, you'll want to mix some water in with the gesso and do a few thin coats. The reason for that is that I've found gesso (perhaps as it gets older) to not suck perfectly into details on metal like it does with plastic.
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Fyrbrand posted:Friends don't let friends use gesso.* I beg to differ . Spray priming 200 guys, then having to go back and get all the spots the spray couldn't reach gets old real fast. Besides I can sit my rear end on the couch and gesso my guys while watching the terrible TV shows my wife likes to watch.
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Oh god so many options, cheers for all the suggestions, I will do a shop this weekend and pick up a bunch of the options and report back on my impeding adventure in north QLD's limited options. I am a sucker for sprays though, I was using GW spray followed up by a rough clean up with a black paint to catch details or missed parts. I have always found sprays look terribly flat if left just on their own and not tidied up.
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Killer_Bees! posted:I am a sucker for sprays though Thin down Gesso 50/50 with water and you can use it in a cheap airbrush to undercoat. You're welcome 
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Having moved to NYC, gesso will truly be a godsend when I start getting back into the hobby, as I can prime indoors and avoid both bad weather and disapproving looks from the neighbors. 
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Oath work! These are hard to photograph. 
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Holy poo poo that's a rad skyboard. You should paint BFG stuff.
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spacegoat posted:Holy poo poo that's a rad skyboard. You should paint BFG stuff. lol, I have 10 of those, and that was the first thing I thought, that the hellions are the cheapest BFG army ever.
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Killer_Bees! posted:Cheers for that Eyespy, will scoot down on the weekend and see if I can nab some in this dinky town, $12 is much more reasonable. You still stuck in Mackay? or are you one of the lucky ones who escaped. Holy poo poo don't buy white gesso, mainly the mont marte one. Ruins models. Big Willy Style posted:My go to primer right now is Fiddly Bits grey primer. At around $3 a can I find it hard to go past. Also, you get the easier coverage that comes with a white undercoat, but if you miss a spot it doesn't matter too much because it isn't as obvious as white. Where would you advise us Ausgoons pick this up?
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theironjef posted:Oath work! These are hard to photograph. How did you get that effect? Was it just stipling? It looks loving awesome. Nice work duder.
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Back when I lived at a dorm, I'd go behind my FLGS to spray prime stuff, leave it in the hallway where I could see it, and read codices and magazines while I waited for it to dry. Then I'd put it in a bag or something and just go back to my dorm. Or I'd prime behind the dumpster at said dorm. It was a lot of time spent spraypainting things behind buildings more or less. Now that I live in a duplex I just prime on my porch and leave stuff drying around the house. Also, those skyboards are awesome. Paint a raider like that and airbrush a wizard or some Star Wars characters on the front of it. Edit: Like this:  
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Feb 17, 2011 05:58
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theironjef posted:
He did.
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SRM posted: E: I'm going to pretend these are photoshopped. Also, needs more Starship Enterprises. 
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!amicable posted:He did. I see no wizard
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SRM posted:I see no wizard That's because he is wearing a cloak of invisibility you cad.
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Actually the star fields are done with a toothbrush first, then basically a crapload of drybrushing for the stellar dust and fine-point detail to select individual stars to either highlight or get rid of. Working on a new sail now that's gonna have some red and purple nebulae, and I'm thinking about throwing in a comet. As for wizards, these are Dark Eldar! They don't go in for that fancy psyker crap. Just glorious golden armor and anime blue hair.  edit.. drat it, I keep forgetting I used the Picard head for that raider. theironjef fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Feb 17, 2011 |
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theironjef posted:Actually the star fields are done with a toothbrush first Whatchoo talkin'bout?
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Fix posted:Whatchoo talkin'bout? I paint my stars on with a toothbrush. Specifically this one:  Basically it's spatter painting.
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Raking.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:Raking. Yep. Wish it was some awesome secret, but I just mix up titanium white with some sunburst yellow and spritz in on. The trick to making it look good is really more about picking stars to get rid of or highlight, and drybrushing on the nebulae and stellar dust.
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I really wish there was a BFG/Firestorm Armada scene here because I really want to do this at some point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nOE6g0G63Q
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I considered doing some planets but at this teensy scale I just don't think they'd come off anywhere near that good. Nebulous non-geometrical stuff is way easier to work on a weensy little curved surface. I'd love to take a crack at putting planets on a nice fat Eldar tank canvas though.
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theironjef posted:Yep. Wish it was some awesome secret, but I just mix up titanium white with some sunburst yellow and spritz in on. The trick to making it look good is really more about picking stars to get rid of or highlight, and drybrushing on the nebulae and stellar dust. Cool, thanks. MasterSlowPoke posted:I really wish there was a BFG/Firestorm Armada scene here because I really want to do this at some point: Mind. Blown. Art cheats are the best cheats. Fix fucked around with this message at 10:11 on Feb 17, 2011 |
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Grandpa Pap posted:
I saw the Bob Ross stuff at Micheals. It was half price, per volume, than the Liqutex stuff I bought. When I find the time, I'm going to buy some Bob Ross white, and pray that it's awesome...
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